The World's Fair

[BHelmet]

It would be far more helpful if you were to look into it and find specific things about it that are not currently explainable.

I have done exactly this in the past and it has gotten either ignored or met with weak counter arguments that basically echo the official narrative. I have seen others raise these same questions in different ways and the results are the same stone wall. (pun intended) There is no real interest in asking these questions here. So I will just drop it.

If something about the place doesn't add up, the history or otherwise, there's always a trace. If you can find the trace, then we'll have something to ask about. Otherwise, there's really no question to ask.

There is no question recognized to be asked because it is not desired for it to be asked. I get it. I am done here with this topic.

It is not worth the energy to continue fighting the current.

However, like A Jay mentioned, structures such as the caves mentioned, pyramids, carved temples and those really old buildings and megalithic formations, that have so many perfections and astronomical aligned designs, and many built with huge stones impossible to move, and things that are really hard to replicate even today, those are the things that would really be interesting to research deeply and get answers to.

Minor correction: Impossible to replicate today...

The real issue is time line manipulation, it's impact on history as evidenced by a lot of the architecture we see today and in photography from the 1800's. All these years and no follow up questions for the C's, that I can recall. There are so many laughable narratives trying to explain things that don't make sense, it is... laughable. Either you don't see it, don't want to see it, or, you are right, it just isn't there. But it seems pretty clear this topic is a dead end here, and has been for quite some time. I thought as much years ago - and nothing has changed. So... why continue? No good reason, really. Case closed.

 

[axj]

The real issue is time line manipulation, it's impact on history as evidenced by a lot of the architecture we see today and in photography from the 1800's. All these years and no follow up questions for the C's, that I can recall.

Evidence of more recent timeline manipulation through time travel may be a good topic for more research, in addition to looking into the more mundane history falsification of the added 400-500 phantom years after the death of Caesar.

The C's were asked about the anomalous World Fair buildings in April 2023, just two years ago (not "all these years"):

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Q: (LQB) The World's Fair expositions in the US in the late 18 hundreds and early 19 hundreds are very anomalous. Did some of these massive structures exist prior to the expositions? Was some form of alternate energy used in their construction? Were these expositions used to program the masses and impose false history?

(L) Now, wait a minute. Let's back up here. These World Fair expositions are very anomalous. Why are they very anomalous? Where's LQB? I wanna understand this. LQB, where are you?

(LQB) They were built in very short periods of time. Very large structures and current contractors don't believe they could ever do that today.

(L) Wow. Okay. Did some of these massive structures exist prior to the expositions?

A: Partly and expanded.

Q: (LQB) Was some form of alternative energy used in their construction?

A: No.

Q: (LQB) Were these expositions used to program the masses and impose false history?

A: Not exactly as the question is composed, but yes, there were nefarious systems involved. This topic could be more carefully analyzed for clues.

Q: (L) Huh. Well, I never heard of that, so I guess we'll have to start a thread on it. Okay...

It sounds like the examples you presented before regarding potential timeline manipulation through time travel were not convincing or could be explained otherwise. If you feel strongly about this topic, you could do more research on it and try to find better evidence to be presented here. This is primarily a research forum, after all.

You could also look at why you make the assumption that the anomalous World Fair buildings had anything to do with time travel type manipulation. There seem to be plenty of other possibilities regarding the World Fairs, ranging from more mundane to the esoteric.

The only thing we know (per the Cs) so far is that sound focusing wave technique to make buildings was lost around 100 b.C

Slight correction, sound wave focusing was widely used until about 1100 BC, according to the C's:

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Q: (irjO) In our timeline, besides the construction of the Coral Castle, when was the last time the "sound focusing wave" technique was regularly used as a building method?

A: 1100 BC

Q: (irjO) Why did we stop using it?

A: Tech lost due to cataclysms. Also genetic component watered down and weakened. It emerges anomalously now and then. Witness: Leedskalnin.

Q: (L) So, there was a genetic component to this tech?

A: Yes

 

[Persej]

Randall Carlson gave an interesting speech about Gothic cathedrals. He thinks that cathedrals were a hardware and literature from that period was a software, or an instruction manual of how to use them.

If we combine that with what the C's have said about genetic component, it seems that whoever would want to use such structures, if possible, would first have to activate the proper genes in themselves.

If we look at the human-cosmic connection, we can see that there were several supernovae in the Middle Ages. And we haven't had close supernovae since the 17th century. The C's said that we should expect the next one. Comets were also present, which perhaps also had an influence on human beings, either directly or through the Sun.

The 19th century was also very interesting from a cosmic perspective. Something was happening in the Solar system that we still haven't figured out what exactly. There were a lot of Solar storms and auroras on Earth. I talked about the possibility that passage through borders between interstellar clouds could have caused such upheaval in the Solar system, but other options are also possible.

 

[stellar]

But somehow the heart of Grand Tartary (always spelt wrong in the west) in Kazan - there's no discussion?

Maybe when they realise it's not referring to raw mince meat and is not a nothing burger.

 

[stellar]

Evidence of more recent timeline manipulation through time travel may be a good topic for more research

No one is mentioning time travel, only timeline manipulation. to distort history time you don't have to time travel.

in addition to looking into the more mundane history falsification of the added 400-500 phantom years after the death of Caesar.

Crickets on that one other than it was done in two periods and the questions and research end there.

The C's were asked about the anomalous World Fair buildings in April 2023, just two years ago (not "all these years"):

Yes, all these years. I've been writing on this topic for five years and others have also.

It sounds like the examples you presented before regarding potential timeline manipulation through time travel were not convincing or could be explained otherwise.

Again with the time travel. What's the hangup with that?
Any explanations presented on this topic were basically suppositions of what may be probable based on inherent mindsets and similarly not convincing. No thinking outside the box.

you could do more research on it and try to find better evidence to be presented here.

Some people are doing that and at the very least are presenting more than reasonable doubt that our recorded history has serious flaws.

This is primarily a research forum, after all.

Does that mean it should be a team effort to find answers?

You could also look at why you make the assumption that the anomalous World Fair buildings had anything to do with time travel type manipulation.

Again, really? Why not just long term psychological agendas for society. Brainwashing.

There seem to be plenty of other possibilities regarding the World Fairs, ranging from more mundane to the esoteric.

What would you say are these plentiful possibilities, mundane or esoteric that would fit into that period?

 

[stellar]

I have done exactly this in the past and it has gotten either ignored or met with weak counter arguments that basically echo the official narrative. I have seen others raise these same questions in different ways and the results are the same stone wall. (pun intended) There is no real interest in asking these questions here. So I will just drop it.

There is no question recognized to be asked because it is not desired for it to be asked. I get it. I am done here with this topic.

It is not worth the energy to continue fighting the current.

Minor correction: Impossible to replicate today...

The real issue is time line manipulation, it's impact on history as evidenced by a lot of the architecture we see today and in photography from the 1800's. All these years and no follow up questions for the C's, that I can recall. There are so many laughable narratives trying to explain things that don't make sense, it is... laughable. Either you don't see it, don't want to see it, or, you are right, it just isn't there. But it seems pretty clear this topic is a dead end here, and has been for quite some time. I thought as much years ago - and nothing has changed. So... why continue? No good reason, really. Case closed.

Ditto

 

[axj]

No one is mentioning time travel, only timeline manipulation. to distort history time you don't have to time travel.

The timeline manipulation we are talking about seems to involve time travel and similar abilities:

What gets too often overlooked in this debate is one of the C's core tenets: time line manipulation. They even said we can't begin to conceive of the ramifications. The notion that a linear time line can be constructed is sheer folly if it is true that insertions, deletions and manipulations can be caused by higher density beings.

The C's also mentioned that timeline manipulation can involve time travel:

August 5, 2000

Q: This Top Secret document and the Anna Hayes material to some extent, both talk about many abductions being "ourselves from the future" who have come back to the past, or what is for us, the present, to abduct their own bodies to make genetic adjustments so that they can advance and not make the mistakes they made in another timeline. Is that, in fact, part of the scenario?

A: Very close to the truth!

Session Date: June 24th 2022

(Ark) Yes. Suppose we can build a time machine. What would be the beneficial uses of such a device?

A: Not many. STS uses tech to control and manipulate, but each use causes negative impact cascades.

Q: (Ark) The logical 'not many' that there may be some beneficial uses. I would like to know examples.

A: Changing trajectories of history on many scales so as to eliminate extreme suffering.

Q: (L) So when you say, "many scales", you mean like in an individual life, in the lives of a family would be another scale, and the life of a town or community, a city, a country, and the planet. Those are different scales?

A: Yes and cosmic as well in rare cases. For example, we are time travelling right now.

Q: (Joe) That suggests that time travelling can be described as being able to communicate with the past or future... but only communication.

(Ark) Does such a machine need a human special operator, or is it just a machine?

A: First option.

Q: (Ark) Is it the case that if this machine would be operated by STS, it would kill the operator?

A: No.

Q: (Ark) Can one prevent somehow STS to misuse or to use such technology?

A: No.

Q: (Pierre) But they already time travel at will, messing up our timeline...

(Ark) But if we can also do this, we can mess up their messing up, no?

A: Intent must be pure STO for best results.

Q: (Chu) But no human is pure STO, so a human shouldn't be the operator.

(L) Well, a human can have a pure intent. They just can't hold it for very long.

(Ark) Next question: Such a device, is it just a technology, or do you need some physics and theory to understand and to operate it?

A: Best results come with knowledge.

Q: (Ark) Is this knowledge some kind of esoteric knowledge, or...

A: No.

Q: (Ark) Does it include mathematics?

A: Yes

Q: (Ark) I'm done. Thank you.

(Barb) I have a question about that. When? When will such a machine be invented?

(Artemis) It already has.

A: That ship has sailed.

(Joe) There are people that have it, but we don't have it.

Q: (Barb) Okay, let me ask that differently. When will the human race have access to that technology?

A: 4D.

Q: (Joe) Here's the problem: In 4D or some other reality there are some that might have that kind of intent or a more pure STO intent who could use it, but like they said at the beginning, the reason that you'd use it would be to change the trajectory of history on many scales so as to eliminate extreme suffering. But then you've got a problem: how are you going to decide that you should eliminate the suffering of people on a planet or anywhere when that suffering might have been necessary? So who's gonna make the decision to stop someone from experiencing something? How much knowledge would you have to have about the broad implications of stopping someone from having an experience? What would that lead to? What are the knock-on effects?

(Chu) And that might be abridging their free will.

(Joe) So, it seems like it's the kind of thing that only an STS manipulative mindset would want to use.

(Andromeda) Unless you had a LOT more knowledge that we don't have right now. You'd have to have an understanding of other people's free will to subject somebody else to that.

(L) Well, it's fascinating. I'd like to be able to go back and tell myself something. And that's what I'm doing here: I'm coming back and telling myself something.

(Joe) But that's a paradox. You might think that if I had a time travel machine, I wouldn't be abridging anybody's free will if I just limited it to talking to myself in the past and telling myself in the past stuff. But the problem is that the person you are today is dependent on all of the experiences that you had in the past. If you messed up...

(L) If you messed up, you messed up for a reason.

(Joe) You in the present talking to yourself in the past wouldn't exist because you'd have changed who you were in the past and therefore who you are now.

(L) That's why they won't tell us some things.

(Joe) It's the time travel paradox.

(L) Can you imagine if that technology was available to human beings and everybody could get access?

(Joe) They'd wreck the place.

(L) There would be chaos.

(Niall) Look what happened when people got the ability to talk to anyone they want to. Social media. The internet. It's MADNESS!

(Ark) You can imagine a completely passive time machine. When you go, and see the past, see the history. You want to go to Jesus' time or whatever. Another thing completely is a different scale to be able to change something without killing yourself.

(Joe) But the next is: Do you need a time machine say in 4D to view past events? Or is that available to you as a function of that reality?

(Ark) But just to travel into the past just to see...

(L) A psychomantium would be a passive time machine.

(Joe) Could someone with a time machine go back and actually be present at a certain point in the past? Embodied?

(Andromeda) Like Bill and Ted?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And then they get stuck there.

(Ark) Is there just one main history that you can view, or there are many alternative histories?

A: Latter.

Q: (Joe) So then the past you've viewed, is that what happened or just a possibility?

(Ark) I mean, how can there be a past that's an alternative to me being born in 1943??

A: You are here now as the result of following specific branching events that manifest as a result of choices.

And even this:

01-22-2000

Q: Is time travel something that is going to be a significant part of our future?

A: Yes, absolutely!!!

As to the falsification of history with the 400-500 added phantom years:

Crickets on that one other than it was done in two periods and the questions and research end there.

Crickets? There is a thread on that topic where people present their research. I have been doing some research on the phantom years as well and recently found what seem to be two 'smoking guns' that we have indeed several hundred years too much (read here and here).

Lately I have been looking into whether historical reports of solar eclipses can be matched to calculated eclipses 400-500 "later" - but those results are mostly inconclusive. There are a few very good matches, but most solar eclipse reports are too vague and can be matched to quite a few solar eclipses in the same area over a few hundred years.

The most astounding find is that some of the most accurately described eclipses (time, location, month and day, total or partial eclipse), including the number of years between two eclipses in the same area, do match up quite perfectly with the current official timeline. But only for European eclipses during the Greek and Roman times. Which suggests that the Greek and Roman eclipse records have been falsified in the first millenium AD when the Vatican had almost complete control over historical records in Europe.

Then I thought that looking at Babylonian, Assyrian or Chinese eclipse records (that the Europeans had no access to in the first millenium) could provide unfalsified information - which does indeed seem to be the case. Some of those eclipse descriptions are specific enough and have good matches about 470-500 years "later".

 

[brandon]

Yeah, to me "timeline manipulation" means altering the actual history (NOT just the records of the history), via time travel, as the C's have talked about. There's another quote which I can't find where they talk about 4D STS continuously jumping back and forth through the last however many of thousands of years (I thought it was the 309,000 figure but the particular quote I was after doesn't come up), changing stuff. So to me the interesting question would be, if the past was altered like that, could there be physical remnants or evidence of the previous past? And could there still be memories some people have, of that previous past? Or, in shifting to a new "timeline" where none of that past happened, would it be fully like it never happened, no possible evidence or memories - so in effect, it may as well never have happened (from the POV of 3D)?

About asking the C's about this stuff, has anyone just written a few *specific* questions, in the actual wording to be asked directly to the C's? (as opposed to long/detailed posts with "work in progress" questions, which may or may not be noticed or read through or catch the interest of Laura or anyone else who attends sessions, who would then have to construct the final questions themselves).. Maybe they have and I didn't see it. If so, point me to it please? :)

 

[axj]

So to me the interesting question would be, if the past was altered like that, could there be physical remnants or evidence of the previous past? And could there still be memories some people have, of that previous past?

These two seem to be good questions to ask.

One example of timeline manipulation (merging of timelines) were Ark's two hats, though in that case I think the C's said that the result of the merging of timelines was actually positive. And in that example, I think Ark had memory of only one timeline before the "merge", as in the timeline where he placed his hat in one place - but no memory of placing the second hat in another.

Though memories of previous timelines do seem to be possible too, eg. some of the deja vu experiences:

January 3rd 2009

(A____) Why do I have so much deja vu?

A: The program is constantly being meddled with at present.

January 4/5, 1997 (Lasted way past midnight!)

A: Deja vu comes to you compliments of 4th density STS.

Q: (L) Is deja vu a result of some sensation of the universe having changed?

A: Or... some sensation of reality bridging.

Q: (T) As you move into the new one, you have leftovers?

A: No.

Q: (L) What is reality bridging?

A: What does it sound like?

Q: (L) Is it somewhat like merging universes? (T) A bridge is something you put between two things...

A: You wish to limit, wait till 4th density, when the word will be obsolete!

Q: (L) That still doesn't help me to understand deja vu as a "sensation of reality bridging." Is deja vu because something comes into our reality from another?

A: One possibility..

Q: (T) Didn't we talk about this? That it is a bleedthrough from other dimensions... that when we think we have been someplace before, it is because in another dimension we have...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) If you are now in a particular universe that has been created and merged by 4th density STS, and there is still the old universe existing, and you feel a connection, or a bridging, because some alternate self is in that alternate universe, living through some experience... or a similar thing?

A: No limits of possibilities.

Q: (L) So it can be any and all of those things, and bridging realities of "past" and "future," as well. Is it possible to change the past within a discrete universe, or does every change imply a new or alternate universe?

A: Discrete does not get it.

Q: (L) Well, within a particular, selected one of the universes, can you go back in time, within that universe, change the past, and have it change everything forward, still within that selected universe, like a domino effect?

A: In such a case, yes.

Q: (L) But, you said that if you want to change the past, you have to create an alternate universe... (T) No, you asked about changing the past, and they said you have to create a temporary place to work from, a position from which you can manipulate the reality...

A: That is for specialized activities.

Q: (L) So that creating of an alternate universe was for special things, and not for a general historic change?

A: What was described is not the same as an "alternate universe."

Q: (L) It is a temporary file that will go away when you are finished loading the program. And that is not creating an alternate universe, but rather a temporary dimension...

A: Close.

Q: (L) In our particular universe, what is the primary mode? Are we constantly shifting and merging universe to universe, or is our past being changed and reacting like the domino effect... at least in the past few years... (T) But, we wouldn't know if the past has been changed because we wouldn't see it...

A: Measurements are inadequate.

Q: (L) How does that relate to my question? Which is happening? Is our singular universe being changed as in a domino effect, or is it continuously being merged with a new one and another and another... (T) What you are asking for is a measurement. (L) Is it that any and all possibilities and will and do take place?

A: Closer.

Q: (L) Can you clarify that any further for me?

A: No, because you would simply not grasp it.

Q: (T) It is part of the infrastructure of the universe which we are in no way capable of understanding at this point. We can't even get quarks right.

A: Yes.

Notice the final part. This topic of timeline manipulation through time travel was not pursued much further probably because according to the C's we are incapable of understanding it at this point.

Though I do wonder what they meant by this comment:

(T) But, we wouldn't know if the past has been changed because we wouldn't see it...

A: Measurements are inadequate.

 

[Persej]

I also do not understand why would time travel be included in the discussions about buildings? Perhaps because some people think that buildings are unaffected by time travel? So if the 4D STS go back in time and eliminate constructors of a building, that building will still be there? Why would that be the case?

 

[Persej]

About solar activity and its effect on Earth:

Q: Now, I have just finished reading this book about the Mayans and it says that the Mayan calendar began with the birth of Venus on 13 August 3114 B.C. What event were the Mayans describing when talking about the birth of Venus?

A: How do you know that the book is an accurate representation?

Q: Well, you're right. That's why I am asking. They have established the mathematics of the importance of this date, that this was the beginning of the cycle of this last world age of the Mayans. They say it began with the birth of Venus. I would like to know what they ARE talking about here? If it is not the birth of Venus, or if it is not the beginning of the cycle, what is the mathematical significance of this calendar cycle that the Mayans placed so much emphasis on it?

A: The Mayans have little or no ability to accurately reflect upon the roots of their culture.

Q: Well, that still does not answer my question. What is the significance of the 1,872,000 days that repeatedly comes up on these carvings?

A: Do you know how long that is?

Q: Yes, about 5,000 years - from 3114 B.C. to 2012 A.D. - 5,000 and change years.

A: Do numerology.

Q: Well, 2012 added to 3114 is 5126. That is a 5 in numerology.

A: What does 5 signify?

Q: Fifth house, sign of Leo, August, Perseid Meteor shower, physical expression of love, children, creativity...

A: In numerology, not astrology.

Q: In numerology 5 is cosmic energy, Kali-Ma.

A: Creative redistribution.

Q: Well, somehow we are going off in funny directions here when I just really wanted to know...

A: No, we are "going off" in the right direction.

Q: Alright, there was another thing in this book that was talked about. This guy says that this number struck him as being extremely interesting because it also happened to be the same number of days of a solar cycle - a sun spot cycle maximum that occurs every 5,000 years. Is this in some way related to the activity of the sun as this guy suggests?

A: In some way.

Q: Another thing that he mentioned in passing was that the solar activity of 1989, when we all saw the Aurora Borealis here in Florida and everything was really strange because of this huge solar flare, that this was the most activity we have had since 1952, the year I was born. I was surprised to learn that the year of my birth was the last really big year of solar activity until then. He then goes on to propose that solar activity is the real cause of astrological personality types, that it has to do with the electromagnetic energy and rays emitted by the sun in the twisting and turning of its belts and quadrants of positive and negative energy, and shifting its poles and all of that. It is very complicated. Now, having said all of that, is there anything significant about these years of intense solar activity?

A: Solar activity does cause changes in the magnetic field surrounding earth, thus changing or altering frequency resonance vibrations. This is why the Maya believed in their "ages" and their transformations.

Q: Is there any significance to the intense EM activity from the sun in 1952?

A: What happened then?

Q: Well 1952 was an interesting year. Number one, I was born in the early part of the year, and also that was the year of one of the biggest UFO flaps ever. They were seen over Washington, D.C. They were photographed over the capitol. I don't think that there has been so dramatic a flap since then. I think it was in July of 1952 when the major deal happened, though it went on for months. Is this relating to what we are talking about, that maybe it opened a door or changed the frequency?

A: Yes.

Session 23 May 1998

Like I said, there was a lot of solar activity in the 19th century.

 

[Persej]

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[Kadam303]

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[BHelmet]

I also do not understand why would time travel be included in the discussions about buildings?

1. We don’t know the relationship between time travel and timeline manipulation. We don’t know the mechanics of the process. The key point is that the buildings are potentially and hypothetically evidence of the manipulation of time and the hand of the “external” 4D controllers of humanity. To the “Tartariaists” (for lack of a better word), The historical narratives about the buildings and their construction dates as well as their purposes are severely lacking in detail and believability. (Incredibly Massive, expensive, extensive and quite elegant insane asylums is one good example) so there is a mismatch between narratives and the evidence we see with our eyes, IOW, the buildings.

Perhaps because some people think that buildings are unaffected by time travel?

Great question. But it brings us back to the question of time travel vs time line manipulation. We don’t know enough about the difference or about how those 2 concepts would interact.

So if the 4D STS go back in time and eliminate constructors of a building, that building will still be there? Why would that be the case?

confusing questions. Why wouldn’t it? But the idea they are going to”back in time” is probably the wrong way to look at it.

Bottom line, we don’t understand the process, it has a huge impact on humanity and the C’s have not really been asked about it since the first time the subject was raised.

I’ll say the unspoken part: it seems to me there is an actual reluctance to dive into these waters.

Note- said I was done but stellar inspired me to have one more go.

 

[ToxicCoward]

I also do not understand why would time travel be included in the discussions about buildings? Perhaps because some people think that buildings are unaffected by time travel? So if the 4D STS go back in time and eliminate constructors of a building, that building will still be there? Why would that be the case?

Probably it depends.

If building is not very unique and based on already existing building(s) then perhaps eliminating its constructors wouldn't change much because someone else would build same or very similar thing in order to keep urban coherence or to optimally use available space.

What about bigger buildings such as pyramids?

If STS were to eliminate constructors of first pyramid - then someone else would look at stars, discover math, discover various laws, pick materials based on resource availability, and eventually those people could come up to same conclusions and build pyramid.

If STS were to eliminate constructors of any pyramid after first - then someone else would be inspired by first pyramid and build next one anyway.

Elimination of constructors doesn't sound "efficient" enough. They would probably re-purpose constructors aims to make them build something 4D STS would prefer to be build instead.
But if there is nothing they want to be build instead and STS is desperate to make sure certain construction not to be constructed then perhaps changing economy or bringing disasters in order to make such building unaffordable is something they would do.

I wonder about books:
1) First someone would write book with building 1.
2) Then someone else would write book with building 2 inspired by building 1.
3) Then someone else would write book with building 3 inspired by building 2.
4) Then someone else would write book with building n+1 inspired by building 3.
5) Would affecting past would update contents of all books? Or only some?
Perhaps some fantasy books describe buildings that could have been build but haven't because of time travel changes.