Thor, the movie opens in 2 days

[Kaigen]

:D I thing there is something with the 3D technology like with the stroboscopes.
You become a new program flashed on your retina or something like that.
I did ones but no more. Strange fillings.

 

[Guardian]

I have a strong 'be nice' program,

I don't think I have one of those.

so I like to avoid confrontation whenever possible.

..and I KNOW I don't have one of those.

It took me a while to muster the courage to even say what I said, so I think I did good for me :P

Well good then, I'm glad you could say something. :)

Besides... you never know what could be going through someone's head these days with HAARP and everything going off. If you piss someone off they might hurt you or something,

Yes, that's always a possibility, but if someone is going to go nuts, I rather they do it with me than someone who can't handle them...thus far however, the effect has been entirely different. First everyone in the theater looks at me, then they immediately look at the person I'm talking to ...watching for their response. Either that person puts the cell phone away, or they give me some lip, or both.

Only once has someone acted like they were going to refuse and make an issue of it, and I got the entire theater (including his own girl friend sitting next to him) laughing at him in about 15 seconds. I called him "Prince Verizon" bowed and apologized because I didn't know we had royalty among us and the rules didn't apply to him. I think I mentioned that a Prince should have at least been able to afford to buy his girlfriend a large popcorn instead of a dozen kernels in a Dixie cup, I asked her "Did you at least get a Reeses Cup out of him girl?" and when she nodded "no" "What, not even one Reeses Cup from the Prince of Verizon?" ...stuff like that. The point is to get everyone looking and laughing at the offender....which I seem to have a knack for.
Someone actually went and got an Usher that time.

The thing is, they KNOW what they're doing is wrong, they had to walk past 1/2 a dozen signs that say "Please turn your cell phone off" ...with the same message displayed on the screen right before the movie. They are intentionally showing gross disrespect for everyone around them ...and there's a part of me that just has to call them on it. I use humor because I'd really rather not have to hurt them....and humor works. You'd be surprised..it usually only takes one person to get the whole crowd started.

 

[truth seeker]

Only once has someone acted like they were going to refuse and make an issue of it, and I got the entire theater (including his own girl friend sitting next to him) laughing at him in about 15 seconds. I called him "Prince Verizon" bowed and apologized because I didn't know we had royalty among us and the rules didn't apply to him. I think I mentioned that a Prince should have at least been able to afford to buy his girlfriend a large popcorn instead of a dozen kernels in a Dixie cup, I asked her "Did you at least get a Reeses Cup out of him girl?" and when she nodded "no" "What, not even one Reeses Cup from the Prince of Verizon?" ...stuff like that. The point is to get everyone looking and laughing at the offender....which I seem to have a knack for.
Someone actually went and got an Usher that time.

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

If I ever need my "make nice" program beat out of me, I know just whom to ask. I think it's wise to "pick your battles", and know when to move and when to put your foot down, and both cases should be driven by external consideration. That's why when it's shyness or fear of embarrassment holding us back, it's not the right reason to hold back. Plus, the movie Thor is inspirational. The guy is a sweetheart, and yet very headstrong and compulsive. But one thing he isn't is shy, and actually now that I think about it, Guardian kinda reminds me of him :P And it would be fun to hang out with both, as long as we don't get ourselves into any wars in the process..

 

[Guardian]

And it would be fun to hang out with both, as long as we don't get ourselves into any wars in the process..

Well, if we're somewhere that a Petty Tyrant happens to pop up ...I'm not making any promises

 

[ScioAgapeOmnis]

Well, if we're somewhere that a Petty Tyrant happens to pop up ...I'm not making any promises

Well if you put it that way, that's just practicing our stalking skills, what could possibly go wrong? :D I'm not a very experienced tyrant stalker though, I may need to bring a notebook and a pencil. I'll draw some rows with the "5 attributes of warriorship" and our names as follows:


SAO Guardian
Control...................................................................
Discipline................................................................
Forbearance............................................................
Timing....................................................................
Will.........................................................................

Then we'd have to write down our observation of how the other applied each one, because we'll be taking turns dealing with the petty tyrant. We'll assign a value from 1 to 10 because we need a scoring system. The next day we try to beat our high scores. This may be the wrong way to do this, and the subjectivity of our values may be meaningless, and in my frailty I may not survive, but it beats mini-golf. Oh and we'd have to carefully read this before (foolishly?) going out into the field:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13081.0

Like I said, this cannot possibly fail :D

 

[Guardian]

Well, if we're somewhere that a Petty Tyrant happens to pop up ...I'm not making any promises

Well if you put it that way, that's just practicing our stalking skills, what could possibly go wrong? :D I'm not a very experienced tyrant stalker though,

I never have to stalk them, heck half the time I'm tripping over them.

Then we'd have to write down our observation of how the other applied each one, because we'll be taking turns dealing with the petty tyrant. We'll assign a value from 1 to 10 because we need a scoring system. The next day we try to beat our high scores. This may be the wrong way to do this, and the subjectivity of our values may be meaningless, and in my frailty I may not survive, but it beats mini-golf.

Kewl!

Guardian
Control................... I did not take the fire extinguisher off the wall and spray him with it ...which was my first idea.
Discipline................ I did not take the fire extinguisher off the wall, sneak up and give him a short blast with it from behind ...which was my second idea.
Forbearance........... I included his poor, embarrassed female companion in the joke, and made her feel like part of the crowd laughing at him (instead of being laughed at)
Timing..................... I got the cell phone turned off before the trailers were over.
Will......................... I WILL do it again if someone's talking on a cell phone during a movie

How'd I do? I'm thinking I should get major points for abandoning the fire extinguisher idea, because it would have been FUNNY ...but it had too many potential repercussions, and I didn't want to miss the movie.

Oh and we'd have to carefully read this before (foolishly?) going out into the field:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13081.0

PLEASE don't take this the wrong way as I deeply respect the Indigenous Cultures Don Juan was referring to, but to be completely objective, these are the same cultures who had their collective azzs handed to them by just about every other culture that stumbled across them. :(

I'm NOT trying to be rude here, but I do take their recommendations on Warriorship with a grain of salt. I'm of the opinion that many cultures are wayyyyyy too tolerant of abusive and/or psychopathic behavior in a vain effort to "maintain harmony in the community/tribe" Unfortunately, being nice and polite only works with the nice and polite people. Being "nice" and "polite" with abusive people DOES NOT WORK.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13081.0

"How do you measure defeat?"

To me, there are only two ways I can be defeated, I can quit, or I can die....and I'm really not fond of doing either.

 

[Seamus]

First of all... I saw Thor last night, in 2D, and I also really enjoyed it. Thor kind of embodies my "shadow" in some ways. He is direct, confident, physically imposing (I am tall but very thin) and he knows how to treat the ladies. The "funny parts" were funny enough for me to chuckle out loud, the effects were great, the story line was predictable but interesting enough to keep me thinking a little bit, and the characters and their relationships were developed just enough for me to care about them. I'm giving it 2 thumbs up

Second of all... I really enjoyed reading through this thread just now. Like Deedlet, I fight a strong "be nice", "be polite", "embarrassed to make a scene" program.

If I ever need my "make nice" program beat out of me, I know just whom to ask. I think it's wise to "pick your battles", and know when to move and when to put your foot down, and both cases should be driven by external consideration. That's why when it's shyness or fear of embarrassment holding us back, it's not the right reason to hold back. Plus, the movie Thor is inspirational. The guy is a sweetheart, and yet very headstrong and compulsive. But one thing he isn't is shy, and actually now that I think about it, Guardian kinda reminds me of him :P And it would be fun to hang out with both, as long as we don't get ourselves into any wars in the process..

Right on.

As a side note, I found myself getting squirmy and looking away from the screen when Thor was being direct with the other characters, and especially when he and the leading lady were smooching. Its pretty funny that a 29 yo guy gets squeamish about "the big kiss", but I guess thats one of my hang ups. I like it when a movie challenges me in ways I don't expect.

I have a strong 'be nice' program,

I don't think I have one of those.

so I like to avoid confrontation whenever possible.

..and I KNOW I don't have one of those.

It took me a while to muster the courage to even say what I said, so I think I did good for me :P

Well good then, I'm glad you could say something. :)

Besides... you never know what could be going through someone's head these days with HAARP and everything going off. If you piss someone off they might hurt you or something,

Yes, that's always a possibility, but if someone is going to go nuts, I rather they do it with me than someone who can't handle them...thus far however, the effect has been entirely different. First everyone in the theater looks at me, then they immediately look at the person I'm talking to ...watching for their response. Either that person puts the cell phone away, or they give me some lip, or both.

Only once has someone acted like they were going to refuse and make an issue of it, and I got the entire theater (including his own girl friend sitting next to him) laughing at him in about 15 seconds. I called him "Prince Verizon" bowed and apologized because I didn't know we had royalty among us and the rules didn't apply to him. I think I mentioned that a Prince should have at least been able to afford to buy his girlfriend a large popcorn instead of a dozen kernels in a Dixie cup, I asked her "Did you at least get a Reeses Cup out of him girl?" and when she nodded "no" "What, not even one Reeses Cup from the Prince of Verizon?" ...stuff like that. The point is to get everyone looking and laughing at the offender....which I seem to have a knack for.
Someone actually went and got an Usher that time.

The thing is, they KNOW what they're doing is wrong, they had to walk past 1/2 a dozen signs that say "Please turn your cell phone off" ...with the same message displayed on the screen right before the movie. They are intentionally showing gross disrespect for everyone around them ...and there's a part of me that just has to call them on it. I use humor because I'd really rather not have to hurt them....and humor works. You'd be surprised..it usually only takes one person to get the whole crowd started.

Awesome! I wish I were there!

Well, if we're somewhere that a Petty Tyrant happens to pop up ...I'm not making any promises

Well if you put it that way, that's just practicing our stalking skills, what could possibly go wrong? :D I'm not a very experienced tyrant stalker though, I may need to bring a notebook and a pencil. I'll draw some rows with the "5 attributes of warriorship" and our names as follows:


SAO Guardian
Control...................................................................
Discipline................................................................
Forbearance............................................................
Timing....................................................................
Will.........................................................................

Then we'd have to write down our observation of how the other applied each one, because we'll be taking turns dealing with the petty tyrant. We'll assign a value from 1 to 10 because we need a scoring system. The next day we try to beat our high scores. This may be the wrong way to do this, and the subjectivity of our values may be meaningless, and in my frailty I may not survive, but it beats mini-golf. Oh and we'd have to carefully read this before (foolishly?) going out into the field:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13081.0

Like I said, this cannot possibly fail :D

I'm going to make some score cards to carry around with me. :D

 

[Seamus]

Oh and we'd have to carefully read this before (foolishly?) going out into the field:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13081.0

PLEASE don't take this the wrong way as I deeply respect the Indigenous Cultures Don Juan was referring to, but to be completely objective, these are the same cultures who had their collective azzs handed to them by just about every other culture that stumbled across them. :(

I'm NOT trying to be rude here, but I do take their recommendations on Warriorship with a grain of salt. I'm of the opinion that many cultures are wayyyyyy too tolerant of abusive and/or psychopathic behavior in a vain effort to "maintain harmony in the community/tribe" Unfortunately, being nice and polite only works with the nice and polite people. Being "nice" and "polite" with abusive people DOES NOT WORK.

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=13081.0

"How do you measure defeat?"

To me, there are only two ways I can be defeated, I can quit, or I can die....and I'm really not fond of doing either.

Since this is a thread about Thor, what are the Norse recommendations on Warriorship?

If the petty tyrant is a big dumb oaf (like a frost giant) bust out the hammer and kick his butt. If he has friends, hit them with the hammer too. If you can't find any frost giants, go looking for them and hit them with your hammer.

******************** spoiler alert************************

What if the petty tyrant is a smooth talking snake, like Loki? Since he is a skinny weakling, stick with the hammer and arrogantly assume that he is no concern while you whamp on some frost giants. When the All Father takes your hammer away, strips you of your power and banishes you to a lower realm to teach you a lesson in humility, continue to believe anything Loki tells you because after all, he's a skinny weakling. When Loki sends a 40 foot tall mechanical monster, named "the Destroyer" after you, dodge the beams of flame shooting out of its head until you realize that the false personality has to die in order for your true self to shine through. Walk straight at the monster and let him hit you so hard you fly across town. At this point your hammer should fly through the air, faster than the speed of sound.............. and you can get back to your hammer bashing ways with some new found wisdom about humility, sacrifice, gratitude, etc.

 

[Guardian]

To me, there are only two ways I can be defeated, I can quit, or I can die....and I'm really not fond of doing either.

Since this is a thread about Thor, what are the Norse recommendations on Warriorship?

Don't quit or die, but if you must pick one of the two, die well.

If the petty tyrant is a big dumb oaf (like a frost giant) bust out the hammer and kick his butt. If he has friends, hit them with the hammer too. If you can't find any frost giants, go looking for them and hit them with your hammer.

Symbolically, yes, there's really not much else you can do about a psychopath except hit them with a big hammer....although if the truth be told, I prefer a Bastard Sword.

 

[Seamus]

To me, there are only two ways I can be defeated, I can quit, or I can die....and I'm really not fond of doing either.

Since this is a thread about Thor, what are the Norse recommendations on Warriorship?

Don't quit or die, but if you must pick one of the two, die well.

If the petty tyrant is a big dumb oaf (like a frost giant) bust out the hammer and kick his butt. If he has friends, hit them with the hammer too. If you can't find any frost giants, go looking for them and hit them with your hammer.

Symbolically, yes, there's really not much else you can do about a psychopath except hit them with a big hammer....although if the truth be told, I prefer a Bastard Sword.

I'd have to say that a light saber is my all time favorite weapon. I've always been partial to katanas as well, maybe because of the Highlander movies and TV show, and shillelaghs on account of my Irish heritage. A good whiffle ball bat stood in for any of the above when I was little, and old corn stalks or hay bales played the roll of the "bad guys". Sometimes I kind of miss those days.

 

[Guardian]

Awesome! I wish I were there!

...and the reason you wish you were there is exactly why the tactics work. :)

Contrary to popular belief, I think the vast majority of people are good at their core, and have a strong desire for justice. Often, this world has made them into other than what their Spirits want to be. They've been taught they must accept the "petty tyrant" in order to avoid even worse abuse....and this is a lie.

You know how you can extend yourself out and feel a crowd.... turn off all the internal crap and, for lack of a better word, "blend" with the group's energy? When a "petty tyrant" is having a public romp, I try to become that energy and direct it all at the petty tyrant ...usually with humor whenever possible. If I was acting on my desire alone, I would fail each and every time.....and that's pretty much true for most everything I do.

The REAL trick is picking the right group emotion to tap into, and again I recommend humor whenever possible...although there are times throughout history when only a good riot will do. ;D

 

[Guardian]

I'd have to say that a light saber is my all time favorite weapon.

I have a Bastard Sword sitting about 2 feet to my right. Do you have a light saber? ;D

 

[Seamus]

Awesome! I wish I were there!

...and the reason you wish you were there is exactly why the tactics work. :)

Contrary to popular belief, I think the vast majority of people are good at their core, and have a strong desire for justice. Often, this world has made them into other than what their Spirits want to be. They've been taught they must accept the "petty tyrant" in order to avoid even worse abuse....and this is a lie.

I don't know about other people, but I agree with this 100% from my own experience. I've been thinking about this since I replied earlier and I realized that I've never been in a real fight. I am afraid of physical confrontation. Maybe REALLY afraid... which probably stops me from saying something in many instances, especially when I'm interacting with other men. AND I think this translates, as you say, into accepting the "petty tyrant" to avoid imagined physical punishment. Any form of aggression or violence was strongly discouraged in me when I was a child. Come to think of it, I'm pretty sure my mom spanked me, at least a couple of times, and I have absolutely no memory of it. Hmmm

You know how you can extend yourself out and feel a crowd.... turn off all the internal crap and, for lack of a better word, "blend" with the group's energy? When a "petty tyrant" is having a public romp, I try to become that energy and direct it all at the petty tyrant ...usually with humor whenever possible. If I was acting on my desire alone, I would fail each and every time.....and that's pretty much true for most everything I do.

The REAL trick is picking the right group emotion to tap into, and again I recommend humor whenever possible...although there are times throughout history when only a good riot will do. ;D

This sounds kind of like the Jungian Archetype idea to me, or what G says about getting to the point of being able to choose the forces that are acting on/through you. Instead of allowing yourself to be mindlessly possessed and controlled by the flow of the crowd you are feeling the energy that is there and choosing which parts to act with. Actively working to restore balance by channeling energy back at the "petty tyrant". Thanks for this, really interesting to think about. I'll try to see if I can get better at feeling the energy of crowds.

As an aside.... how did you get started as a Guardian, I mean at concerts and events? Did you get self defense training when you were younger or something? Just curious :D

 

[Seamus]

I'd have to say that a light saber is my all time favorite weapon.

I have a Bastard Sword sitting about 2 feet to my right. Do you have a light saber? ;D

No... I don't have a light saber

I do have a WWII era katana in my closet though.... It was a war trophy that one of my Marine relatives came home with after the war.