Woodsman said:
Ouspensky's whole direction of exploration (as I've read so far) rests on the idea of time and space as we experience it being entirely a product of our perceptive organs and our ability to conceptualize their input. That there is one reality and we just perceive it as best we can. Change the sense organ, and you change the perception of reality. He makes a compelling case for this.
This is my current understanding. It's all about learning about our biases, and how we automatically correct this information into 'simple' terms.
How we can tune our reading instrument with
guided effort and conscious suffering. How we need others input in order to 'see' what we cannot!
*edit to add*
The sense organ of the 'non-physical' may be 'non-physical', so not measurable by 3D standards.
Woodsman said:
I'm glad somebody else started a discussion thread about that dress, the color of which nobody can settle on. I think it's relevant here.
From that discussion thread, RedFox notes...
RedFox said:
Personally I love optical illusions, because they are good reminders that what we believe may be the truth is not always the case - it's all based on our biases (biological, psychological, emotional etc).
From the article I linked earlier:
Both squares are grey, but you see one as yellow and one as blue. It happens because in both cases you unconsciously correct for what colour you think the source of light is.
We do that all the time to get by in the world: the reason you see a piece of white paper as white regardless of whether you're outside (under the blue sky) or inside (under red-tinted candle light) is because you shift the colour of the paper in your mind back to white – you white balance it. Or in technical terms, you "discount" for the "colour of the illuminant".
In the illusion above, on the left you correct for a light source you think is yellow, making the grey square appear blue. And on the right you do the opposite.
So now to that dress. The key thing is that we are correcting for an imagined light source, just as in the example above. But there are two features of this picture that make it very difficult to interpret, which means people are likely to see it differently.
So here are the two colours from the dress shown on there own - what do those who saw white/gold see now? What happens if you go and look at the dress on the first page?
I didn't dis-believe (I've seen this sort of illusion before), but I still opened it up in Photoshop to measure the colors. It's an amazing thing our brains are doing here. -I'm somewhat annoyed that I cannot see the true grey as it is represented by my monitor; the wavelength which is *actually* there, not the one my mind is inventing for the sake of convenience.
The dress image didn't trick me. -I see the actual colors; light blue and that goldy brown. But still...
In further ruminating over what it means to perceive reality from higher levels of density, -where "right" and "left" no longer hold relevance...
Arguably, subbing in Yellow instead of Gray is a very complicated trick performed by a brain trying to create as accurate an impression of reality as possible despite limiting factors. -Our stereoscopic depth perception is a similarly artificial construct; a gymnastic move performed by our brains to better inform us of reality using limited information. Most of the work is in the 'after-processing' not in the raw data.
I think this is a perfect example of how hard it is to overcome our biases. It may be that the best we can do is become aware of it and consciously correct for these inbuilt biases.
fwiw I can see shades of gray with practice - try un-focusing your eyes slightly.
A: [...] Did you know that there is no "right" or "left" in 4th density through 7th density? If you can picture this exactly, then you may be able to understand the responses to all the questions you are asking. [...]
This raises a few thoughts for me, (they are not wholly complete thoughts, I'm afraid. Such is the nature of this kind of speculative territory)...
1. Seeing reality without Left and Right might be a function of more 'after-processing', in the same way we see yellow which isn't actually yellow.
The Objective Reality (of the photograph) is that the spot "color" is Gray; not Blue or Yellow. Yet, if that cube existed in real space under similar lighting conditions, we would thank our interpretive after-processing powers for giving us a useful reading of the actual colors present.
2. Wishful Thinking at 4th Density STS is reportedly cripplingly easy. If we cannot see gray instead of yellow, (even when I grit my teeth and glare at the image with all my might), then perhaps this implies that extra layers of 'after-processing' may be both useful and detrimental at the same time.
3. If reality actually has no left or right, if such designations are merely artifacts created by our limited perceptive abilities, then what does this suggest?
Here's my current thought process on that, and on how it might be possible to see an object from all sides at once...
3a. Say you are driving down a road and there is an object in your path.
3b. You approach, and then pass the object, allowing the opportunity to see the object from all sides.
3c. Because you are not limited to being aware of only a singular, linear point on your "life-line", your memory and awareness of the 360 degree visual data of the object is immediately accessible and processable. Your 4th Density brain has no trouble synthesizing a useful, all-angles picture of the object for your cognitive convenience.
3d. If this process was a constant, automatic feature of the 4th Density brain, then "Left" and "Right" would naturally cease to exist.
I can *just* about picture that...
I think here we get into the field of information/information theory. All that perceptual information does exist, but how much can we access? How can we learn to access it?
You can conclude that the Work is a way to access it - which may lead into the trap of 'experience' chasing.
That is, it seems important to know the context of the information/perception or you can be overwhelmed and lost in it (lost in illusion).
On perception and 'sensing' things (things that are on the edge of perception)
http://www.sheldrake.org/files/pdfs/papers/JCSpaper1.pdf
The first scientific paper on the sense of being stared at was published in Science
in 1898 by E.B. Titchener, one of the founding fathers of experimental psychology
in the United States. He found that many of his students at Cornell
University firmly believed they could feel when they were being stared at from
behind, or make others turn round by gazing at the backs of their necks.
[..]
After Poortman’s experiment, there was apparently no further research on this
subject until 1978, when Donald Peterson carried out an experiment as a student
project at the University of Edinburgh. The looker sat in a closed booth separated
from the subject by a one-way mirror, and was invisible to the subject. The
results were positive and statistically significant.
A few years later, Linda Williams a student at the University of Adelaide,
Australia found a statistically significant effect when a person in a different room
looked at the subject through closed circuit television (Williams, 1983).
Perhaps we can assume that dogs and cats have the same 'sense' of 'something' when it comes to depth perception.
That its on the edge of their awareness -
the edge of their ability to process and interpret the information in complex '3D' ways.
http://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=Collinear_wave_reading_consciousness_unit
Collinear wave reading consciousness unit
The Cassiopaeans propose that there is a para-physical realm that is another layer in the structure of space-time from which our own reality is projected. It is a world of the future that creates our present by projecting itself into the past – a hyperdimensional reality where mental energies or consciousness energies are amplified and can be interactive with the environment…a state of being that has been reported as being the "realm of the Gods".
Many physicists say that all that really exists are "wave forms" and that humans are wave forms of reality and our consciousness is something that “reads waves”. We give form and structure to the waves we "read" according to some agreed upon convention. It may be that the perceptions of these levels of reality and their "consciousness units" are what is behind many religious conceptions and mythological representations of "gods and goddesses" and a myriad of both positive and negative creatures. It seems that our reality is controlled from this hyperdimensional space of which we have limited awareness and access. What option we do have is to choose our alignment and prepare ourselves for the emanations that are traveling "downward" to be better received.
Human beings exist to transduce cosmic energies of creation via organic life. A human being seems to be a transducing unit with a "lens capacity". The process of Ascension begins with the choice of tuning the lens. If the individual chooses to "adjust the dial" to see the entire field of Thought Centers influencing creation, he can then begin to select those that enhance and enliven Creation and Being – the Thought Centers of Awakened Consciousness – then a feedback loop that selects that probable future will be established.
As this process continues, as the feedback loop is activated between the Cosmic Observer and the transducing/actions of the creature – the organic unit, the transducing organ strengthens and the exchange between it and the Cosmic Observer accelerates and intensifies. The transducing organ then begins to act as a homing beacon for greater levels of the chosen Thought Center energy – that observer from the future.
In the development of such a feedback loop, the human being – as a conduit of creation, a vessel – becomes an active participant of the creation of his own FUTURE in the act of choosing which observation platform and scope he accepts as “real” – objective or subjective. Furthermore, as the energy of such a being is changed and enhanced by the “flow of cosmic energy” passing through him, as he perceives more and more of the creative expressions of Infinite Potential and chooses those he wishes to align with he becomes collinear with those other expressions of Being - other organic units that may be quite different in make-up, but similarly aware of Infinite Potential – and us thus able to interact with them in a manner that further expands and commutates the energies of transducing.
What I'm sticking on now is that the C's described "zones" in the U.S. which were slipping into 4D, where when you drive, you can't sense left or right anymore, 4D bleed-through, etc.
This would seem to fly in the face of the "It's all in our minds" idea that time and space awareness is purely an after effect of our sense organs and software, so to speak. What the C's describe would seem to indicate that there is ALSO a physical, environmental aspect which is independent of our brains, which is either one density or another. -Put a 3D brain into a 4D space, and you get 4D perceptions.
Perhaps the above explains that? I'm not going to speculate about what the "zones" may be though.
I think Laura's "Knowledge and Being" videos would be worth reviewing.
So perception should reflect the ability to make decisions based on what we perceive, and those perceptions and choices should be tuned based on objective feedback and networking.
Hence forcing changes in perception from the desire to chase such things circumvents the core lesson, choice and choosing objectively.
Or to put that another way - you suddenly find yourself with 4D perception and no way to navigate/comprehend - you become 'food' for something else.
I have wondered for many years if memory isn't just our awareness shifting to the past - like remote viewing. This theoretically makes sense if you take someone like Laura who has a photographic memory (of the past) and who can (through tuning) talk to herself in the future. Perhaps they are the same thing?
Think about the average fuzziness of memory and the interference of 'reading the future'.
Adding to the concept of interference, think about how easily 'coincidences' can be setup by 4D STS in order to trap us in illusion and feed off our fixation on a lie.
Our inbuilt biases to avoid pain and seek pleasurable chemicals.
Getting trapped in entropic addictions vs conscious (painful) suffering based on understanding, choice and
aim in order to change and
grow.
And with that growth, new perceptions appear.
With new perception, more information can be received. The information is 'finer' i.e. like being stared at through a one way mirror.
Because it is 'finer' it is subject to more noise, distortion, biases and outside manipulation.
Hence why it generally only becomes available as you clear, correct and become aware of those.
So what is time and 'now'?
It's most likely our current perceptual limit, based on what lessons (level of fine tuning) we need to learn.
It's all we need where we are in order to develop - if we have the correct understanding of 'what we are looking at'.
To me it's part of the walls and decor of the school we are in, as well as how the lessons and information is delivered. It's part of a bigger picture.
