First researcher wrote:
There is some interesting research by Lynam (2002) 'Fledgling Psychopathy'
which associates ADDH when present with CD (conduct disorder the juvenile
name for antisocial personality) as a predictor of later adult psychopathy.
They state that when ADDH and CD co-occur, which happens in 30-50% of ADDH
there is a high likelyhood of adult psychopathy. I haven't had chance yet
to dig into this research but I'll keep you posted it sounds interesting.
I wrote:
Is there anything going the way of researching the kind of pschopathy that
really interests us: the cold, calculating, controlled critter that learns
very early how to play the game? I was quite interested in the study of the
nomological net approach that identified about 25 % of students in a college
as having psychopathic traits "personality" wise but had none of the conduct
disorders or sociopathic traits that would tend to mark them out in any way
as antisocial. The antisocial nature of them was well hidden.
First Researcher wrote:
Yes, there is a whole 'thesis' just in this research which I believe shows
the subject to be truly multi-dimensional, and indicates the ponerisation
process and general de-sensitisation to a 'wholesome morality' (for want of
better words).
And again the truly successful psychopath, knowing their own difference will
detect the purpose of the test, and will be well able to complete the
questionnaire to their advantage by lying.
One of the current debates in psychology is the classification of
personality disorders in the current DSM. There are the classification
arguments where people want precise demarcation lines and labels, and there
are the dimensional proponants who say there are no demarcations lines and
that there are multiple dimensions to personality disorder. I go with the
latter at present but I am still in the baby class so that could change:o)
I think part of the problem here as you will no doubt have detected in the
latest paper, is the labeling of 'the psychopath' and its conotations with
hollywood and the 'serial killer' image. It seems they are trying to 'bury'
the word and slip it into the 'antisocial behaviour' stable or borderline
personality. They are most definitely not the same thing. There is an
overlap between the essential psychopath and antisocial behaviour, these are
2nd dimension psychopaths; not all APD symptoms are present in psychopathy
but can be, and not all diagnoses of APD are psychopths. And the bottom line
and the one we are most interested in, not all psychopaths with 1st
dimension category psychopathy, have any APD.
I wrote:
I'm quite curious about the issue of female psychopathy. I've recall
reading somewhere that most female psychopaths tend to get classified as
"borderline personality disorder" so it strikes me that there is a
difference in the manifestation of the condition in women which then tends
to connect it to a sex linked gene.
First researcher wrote:
Could this be the mitochondrial DNA link, don't really understand the
genetic aspect but like haemophelia affects mostly males the females carry
the potent gene? Alternatively there could be an element of stereotyping
and schemas which is blinding science to the potentials of female
psychopaths and therefore not examined and classified to the same degree,
maybe the female ones are even more 'successful'? Pure speculation :o)
I wrote:
I've been thinking about this for a couple of days and here's a purely
speculative bit of thinking:
From Wikipedia:
The first record of haemophilia is the Talmud, Jewish holy text, which
states that males did not have to be circumcised if two brothers had already
died from the procedure. [...]
Forms
* Haemophilia A - factor VIII deficiency, "classic haemophilia" (X-
linked recessive)
* Haemophilia B - factor IX deficiency, "Christmas disease" (X-linked
recessive)
* Haemophilia C - factor XI deficiency (Ashkenazi Jews, autosomal
recessive)
(Autosomal: the disease is due to a DNA error in one of the 22 pairs that
are not sex chromosomes. Both boys and girls can then inherit this error. If
the error is in a sex chromosome, the inheritance is said to be sex-linked.)
[...]
Females possess two X-chromosomes, whereas males have one X and one Y
chromosome. Since the mutations causing the disease are recessive, a woman
carrying the defect on one of her X-chromosomes may not be affected by it,
as the equivalent allele on her other chromosome should express itself to
produce the necessary clotting factors. However the Y-chromosome in men has
no gene for factors VIII or IX. If the genes responsible for production of
factor VIII or factor IX present on a male's X-chromosome is deficient there
is no equivalent on the Y-chromosome, so the deficient gene is not masked by
the dominant allele and he will develop the illness.
Since a male receives his single X-chromosome from his mother, the son of a
healthy female silently carrying the deficient gene will have a 50% chance
of inheriting that gene from her and with it the disease; and if his mother
is affected with haemophilia, he will have a 100% chance of being a
haemophiliac. In contrast, for a female to inherit the disease, she must
receive two deficient X-chromosomes, one from her mother and the other from
her father (who must therefore be a haemophiliac himself). Hence haemophilia
is far more common among males than females. However it is possible for
female carriers to become mild haemophiliacs due to lyonisation of the X
chromosomes. Haemophiliac daughters are more common than they once were, as
improved treatments for the disease have allowed more haemophiliac males to
survive to adulthood and become parents. Adult females may experience
menorrhagia (heavy periods) due to the bleeding tendency.
You can also reverse the color code in the above image and imagine that the father is a genetic deviant of some sort and the mother is a carrier of either the same deviance, or even a different one...
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So, let me re-write the above for psychopathy and let's see if it makes
sense:
Females possess two X-chromosomes, whereas males have one X and one Y
chromosome. Since the mutations causing psychopathy are recessive, a woman
carrying the defect on one of her X-chromosomes may not be affected by it,
as the equivalent allele on her other chromosome should express itself to
counteract the tendencies to some extent. However the Y-chromosome in men
has no gene for "conscience". If the genes responsible for psychopathy is
present on a male's X-chromosome, there is no counteracting factor on the Y-
chromosome, so the deficient gene is not masked by the dominant allele and
he will be a psychopath.
Since a male receives his single X-chromosome from his mother, the son of a
non-psychopathic female silently carrying the deficient gene will have a 50%
chance of inheriting that gene from her and with it psychopathy; and if his
mother is affected with psychopathy, he will have a 100% chance of being a
psychopath. In contrast, for a female to inherit psychopathy, she must
receive two deficient X-chromosomes, one from her mother and the other from
her father (who must therefore be a psychopath himself). Hence psychopathy
is far more common among males than females. However it is possible for
female carriers to become mild psychopaths due to lyonisation of the X
chromosomes. Psychopathic daughters are more common than they once were, as
more psychopathic males have been breeding and producing children in recent
times (via rape and casual sex). Adult females may be diagnosed with
Borderline Personality Disorder due to the psychopathic tendency.
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Sound reasonable?
I think there is more to think about this than just the above, but it's kind
of a skeleton of an idea.
Second researcher wrote:
I think psychopathy is an X-linked gene and actually asked the question in a
sex and behavior course last spring.
Our study group determined that it was. There is a paper here that discusses
it but like Laura, I think involves a whole lot more than that.
One review abstract found here:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/q35x06127n351615/ to get the actual
paper i have to log on to ****'s library and I forgot my password (too many
to remember). I actually have to go the library to get a new one.
I get some interesting stuff in seminars that i just don't have the time to
write about now but to touch on it briefly, I think there is also the issue
of epigenetics.
Epigenetics is a process involving activation and inactivation of genes
based on environmental influences. Which gene is active when epigenetics is
taken into consideration is theorized to be affected by pre and peri-natal
environment AND events during critical developmental stages; think
abductions, wars, rapes, religious programming and rituals.
Genetics may - as I think - "marry with the soul" - but there may be some
flexibility in X linked genes for females. I don't see it as just a
'mutation', however. There seems to be something more. I don't like to
speculate about that because it is too weird.
For example: There is one species of voles that seems to indicate that
genetic tinkering and not random mutations are responsible for some
behavioral variation. The problem is the tinkering would have had to happen
before we - our current civilization, that is - had the knowledged and means
to do so according to standard theory. This makes a lot of scientists very
uncomfortable.
Voles are socially very similar to us in parental and mating behaviors. Also
the way Laura talks about the possibility of pheromones as a means for
differentiating psychopaths from normal people is not farfetched: prairie
voles use this method to differentiate a good parent from bad in their mate
selection!
Anyway, a female can have the super Selfish and the super Giving - (good
parent) genes at the same time! Epigenetics and recombination determines
which one is ruling the roost.
Males on the other hand can be influenced by epigenetics but whatever is X
linked is what he has to work with - that's it.
If the psychopath gene is on X we have a problem. I believe this to be the
case and we all agree we have a problem.
I looked at a study were some sociopathically linked traits are common to
males and their maternal uncles. Epigenetic effects on mental disorders
like schizophrenia are hotly debated in the research community but should
also be considered as part of this psychopathy business. Lobaczewski alludes
to this when he describes the levels of psychopathy and schizoidal
personality. Maybe the review I linked above will explain some of this.
I'll get it for you.
There is also the resistant personality type. What is it that makes some
people not succumb to psychopathic behavior despite exposure to abuse,
suffering and psychopathy throughout development?
We have speculated among ourselves that the difference may lie in the fact
that some individuals have souls and some don't. In terms of research, it
would be interesting to look for genetic similarities or differences between
such people. I know of a proposed study that was recently turned down for
funding that sought to research this very issue. Somebody doesn't want this
getting out there.
I think your post is timely because I was reading Controversy of Zion and
since I often mentally substitue "psychopaths" for "jews" I began thinking
about things you (Laura) covered in Secret History as well as a book I re-
read this summer called the iceman inheritance.
The data regarding jews and kazars seems so confusing because the issue goes
beyond Kazaria, and these footprints if you may, are distorted during times
of mass upheavals. Natural disasters, wars, or dark ages it seems, are
used by the psychopaths to reinvogorate themselves genetically. It even
seems to be conscious, which is a scary thought. It only makes sense to me
when looked at in terms of efforts against all odds to maintain a particular
genetic make up with 'jewishness' as the foil - the screen - the ideology
being used as the "excuse" - regardless of nationality.
This may have also happened during the exodus period, the babylonian
captivity, the roman period and now the ongoing facist period in the west.
An example of how this reinvigoration process works was a series of early
1990's articles about dwindling jewish cultural identity due to mixed
marriages in the US. These pieces were often juxtaposed with ads for jewish
singles events NYC.
Anyway, as we already know the most recent message they are broadcasting
seems to have upped the ante in order to preserve some "semitic" (read:
psychopathic) bloodlines and destroy others by playing on the fears left
over from the last persecution of the common jew - WW II.. The message is
that anti-semitism is on the rise and support of and moving to Isreal is the
best protection. This stuff is supposed to trigger mass movements of
those with the the diluted strain. As modern history demonstrates, the
social upheaval model that is used to trigger these mass movements drives
those with the strain into the arms of others with complementary strains to
result in a re-concentrain of genes.
It looks like psychopathic men (substitue this for jews), many descended
from the priestly caste of jews, were moving all over the old world, via this
process mentioned above. The latest concentration was on the eurasian
continent. They mated with the women they encountered from various ethnic
groups as they moved across the continent but did so in a manner that
indicated something - call it pheromones if you will - caused increased
matings with women carrying the psychopathic gene.
I also started thinking that some women for whatever reason may have had a
relative resistance to bearing genetically psychopathic children and it may
be indicated by high miscarriage rates; but then there is also the influence
of environment and culture that can make someone behave like a psychopath.
I started thinking about this because of what I know about Rh negs . I
don't think that this Rh gene has anything to do with psychopathy or
resistance to it BTW, since we don't really know what the Rh positive gene
does other than having something to do with ammonium clearing but that is
speculation. The process of it is what is interesting and may apply to a
psychopathy gene if such exisit as we think. There are, after all,
resisters to psychopathy in the population as we well know.
Before the advent of rhogam ( an anti anti-positive serum ) Rh neg women had
high miscarriage rates when the fetus was Rh positive. What this meant was
that the Rh trait was often passed on via the male. It is interesting though
that a proposed origin of the Rh gene is the black sea area, but it is
found today mostly in north western europeans AND north africans with a few
in east africa!! The highest concentration is in basques and people of the
pyrenees region. It is almost absent in asian and southern and western
africans.
Was there originally a similar issue for mating between those with
psychopathic genes and those more inclined to conscience? If so did some
genetic tweak (epigenetics) result in the capacity for more individuals to
carry this gene? Is the semitic gene itself a remnant of resistance to
breeding psychopaths but is now very diluted post-tweak?
If a there was a similar process with the psychopathy gene in that the
tweak occured in the females on the X-linked gene then the issue of
miscarriage would have been eliminated.
For the eastern european group many of these women that the elite
psychopatic 'semites' i.e aaronite line delibeately mated with were probably
kazar. Women from other groups too were probably forced by their families
into marriages in order to consolidate power or secure peace from the
dominant kahzars or others, groups who raped, pillaged and terrorised
people. From these activities Y chromosome data will show sephardic and
distant israelite genetic links in the modern ashkenazi males especially the
priestly line, while in mtDNA you find eastern kazar as well as other
european links.
The weird thing is that by jewish law these children would not be jewish
because jewishness is passed through the female line. Maybe something else
was being passed which the term 'jewishness' is used to mask and the poor
everyday jew pays the price of the psychopathic power elite's maneuvering,
all the while thinking that their suffering is because of their specialness
the elites tell them about. This is sort of what Reed proposed in C of Z.
This is anectdotal but I find it interesting that within the past two years
two females I know have converted to judiasm. It was the only way they could
marry their then boyfriends who were jewish. One did marry the guy and the
other one broke up with her boyfriend after being treated badly by the women
in the synagoge. The one that got married is diagnosed with a personality
disorder, has had years of abuse, by a drug addicted prostitute mother and
her johns. It was only when her mother died that she had a semblence of
freedom and managed to complete her degree (phi beta kappa). The woman is
now a school teacher- scary. For a long time I felt very sorry for her
because of her life experience until she almost got everyone fired from our
jobs in the lab due to her deceptions and manipulations for power for
herself.
I write about this because there must be something that involves genes and
social situation that perpetuate this craziness; this woman is teaching
elementary school kids! How many more like her in such positions?
This "something" seems to have been known throughout history by the elites
who perpetuate it. Occasionally the the questing type will stumble on it and
immediately get slammed for being crazy. It is that that some people must
dominate and control with no regard for others - the psychopath.
Semites but mainly the branch that became jews are used to keep it going - a
perfect corral for consolidation of the gene pool - after infiltration by
psychopaths early in their history (sarai and abraham situation, perhaps?)
and it has spread genetically and culturally ever since because they may
well have been the ones with a genetic ability to carry both this gene and
the means for resisting it. A cruel, cruel trick.
Whatever, the case, such strong strains of opposing forces within any given
group is bound to make them stand out or seem "special". If you want a more
potent psychopathic strain, a decline in the resistant strain and a steady
supply of the normal strain, you need females with the psychopathic strain
mated to males who already have it. So in reality we have three types of
humans not just two I think. It is the only way to keep the food supply
going (from normal people), get rid of the competition (resisters) and
consolidate their (the psychopaths') power. The sicko nazi experiments and
forced childbearing was along these lines probably because it wasn't
happening fast enough. Common people just don't always do things the way the
PTB wants unless forced via fear and terror. Maybe there is something to
the name AshkeNAZI and the current war on terror.
Once a sizable group with the newly reconstituted and potent strain arise
as I think happened during the kazar period they would go out in the world
multiplying fruitfully and spreading the genes all over the place amongst
jews and non jews.
In relatively modern times colonialism was a means for the further spreading
of the new more potent psychopathy strain in my opinion, making the new
world especially america more psychopathic than not. A similar genetic
mixing may well have occured in the way it happened in Kazaria and combined
in western europe. I can imagine if the paychopaths don't destroy the world
800 years from now (which I doubt will be avoided seeing how it is going at
present), raging debate will be about whether or not American protestants
are really africans, western europeans or indians who converted. Or better
yet: are american jews converted christians descended from western
europeans, African or indian pagans and on an on and on. This is the foil,
the ruse, used again.
The genetic record then would reveal a ton of racial mixing with the Y
chromosome common to a dominant group of mostly european males and the mtDNA
from multiple groups including african, native american, asian, and
european. This is already the case in brazil in people determined to belong
to one racial group or another from their physical features but the genetic
record revealed a suprising and opposite result.
In summary, I think epigenetics and human greed make men go out and conquer
while women become carriers who pass on the conquerer's X linked genes.
Women epigenetically manipulated to be the first carriers of the psycho gene
I think, but this first group also had carriers of the resistant gene.
God it's all a sicked mixed up and confusing game.