Train derailments and explosions and chemical spills

You realize I was an explosive ordnance disposal guy in the Navy right? The reason you detonate a “bomb” as you call it on an oil well fire that’s burning off the natural gas is to get rid of the flames. The detonation consumes all the oxygen in the area which breaks the flame, so afterward you still have an oil well spewing natural gas and oil. But it’s not on fire so now you can cap it.

Is that an appeal to authority I see ?

You think that I don't know the mechanism of what is going on in that video ? Well you are wrong again. I wouldn't have posted it if I did not. I'm in petroleum industry where we need to get involved in various things, which includes thermodynamic as well as putting out gas/oil well fires. But the point stands, a bomb does not guarantee ignition in the condition those tanks were. UNLESS you have facts to prove otherwise, because your appeal to authority proves nothing.

If you use explosives on vinyl chloride you might get a sympathetic detonation
That somewhat less certain than what you said before
Which yes, a bomb could always initiate vinyl chloride. So strike 3, the guy should just stick to his day job of raising daffodils….

Yet you go and bash the guy for saying " “I’m not sure a bomb could have initiated it”.", which clearly leaves the possibility that it could happen. Man. that's might rich.
 
You have to find the source. Here’s what was said, they tested air levels that are similar to other cities. All you’re doing is spreading hysteria. The guy you quoted did the typical thing of cherry picking data to increase panic.


Now if you don’t agree with that, ok. But there’s no alarm from their findings. In fact it coincides with what the C’s said that things would get better with time.
 
DOES BURNING VINYL CHLORIDE CREATE DIOXINS?

Linda Birnbaum, a leading dioxins researcher, toxicologist and former director of the National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences, said that burning vinyl chloride does create dioxins.
Other experts agreed the accident could have created them.

The “tremendous black plume” seen at East Palestine suggests the combustion process left lots of complex carbon compounds behind, said Murray McBride, a Cornell University soil and crop scientist.

 
Here’s some context regarding dioxins and their persistence in the environment and how they spread and do damage. One of the largest sources of dioxins are incinerators or burning trash piles, particularly ones containing plastic. There’s roughly 1.1 billion tons of trash burned that way worldwide according to this article, that’s a lot of persistent toxins.


Here’s the CDC blurb on them. One thing to note is that they bioaccumulate because they dissolve in fats and humans get them when they consume animals exposed.


Now as far as the danger, it’s all long term and you can’t really totally predict where they will end up once they’re introduced. There was a study done on them in the Arctic where the sources were modeled using the NOAA Hysplit model. The short answer is that dioxins essentially get distributed across the planet from point sources due to atmospheric circulation, so the 1.1 billion tons of backyard trash being burnt each year is contributing much more than what may have happened in Ohio.


The last article is the best one to read for anyone who wants a fast understanding of the dioxin problem.
 
OK, how about another theory that it was an entirely different chemical than vinyl chloride being carried by the train. Kerry Cassidy did an interview with Dr. Robert O. Young (who's a big No Virus proponent, so ... ), but he does bring up the train route from the Dow-Specrtulite-Mallinckrodt Toxic Waste Sites. From Dr. Young's document, The 4 Horsemen of The Apocalypse Have Been Set Loose On East Palestine Ohio & Beyond!:
The source of the liquid cargo or chemical weapons came from Madison, Illinois, a so-called shut-down uranium-rod production facility of the infamous Dow-Mallinckrodt Chemical Company (of Agent Orange notoriety), more recently operating under the cover name of Spectrulite.
These four toxic/acidic chemicals were part of the illegal chemical weapons hidden in Madison, Illinois, across the Mississippi River from St. Louis, the home of the implicated Mallinckrodt Pharmaceutical and Chemical Weapons Supplier. The chlorine-based compound inside, not five suspected tanker cars but 16 tanker cars that were falsely described by the EPA and Norfolk Rail as “vinyl chloride”, a rather innocuous substance, in a cover-up of the actual content of highly volatile vinylidene chloride and the Unholy Trinity of nerve gas killing agents of warfare - sarin, tabun and VX called organophosphates, which were redacted from the EPA manifest of burnt cargo at East Palestine, Ohio planned disaster.
The vinylidene chloride, is a powerful oxidizing agent and also known as 1,1 Dichloroethene which was used by Dow-Mallinckrodt to clean uranium fuel rods for nuclear reactors at the Madison, Illinois facility, where it has since been stored in steel holding tanks.
The detection of phosgene (10 times more toxic than chlorine gas) in the black cloud of smoke over the East Palestine, Ohio burn pit indicated the chemical content of the sixteen mysterious tanker cars, which was NOT vinyl chloride as falsely claimed by Dow-Spectrulite Chemical, Mallinckrodt Pharmaceutical, Norfolk Southern Transit and the EPA but actually comprised of the more volatile vinylidene dichloride (H2C=CCl2), a molecule containing carbon (C) and two chlorine particles (Cl, the latter lower case L should not to be confused for the numeral 1 or letter I).
The carbon element in vinylidene increases volatility/flammability during exposure to heat (which the end tanker car was on fire 20 miles before derailment).
The disproportionate mass of the chlorine particle, as compared with the lighter elements, enables it to break free of its bonds. The atomic weight of chlorine is 35.45 or three times that of carbon at 12, and hydrogen at a mere 1.0.

The imbalance in atomic weight means that the volatile chlorine can break loose from its micro-electromagnetic bonds to become a free-ranging radical/oxidant, generating heat of explosive power during inter-molecular collisions, especially when agitated.

The capture of the oxygen component from the air, during the final step of self-synthesis of the highly toxic/acidic compound phosgene, results in intense oxidation, aka burning, as seen at East Palestine’s infamous trench of hell and brimstone.
The violent flames and towering black smoke is the vinylidene dichloride created phosgene which has led to the harmful effects now and in the near future for any and all humans and animals who were exposed or will be exposed (1200 miles North, East and South) to the chemically laden fumes and smoke (over 45,000 wild animals and birds from 5500 species were reportedly killed, and many local residents have been suffering and will suffer from phosgene poisoning aka chemical poisoning from the Norfolk - EPA hell pit burn) of vinylidene dichloride affecting their blood and respiratory systems!
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Despite mass media ignorance and denial of toxic acidic smoke of nano and micro dust particles, act as a "precipitation nuclei" to which molecules of water in the atmosphere attach and aggregate to form acid rain drops of phosgene from vinylidene dichloride.

Phosgene is the organic chemical compound with the formula COCl₂. It is a toxic, colorless gas; in low concentrations, its musty odor resembles that of freshly cut hay or grass. It can be thought of as formaldehyde with the hydrogen atoms replaced by chlorine atoms.

It is classified as a Schedule 3 substance under the Chemical Weapons Convention.

In addition small amounts occur from the breakdown and the combustion of organochlorine compounds, such as the poisonous agent chloroform.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administrations (NOAA) on February 8th, 2023 charted the phosgene poisoning from East Palestine, Ohio heading east to New York, north to Quebec, Canada and south to Virginia.

What was the orange train car doing off the track at the exact site of the derailment?

The Pre-Placed Orange Train Car on FIRE at the EXACT East Palestine Derailment Site!
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The intended destination of the train:
The train was headed to the Norfolk Southern Transfer railyard in Beaver County, Pennsylvania. The sixteen unmarked highly toxic/acidic tanker cars would have then been transferred and taken to the Edgewood Chemical Weapons Arsenal, located on the U.S. Army's Aberdeen Proving Ground, fronting Chesapeake Bay north of Baltimore, Maryland.

And then the same allegation as Yoichi Shimatsu that was posted previously:

Did YOU know that only a single liquid tanker car was detected to be overheating?

Why would the other 15 tanker cars have to be set afire?

The executive office has been caught red-handed preparing and planning chemical warfare activities against International law in Ukraine and Russia with vinylidene dichloride made into pure chlorine and/or phosgene and at least three other toxic/acidic nerve gas warfare compounds, including sarin, tabun and VX which would then be delivered by Quad-propeller drones (seen below) with up to a 3 meter wingspan which can deliver a chemical load of up to a quarter U.S. ton or 0.225 metric Euro ton, approximately 50 gallons.

I guess all we really know for sure was that the derailment was intentional and the chemical detected in the air is Acrolein according to independent testing by Carnegie Mellon University.
 
OK, how about another theory that it was an entirely different chemical than vinyl chloride being carried by the train. Kerry Cassidy did an interview with Dr. Robert O. Young (who's a big No Virus proponent, so ... ), but he does bring up the train route from the Dow-Specrtulite-Mallinckrodt Toxic Waste Sites. From Dr. Young's document, The 4 Horsemen of The Apocalypse Have Been Set Loose On East Palestine Ohio & Beyond!:







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The intended destination of the train:


And then the same allegation as Yoichi Shimatsu that was posted previously:


I guess all we really know for sure was that the derailment was intentional and the chemical detected in the air is Acrolein according to independent testing by Carnegie Mellon University.
Sarin, Tabun and VX gas were supposedly on that train…. Yet not one person died of nerve gas poisoning? Geezus….. where these lunatics come up with their concocted theories is beyond me, but it doesn’t take much to figure out it’s garbage.
 

Ohio law enforcement links Erin Brockovich to potential for 'special interest terrorism' threat in East Palestine​

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Ohio law enforcement issued a report late last month warning that events planned in East Palestine by the environmental activist Erin Brockovich could prompt a terrorist threat from violent extremists, according to an intelligence bulletin obtained by Yahoo News.

Dated Feb. 24 and distributed to law enforcement agencies by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Ohio Statewide Terrorism Analysis & Crime Center Terrorism Analysis Unit Situational Awareness [STACC TAU] report obtained by Yahoo News "assesses that special interest extremist groups will continue to call for changes in governmental policy, which may lead to protests in/around East Palestine and/or at the Statehouse in Columbus.”

The report then singles out the reaction by Brockovich, a whistleblower who helped build a successful lawsuit against the California utility company Pacific Gas and Electric in a case involving contaminated groundwater, to the Feb. 3 train derailment and release of toxic chemicals in East Palestine.

“On 24 February, environmental activist Erin BrockovichUSPER [United States person] is scheduled to be in East Palestine to explain residents’ legal rights. Brokovich has urged the community to use common sense and ask questions. Brockovich is also placing blame solely on Norfolk Southern.The STACC TAU assess this event could potentially increase tensions within the community.”

The report assesses the risk posed by Brockovich and other activist groups that have planned events in East Palestine in the wake of the Norfolk Southern train derailment and the controlled burn of vinyl chloride, a carcinogenic ingredient used in the production of plastic products after the derailment.

“According to the FBI, special interest terrorism differs from traditional right-wing and left-wing terrorism in that extremist special interest groups seek to resolve specific issues, rather than effect widespread political change,” the report states. “Such extremists conduct acts of politically motivated violence to force segments of society, including the general public, to change attitudes about issues considered important to the extremists’ cause.”

An aerial shot shows about a dozen rail cars, packed together and still smoking, after the derailment.

Drone footage shows the freight train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, on Feb. 6. (NTSB Gov/Handout via Reute
Brockovich, who was played by the actress Julia Roberts in the 2000 film named after her, was in East Palestine on Thursday afternoon to host an event. She did not immediately respond to Yahoo News’ request for comment.


This situational awareness report is highly problematic, said former FBI agent Mike German, who worked on a recent Brennan Center report about issues with DHS fusion centers.

“Obviously, there is no reason to have included Erin Brockovich's name or a description of her advocacy in a law enforcement intelligence report, much less a ‘situational awareness’ report by a state fusion center's terrorism analysis unit,” German told Yahoo News. “Almost all of the activity described in this report is rightly protected by the First Amendment and poses no threat of harm, and therefore should be of no interest to terrorism intelligence units.”

Contacted by Yahoo News, the Ohio Department of Public Safety denied that it had issued a report identifying Brockovich as a possible terrorist threat.

“Erin Brokovich is listed as an ‘environmental activist’ and the brief mention of her falls under the heading of ‘various individuals or groups have responded to the train derailment,’” the Ohio Department of Public Safety’s Jay Carey told Yahoo News in an email. “The fact that she is an ‘environmental activist’ that has ‘responded to the train derailment’ is factual and has been well documented by media accounts. Any inference otherwise is incorrect.”

DHS posted the report on its intelligence sharing platform on Feb. 28, making it available to its more than 150,000 local, state and federal police and other partners nationwide.

“Fusion Centers are state and locally owned and operated centers that actively share, analyze, and operationalize threat-related information between federal, state, local, tribal, territorial, and private sector partners,” a DHS spokesperson said in an emailed statement to Yahoo News. “DHS supports Fusion Centers through the presence of DHS personnel and information sharing technology, but DHS does not run or operate Fusion Centers.”

The report also referred to the environmental group Earthjustice, which, it stated “called on Governor DeWineUSPER to declare a state of emergency," pointing to the "contaminated waterways" and subsequent deaths of thousands of fish.

In an auditorium filled with people, Erin Brockovich sits in one of the front rows speaking to residents.

Environmental activist Erin Brockovich, right front, speaks to concerned residents as the host of a town hall meeting at East Palestine High School on Thursday. (Michael Swensen/Getty Images)
“Earthjustice works with communities across the country to protect people’s health,” Debbie Chizewer, managing attorney for Earthjustice’s Midwest Regional office, told Yahoo News.

“In East Palestine, Earthjustice is supporting partners that have been exposed to toxic chemicals as they call for much needed resources, monitoring, cleanup of the contamination, as well as protections to prevent disasters like the explosion of a chemical-carrying cargo train in the future.”

The report obtained by Yahoo News stated that East Palestine police and fire department officials reported having received threats but had determined they were not credible. It was not clear, however, why they were mentioned in the report.

“This report should not have described any noncriminal activity, particularly after it stated that the terrorism analysis unit is ‘unaware of any credible direct threats regarding the East Palestine train derailment,’” German said. “This flawed reporting only clogs our national intelligence networks with inappropriate materials that undermine effective counterterrorism and law enforcement analysis, by overwhelming intelligence analysts with unhelpful misinformation that dulls the response to genuine threat warnings.”

Former DHS Acting Undersecretary John Cohen agreed that the inclusion of Brockovich’s name was, as he put it, “a bit problematic,” and said that law enforcement needed to be more careful in describing what is and is not considered a threat.

“When reporting on online or other activity that may be protected speech, authorities need to be very clear how that speech relates to threat-related activities or other public safety issues,” Cohen told Yahoo News. “It’s fine to catalog what different people are saying, but from a law enforcement perspective, they need to be clear where there is a nexus with the need for an operational response.”
 
Has anyone seen any environmental groups protesting the big railroad companies to "Stop Polluting the Environment" ?
It seems to be All Is Silent On The Western Front :whistle:

But watch how active is this group so that we stop eating meat to save the planet from climate warming, oops it's now climate change.

It's strange, because those Eco Warriors in the US have plenty of reason to be out there in front of these corporation head offices. But they are not.


If you are not in the US this video basically summarizes what's in the article.


Here is part II of Mr. Duddy's Chemocide.
At 5:22 min "The Big Lie" is heard.

 
Text below is from the National Justice Party who have been showing up in East Palestine and pressuring government and industry officals. I think they're pro-white, which is why I haven't posted them before...not sure if they're labled radical. The link they provided is from a local radio station.

Reading the article, it seems residents have to jump thru a few hoops to get assistance, and the squeaky wheel definitely gets the grease (meaning they have to press to get the kind of help/residence they need):

Norfolk Southern finally sent a representative to a town hall in East Palestine.

At this town hall the EPA told residents they should avoid planting a garden, at least for the time being.

Norfolk Southern has also agreed to pay for temporary relocation during the clean up process. Not exactly sure what strings are attached, but pressuring these people is working.

 
Short summary of recent events:

03.02.23 - derailment of a train with dangerous chemicals, Ohio;
06.02.23 - fire at a chemical plant, Illinois;
13.02.23 - fire at a garbage recycling plant, Florida (hazardous substances were stored on the territory);
13.02.23 - 2 train derailments, South Carolina and Texas;
02/16.23 - fire at a factory in Kissimmee, Florida;
02/16.23 - fire at the filling terminal, Oklahoma;
02/17.23 - fire at a hazardous waste storage and processing facility, Massachusetts;
02/20.23 - explosion at a metal and paint factory, Ohio;
02/21/2013 - explosion at an aluminum tank production and repair facility, Florida;
02/23/13 - helicopter crash in Arkansas, 5 biosafety experts killed;
02/28.23 - freight train derailment, Florida;
01.03.23 - explosion at the production of metal structures in Cleveland;
01.03.23 - unknown chemical leak, Wisconsin;
05.03.23 - train wreck, Ohio.
 
Text below is from the National Justice Party who have been showing up in East Palestine and pressuring government and industry officals. I think they're pro-white, which is why I haven't posted them before...not sure if they're labled radical. The link they provided is from a local radio station.

Reading the article, it seems residents have to jump thru a few hoops to get assistance, and the squeaky wheel definitely gets the grease (meaning they have to press to get the kind of help/residence they need):

Norfolk Southern finally sent a representative to a town hall in East Palestine.

At this town hall the EPA told residents they should avoid planting a garden, at least for the time being.


Norfolk Southern has also agreed to pay for temporary relocation during the clean up process. Not exactly sure what strings are attached, but pressuring these people is working.

It looks like Norfolk is in full control. EPA can make noise about setting up an office there etc., but that is all for show. They will drag this out hoping people just give up.

The mayor of East Palestine gives me bad vibes when watching him in the clips that are in the video Chemocide 2.
That he even thinks that a $1000 offer from Norfolk is reasonable is simply ridiculous in a situation where the scale of the accident is historic. I suspect he was just an errand boy for Norfolk that day, because if he had a spine he would have told Norfolk to stuff it.

This reminds me Notre-Dame de Paris Cathedral fire. They talked about "thorough investigation", money to rebuild, final report said it was a cigarette .... CASE CLOSED.
Same I thing I think will happen here.
 
FROM March 3:
BREAKING: A temporary dam erected by Norfolk Southern in #EastPalestineOH —with contaminated water—is overflowing AGAIN where Leslie Run and Sulphur Run creeks meet. There are 5 water wells in close proximity drawing from groundwater. This is at edge of East Palestine City Park.

The flooding is going into The Original Roadhouse restaurant parking lot where a lot of locals eat and drink. Pics taken by local resident Neko Figley, who posted on Facebook that he was told by contractors to leave because it was “super dangerous to be here right now.”

 
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