Time alteration dream

[Alejo]

Hey everyone,

I had a strange dream last night, now I've had funky dreams, really strange and emotional nightmares, but this one has been one of the strangest ever and first time I ever have one that felt quite like this one.

Now, most dreams with me tend to have a narrative component, and all events tend to fall in a linear progression of events that either make or don't make sense, but it all moves linearly in time, so to speak.

But last night, my dream had the strangest sensation of being outside of time, or me having a full perception of time being a dimension I could look through in a physical way, if that makes sense.

The way it was experienced was, I was holding a picture frame, that I was unpacking from a wrapper. And as the events in the present were taking place I could see, when I looked to my left, the corresponding events in the past taking place, that is, someone assembling the picture frame, someone putting the picture in the frame, packing it, but these events in the past were directly affecting what I was seeing in the present, as if the present didn't exist until a past had taken place.

But also, the past could not exist, until something in the present had taken place. So both events were directly affecting one another. And there was a dynamic nature to what I was seeing, so if I stopped unwrapping the frame, then the past would change, or stop happening.

I realize the dream itself sounds rather simple and straight forward, however the sensation was that of time being a dimension I could transcend and navigate at will as if it were distance. Past and present weren't then and now, they're were more here and there. I hope that makes sense.

Has anyone ever had a time alteration dream as such? It's probably one of the coolest dreams I've ever had.

 

[Turgon]

Huh! I've never had a dream like that before but when we look up at stars in the present, we're seeing the light they emitted anywhere from a few years to millions of years ago depending on the distance. I've always been amazed that the present light we see is from the the stars past, and if only I could bridge the distance, would be able to see the star in its present form and as well. If that makes sense. Sounds like you did that. Very cool!

 

[hesperides]

Quite an interesting dream indeed, sounds like you got a direct experience of how the illusion of time and space works.

I also had a few dreams reflecting the same topic although under a somewhat different perspective, which made me really aware that If everything happens at the same time, here and now, then it becomes obvious that anything we do can impact and alter past and future in the blink of an eye.

As an example, In one of my dreams I'm going upstairs and walking along a corridor all the while I'm becoming more aware I'm dreaming. I know where I'm going and what awaits me at the end of this long corridor when suddenly I realize that this situation already happened, that it belonged to the past. At this point I'm getting curious about such a conundrum and decide to turn around wanting to remember more closely what happened in the past with said situation, only to realize that, as strangely as it sounded to me atm, it still didn't happen since it actually belonged to the future situation I described above.

I realize the dream itself sounds rather simple and straight forward, however the sensation was that of time being a dimension I could transcend and navigate at will as if it were distance. Past and present weren't then and now, they're were more here and there. I hope that makes sense.

Exactly, the decisions are always ours, as we know, but the filters imposed by our beliefs system -which btw are there to enable experiencing whatever we planned as lessons in 3D- make it appear like everything IS separate.

 

[Nachtweide]

I find your dream very strange, and it reminded me of an incident that I perceived at the level of consciousness.
Over a period of two months, I had a completely overstimulated nervous system accompanied by anxiety and panic. Nevertheless, I continued working in my practice, where each patient appointment lasts 30 minutes.
In all the previous years, time during a treatment always passed very quickly in my perception of time—my first check of the clock would typically be after about 20 minutes, and I would be surprised at how swiftly the time had flown by.
During those two months, I suddenly noticed that my first glance at the clock came after just one minute. At first, I was puzzled and found it unusual that my sense of time was no longer there. This persisted for weeks. Time had slowed down massively.
And even stranger is what’s happening right now. When I take my first glance at the clock, sometimes 40 minutes have already passed. It truly affects every treatment, and it has no connection to my level of interest or the effort required in the therapy.
I have the feeling that time is being arbitrarily slowed down or stretched. A very strange thing.

 

[Gaby]

But last night, my dream had the strangest sensation of being outside of time, or me having a full perception of time being a dimension I could look through in a physical way, if that makes sense.

Rings a bell. Over a month ago, I had a dream with Gimli in a Lord of the Rings setting and me navigating in a port in a big city. Kind of like a reality within (the port) and without (Lord of the Rings setting). As in a bubbled onion layer. It was taking place at the same time. I feel like I'm also in Gimli's reality at the same time. At some point, Gimli holds his ax and hammers between the realities to "pierce the veil".

I don't know how else to describe it. It was happening at the same time, but it was like two different places, but events in one place influenced the other one. It was not time altering, but reality altering if that makes sense. Only that it felt like two different timelines.

Anyhow, my 2 cents!

 

[RedFox]

Well that was cool!
Have not had one exactly like that, but the theme of time travel and world hopping has been an ongoing theme, on and off, for me as long as I can remember.
But nothing like yours.
Closest I got where of dreams of traveling to the future (in order to find or stop something), it not always going so well (but succeeding anyway), and then the past (my present) being altered because of it.

FWIW I had this dream last Monday

For what it’s worth I a nightmare (rare for me) of running from some mostly invisible terror about 4 hours before the event in Australia. Seeing people caught in a loop of running for terror. Real primal stuff. Woke up after thrashing about because of feeling like/seeing something had grabbed me.

On Monday this week I also had semi nightmares of trying to get a time travel device, „death around young people“ (I interpreted it as a plague - as being near them „meant death“), they where carrying pink and blue balloons on sticks, and I dived in a car to avoid them. There where large old men with grey beards involved, and something about a blue sailing ship.
This was followed the same night with a nightmare of a sustained ongoing earthquake in a tall building, and no one else panicking.

I figured HAARP was active then, especially when others posted nightmares earlier this week.

The time travel device was hidden under a blanket in a basket. And kept disappearing and reappearing. It disappeared before I got to my car and then I noticed an old guy appear in a Range Rover behind me in the driveway I was carrying the basket down. I should have seen him as I walked past. He stared at me and the kids showed up.
It was a very fluid dream, like trying to grasp an eel.
I don’t think I remember many dreams where things where appearing and disappearing constantly. Certain objects changed shape too. A car towing a boat became a boat sailing on land.
My dreams don’t tend to be that weird.

 

[NiLda Tri Teresa]

Hey everyone,

I had a strange dream last night, now I've had funky dreams, really strange and emotional nightmares, but this one has been one of the strangest ever and first time I ever have one that felt quite like this one.

Now, most dreams with me tend to have a narrative component, and all events tend to fall in a linear progression of events that either make or don't make sense, but it all moves linearly in time, so to speak.

But last night, my dream had the strangest sensation of being outside of time, or me having a full perception of time being a dimension I could look through in a physical way, if that makes sense.

The way it was experienced was, I was holding a picture frame, that I was unpacking from a wrapper. And as the events in the present were taking place I could see, when I looked to my left, the corresponding events in the past taking place, that is, someone assembling the picture frame, someone putting the picture in the frame, packing it, but these events in the past were directly affecting what I was seeing in the present, as if the present didn't exist until a past had taken place.

But also, the past could not exist, until something in the present had taken place. So both events were directly affecting one another. And there was a dynamic nature to what I was seeing, so if I stopped unwrapping the frame, then the past would change, or stop happening.

I realize the dream itself sounds rather simple and straight forward, however the sensation was that of time being a dimension I could transcend and navigate at will as if it were distance. Past and present weren't then and now, they're were more here and there. I hope that makes sense.

Has anyone ever had a time alteration dream as such? It's probably one of the coolest dreams I've ever had.

Your consciousness has stepped outside the confines of linear time.

The present as a container, where past and present mutually construct each other: cause and effect fused.

Reality doesn't happen "before and after," but all at once, like a painting that unfolds as you look at it.

Being able to see time from the outside is a profound integration: you are remembering that you yourself are the one who frames, observes, and creates the scenes.

 

[loreta]

The way it was experienced was, I was holding a picture frame, that I was unpacking from a wrapper. And as the events in the present were taking place I could see, when I looked to my left, the corresponding events in the past taking place, that is, someone assembling the picture frame, someone putting the picture in the frame, packing it, but these events in the past were directly affecting what I was seeing in the present, as if the present didn't exist until a past had taken place.

But also, the past could not exist, until something in the present had taken place. So both events were directly affecting one another. And there was a dynamic nature to what I was seeing, so if I stopped unwrapping the frame, then the past would change, or stop happening.

I think dreams are wise, and in their own way, they teach us many things, and in your case, it speaks to us about Time. And your dream tells us that time is flexible, alternating. There is no past, present, and future. We are both here and there-. Sometimes everything is unified. If I'm walking down a street and I suddenly smell a perfume, that scent makes me relive the “past”—the scent of perfume I smelled from when I was little, coming to school; it was my teacher's perfume. I am here but also there. I walk in here and now but also there, in a school. There is no boundary, and it's not a souvenir; it's a re-creation and re-appropriation of what we call the past, but which is actually in my memory, outside of time, and it is now, here.

In your case, it was a frame that showed you how it came to be with you, showing you that this present moment—you with the frame—is not fixed, that the process of assembling the frame to reach you is still there, still coming to you. In Proust's work, in Search of the Lost Time, objects also carry this notion that linear time is a lie, that time is in fact not fixed, that time is like a kaleidoscope, fractal. Always here, and always there, and sometimes far away. Becoming aware of this, through an experience whether in present reality or in a dream, is a gift from heaven.

And this gift from heaven is more than that; it's an opening, a knowledge we experience because of this object, how it came to be with you, or in my case, again to live a moment of my childhood when I was so happy to go to school. It's a carrier, this leap through time, of emotions, of feelings, of knowledge that suddenly make sense. It would be interesting to see what emotion you felt seeing the frame in the past. And you in the present. And you, out of time.

 

[Joe]

But also, the past could not exist, until something in the present had taken place. So both events were directly affecting one another. And there was a dynamic nature to what I was seeing, so if I stopped unwrapping the frame, then the past would change, or stop happening.

Cool dream! Sounds like an example of the "observer effect" or the wave/particle business.

 

[Arwenn]

when we look up at stars in the present, we're seeing the light they emitted anywhere from a few years to millions of years ago depending on the distance. I've always been amazed that the present light we see is from the the stars past,

And moreover, that stars and planets are used to predict the future (in terms of astrology). That’s always spun me out.

And cool dream btw Alejo!

 

[Bluegazer]

The way it was experienced was, I was holding a picture frame, that I was unpacking from a wrapper. And as the events in the present were taking place I could see, when I looked to my left, the corresponding events in the past taking place, that is, someone assembling the picture frame, someone putting the picture in the frame, packing it, but these events in the past were directly affecting what I was seeing in the present, as if the present didn't exist until a past had taken place.

But also, the past could not exist, until something in the present had taken place. So both events were directly affecting one another. And there was a dynamic nature to what I was seeing, so if I stopped unwrapping the frame, then the past would change, or stop happening.

I realize the dream itself sounds rather simple and straight forward, however the sensation was that of time being a dimension I could transcend and navigate at will as if it were distance. Past and present weren't then and now, they're were more here and there. I hope that makes sense.

Has anyone ever had a time alteration dream as such? It's probably one of the coolest dreams I've ever had.

That was awesome. I see you experienced an event of retrocausality. Perhaps a glimpse of how the 4th density works.

 

[dennis]

Interesting dream Alejo. A picture frame holds a snapshot of a moment we wish to later remind ourselves. Unwrapping the picture frame is symbolic of opening a "time dimension" kind of thing.
Have you read any of the Dewey Larson reciprocal theory? The Ra material stated that it was a valid theory "as far as it goes" implying that it was incomplete but on the right track.

The Reciprocal System of physical theory (“RS” theory) was created by chemical engineer Dewey B. Larson during the 1940s to 1950s, after noticing that properties of the elements in the Periodic Table could be easily determined if one were to assume that time had three dimensions, instead of one. Larson realized that these three, temporal dimensions had the same properties as our three, conventional spatial dimensions, which led him to the conclusion that there were actually three dimensions of space/time, each dimension of space pairing up with a dimension of time as a ratio. The inverse relation of space to time is what is commonly called speed (miles per hour, meters per second, etc), or in a more general sense, motion. By assuming that motion rather than matter was the actual building block of Nature, he was able to deduce the structure of our physical universe through natural consequences, from the smallest particle to the largest galaxy.

Welcome to the Reciprocal System of theory | Reciprocal System of theory

reciprocalsystem.org

 

[seve]

Mais le passé ne pouvait exister tant qu'un événement du présent ne s'était pas produit. Ainsi, les deux événements s'influençaient mutuellement. Et ce que je voyais était dynamique : si j'arrêtais de dérouler l'image, le passé se modifiait, voire cessait de se produire.

Je me rends compte que le rêve en lui-même paraît assez simple et direct, mais j'avais la sensation que le temps était une dimension que je pouvais transcender et parcourir à volonté, comme s'il s'agissait de distance. Le passé et le présent n'étaient pas alors et maintenant, mais plutôt ici et là. J'espère que c'est clair.

Your transcription of the dream fascinates me. You explained it so well that as I read it, I felt as though I could touch the reality of time. I am impressed, and I believe I have just experienced an expansion of consciousness!

 

[gottathink]

I think the reality we experience is a state, a state of reality that is itself a system. So the system can change states by interventions exerted onto it at any of its reference points.

 

[SasaM]

when we look up at stars in the present, we're seeing the light they emitted anywhere from a few years to millions of years ago depending on the distance. I've always been amazed that the present light we see is from the the stars past, and if only I could bridge the distance, would be able to see the star in its present form and as well. If that makes sense.

What you describe is known as "retarded time" in classical electrodynamics (Wikipedia link). Interestingly, apart from it, there is another mathematically equally valid and equivalent 'solution' called "advanced time", which is automatically rejected out of hand due to contradicting our usual understanding of causality. It can be interpreted that what we observe here and now is a consequence of an effect that is yet to happen x light years away. Which echoes nicely with what Arwenn commented and Bluegazer's use of retrocausality term.

And moreover, that stars and planets are used to predict the future (in terms of astrology). That’s always spun me out.

That was awesome. I see you experienced an event of retrocausality. Perhaps a glimpse of how the 4th density works.

This brought to mind at least two C's references;
- an old one from session 16 Nov 1994:

Q: (L) So, the star expanded and the mother planet was turned into a cinder. If this was the case, it means that it must have turned into a cinder very close to the point, using time loosely, when human beings were created?

A: You can't even use it loosely.

Q: (L) Would you help me out here. I'm trying to figure out why, if that planet was turned into a cinder, why were human beings seeded there... what was the point in being brought into being on a planet that was very shortly to become a cinder... a crispy critter...

A: Okay. Now: "Shocker" For you. It hasn't become a cinder yet.

- and newer from session 6 July 2024:

(PoB) Is it possible to reincarnate in what we perceive as the past?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) Is it possible to reincarnate in what we perceive as the future?

A: Yes

Q: (L) We've already asked: Is it possible to have multiple incarnations simultaneously? And they've said yes. So I mean, kind of like all options are on the table.

(Joe) Well... time and stuff, right?

(L) Time is selective and variable.

The old one is worth reading in its broader session context (quoted at the bottom of the post), IMO, as it touches upon what seeek10 wrote in another thread (quoted below) and exposes just how much out of our ordinary linear conception the thing we call time actually is.

I have a question related to grand cycle. Instead of searching by myself, I chose to use Grok, it went in for a big SPIN.

[...]

I was not convinced, but reminded me of this quote session-18-september-2021

(Ark) Me. I was playing with my model of superluminal communication. I would like to know about this 'We are you in the future'. Can it be said that it's like 100-200 years in the future, or 1000-2000 years, or... Can I have an estimation of how far in the future in numbers? If it can be said. Not exact, but a range.

A: It can vary, but usually under 1k years or too much signal corruption.

I was not sure how to interpret this. I wanted to interpret C's are transmitting from 1K years ahead of us backwards (C's answer seems to be hinting at it). But, in my head there is a weird thought that what if it takes 1000 years for us to become 6D ( due to whatever mechanism universe has).

Q: (L) If the mother planet that the human race was seeded on originally, is burned up, or turned into a cinder, I would like to know how it burned up?

A: Star expanded.

Q: (L) Well, if the star expanded, it must have expanded recently, is that correct?

A: Time does not measure that way in that realm.

Q: (L) What realm is that?

A: Time/space warp.

Q: (L) What do you mean by a time/space warp?

A: Too complicated but you already have some understanding of concept.

Q: (L) So, the star expanded and the mother planet was turned into a cinder. If this was the case, it means that it must have turned into a cinder very close to the point, using time loosely, when human beings were created?

A: You can't even use it loosely.

Q: (L) Would you help me out here. I'm trying to figure out why, if that planet was turned into a cinder, why were human beings seeded there... what was the point in being brought into being on a planet that was very shortly to become a cinder... a crispy critter...

A: Okay. Now: "Shocker" For you. It hasn't become a cinder yet.

Q: (L) Okay. What is it. You told us it was a cinder... burned up... what is the real story here?

A: It will be at the same "time" that you go to 4th density. The human race is currently being formed on D'Ahnkiar.

Q: (L) What do you mean that the human race is currently being formed on that planet? Is that because that planet is this planet?

A: No. That closes realm grand cycle.

Q: (L) Are you saying that there are human beings being created on that planet at this current time...

A: Yes, you are. Your race is forming there.

Q: (L) How?

A: Realm crossing understand?

Q: (L) Are you saying that there are 4th density bodies being formed there...

A: No. 3rd.

Q: (L) There are 3rd density bodies... are we going to leave the bodies we are in and go into other bodies?

A: You are drifting... Think carefully. Realm is derivative of reality. Cycle.

Q: (L) So the human race is being formed on this other planet at the present time...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And at the time of the realm border crossing, this other planet will then become cindered... burned up...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Where will the human beings go that are being formed on that planet at the time of the realm border crossing?

A: Ancient earth.

Q: (L) They will go to ancient earth?

A: There is no time as you know it; its all just lessons for the collective consciousness.

Q: (L) So at the closing of this grand cycle everything will just start all over again?

A: Not exactly; you see, there is no start.

Q: (L) Are a lot of souls on the earth going to recycle into these new bodies coming onto the earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) As ancient mankind?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And do the whole thing all over again?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, a lot of people are going back to square one?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is this punishment.

A: No. Nature.

Q: (L) Are some of the souls, at that point, going to move into a higher density level?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Could you give us a percentage on this?

A: No. Open at this point.

Q: (L) Now, getting back to the planet, if at some point in the cycle, bodies were generated on this planet and brought to earth, who brought them?

A: Realm crossing.

Q: (L) It was not a who, it was a what, is that correct?

A: All is who and what.

Q: (L) Well, the other night you mentioned something about the Transient Passengers hauling these bodies off that planet and bringing them to earth, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, are these Transient Passengers Realms?

A: Yes. So are you.

Q: (L) Do you guys know what you are doing to the linear mind here?

A: Can of worms.