Well his name is Stephen E. Petty, a true warrior fighting for the Truth to be known.
It is not surprising to me that this man would be willing to go up against the "official" testers such as EPA. Listen to this
By means of a variety of analytical techniques, the combustion profile of vinyl chloride monomer (VCM) has been determined. This profile includes flame temperatures, soot content, and a combustion gas analysis. Depending on the amount of VCM-air premixing prior to combustion, the temperature of a VCM flame ranges from 950° to 1466°C. Similarly, the soot or unburned carbon content of a VCM flame varies from 3 to 6 weight percent. An analysis of the combustion gases from VCM reveal the following composition: HCl 27,000 ppm; CO2 58,100 ppm; CO 9500 ppm; phosgene 40 ppm; and VCM trace. From a hazard standpoint, the gross quantity of hydrogen chloride is the main source of danger in a VCM fire.
DIOXIN AND FURAN RESIDUES IN WOOD MICE (APODEMUS SYLVATICUS) FOLLOWING A LARGE SCALE POLYVINYL CHLORIDE (PVC) FIRE
A forest ecosystem was contaminated as a result of a fire involving 600t of PVC. A wide range of 2,3,7,8-substituted dioxin and furan congeners were elevated (by up to 4-fold) on soil adjacent to the factory compared to a site 200 m from the factory perimeter. Livers of wood mice (Apodemus sylvaticus) caught on these areas were also analysed for dioxins and furans. Toxic equivalents (TEQs) were 9-fold higher in wood mice caught on the site 10 m from the factory perimeter compared with the site 200m from the perimeter, with individual 2,3,7,8- substituted congeners being elevated by up to 30-fold. Wood mouse liver TEQs were found to be highly correlated with cadmium kidney concentrations, cadmium also being found at elevated concentrations at the accident site. There was also a significant positive correlation between wood mouse liver TEQs and relative liver weights (wet weights expressed as a percentage of total body weight). The results of this study are discussed in the wider context of dioxin contamination in the environment.
© 1997 Elsevier Science Ltd
The fire at the plastics recycling plant caused pollution with dioxins and furans, which were taken into the wood mouse food-chain, resulting in high liver residues. These residues appeared to cause increased relative liver weight compared with animals caught on a relatively uncontaminated site, indicating that the dioxin and furan levels in the livers may have resulted in physiological damage.
benkostka, what do you think about this manifest, PVC and dioxin?Sorry if this was already on some page in this thread. Listening to Dr. Lee Merritt in an interview 3 days ago, it seems to me there is a bit of a problem with "They burned vinyl chloride". That's not the whole story WHICH IS REPEATED nearly everywhere. This then leads to statements "Oh, it's not as bad as it seems.". I beg to differ.
Here are sections of the manifest found on EPA website.
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Combustion of Vinyl Chloride is given as,
But in the manifest there is also "Polyvinyl". For some strange reason they did not use the scientific name but the colloquial one.
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Notice the information on the far right.
Here's a research paper that looked at a fire in UK involving Polyvinyl Chloride products.
This is the Devil they don't want to talk about !!!!!
I don’t know if it’s PVC, as that’s the end polymer typically and there’s lots of different types. Burning PVC will definitely produce dioxins but I don’t know if that actually happened here. My instinct is that there wasn’t much dioxin produced, but that’s based on the C’s saying that things would get better with time. Typically with dioxins that doesn’t happen, take a look at the Love Canal site in New York if you’re curious.benkostka, what do you think about this manifest, PVC and dioxin?
"There was a serious electrical contingency, as reported by Transener, due to a fire a 500 kV Campana-Rodriguez line went out. Simultaneously, Atucha I (causes are being investigated) and other power generation plants, such as Central Puerto, were disconnected", official sources pointed out, explaining that these plants are working, but were disconnected from the system as part of a control mechanism.
To understand the magnitude of the blackout, one figure is worthwhile: of the 26,000 MW of demand at the time of the incident, a high level due to the high temperatures, more than 9,000 MW went out of service, as explained by the Undersecretary of Electric Energy, Santiago Yanotti. This drop of more than a third of the demand meant that almost 20 million users were without electricity.
After 6:30 p.m. the service began to be restored in different areas of the country. According to CAMMESA, the wholesale electricity company, "it is working quickly" to normalize the situation. Thus, partial outages were solved in Chubut in the north of Santa Cruz. Service was also resumed in the 500 kV Río Santa Cruz - Esperanza line, which allowed reducing outages in the south of the Patagonian province.
In Mendoza, a province that was without electric service in a large part of its territory, service outages at the Río Diamante station, linked to the national interconnection system, were solved.
At the same time, messages from users commenting on the resumption of the electric service gradually began to appear on social networks, especially in different neighborhoods of the Buenos Aires suburbs.
On the other hand, after 7:30 p.m. it was reported that all 500 kV lines that are part of the Argentine Interconnection System (SADI), the network of high voltage lines that connects all the regions of Argentina, were back in service.
Why it happened
The reasons for the fire, which originated in fields and affected high voltage pylons, are not known for the moment. "The center of the country is off: Córdoba, Santa Fe, La Rioja, Tucumán", they explained. The causes of the original failures in the national interconnected system will be investigated by the Energy Secretariat, in charge of Flavia Royón. "They are working quickly to solve this issue", said the agency.
Regarding the fire, Santiago Yanotti, Undersecretary of Electric Energy, said: "it could be intentional or not, I don't know". "That line runs throughout the country, from Yacyretá to Patagonia. We have had an attack in the south of the country recently. It could be that the fire occurred due to the high temperature or that someone recklessly burned pastures," he said.
Based on what was previously shown, one has to wonder what exactly caused that explosion
There is nothing to wonder about. The information is either in my posts or out there in the Net.
Governors DeWine of Ohio and Shapiro of Pennsylvania GAVE THE GO AHEAD to light the whole thing utilizing the word "controlled" as a cover. This is a fact. Since nothing blew up from Feb. 3 to Feb. 6th, I am willing to make a huge wager that nothing would have blown up from the 6th to infinity.
To do what they did they had to rupture the tanks because as we see in the video I posted and others right after the crash AND UNTIL Feb. 6, the fires were small.
The two governors are the ones who gave the signal to make it a HUGE FIRE. Using words like "controlled" is pure BS for the lemmings who have not followed this (majority) and have not looked closely at the situation on the ground.
Well this guy is a clown. First off he doesn’t realize that the MSDS sheet will be the same everywhere for vinyl chloride. It’s a standardized system used worldwide, in the United States the authority who oversees the MSDS, now called SDS or Safety Data Sheet is OSHA. So strike one for this guy…Well, I think this man knows what he is talking about
His's reasoning explains why for 3 days there was NO EXPLOSION.
The Big Excuse for the "uncontrolled burn".
Insulting someone is anything but a good form of argument. Obviously something triggered you on an emotional level because what you point out is NO MAJOR ISSUE. I'm not going to waste the time looking for this, but someone did notice that the EPA changed certain chemical classification documentation a short time before the accident happened. Was it a coincidence ? Who knows, I'm no God. However we do have an excellent example of how the definition of pandemic and vaccine was conveniently changed at the right time to "help the people'.Well this guy is a clown. First off he doesn’t realize that the MSDS sheet will be the same everywhere for vinyl chloride. It’s a standardized system used worldwide, in the United States the authority who oversees the MSDS, now called SDS or Safety Data Sheet is OSHA. So strike one for this guy…
I'll take the high road.Next he talks about vinyl chloride combustion, he even shows the products of the combustion but then somehow adds in dioxins. Now combustion breaks things down, so how you can go from a 6 atom molecule of vinyl chloride to an incredibly complex molecule like dioxin through combustion is beyond me. If you burn PVC, sure because it’s a polymer, but not vinyl chloride…. So strike two for Mr. Chemistry.
"Dioxin" is a term for a family of persistent chemicals (i.e., substances that do not break down chemically or break down very slowly) that are created through various natural and synthetic processes including incineration, forest fires, metal smelting and certain industrial operations involving chlorine and other organic compounds. Because chlorine can be found almost everywhere on earth (e.g. in salt), dioxin will be formed when most things burn, including wood, food, garbage and vinyl.
"The word polymer comes from the Greek "poly" (many) and "mer" (part). Therefore, a polymer is a compound with many parts. In reality, a polymer is a long-chained molecule composed of many smaller parts called monomers ("mono" is Greek for one). Monomers, however, are able to hook together into long chains of hundreds or thousands of parts. Such hooking is called polymerization.
In polymerization, monomers - which have double bonds - are broken down by heat or chemical reaction to single bonds. The single bonds attach to each other creating the self-reaction, which in turn creates the long chained polymer. This reaction usually takes place in a reactor vessel in a chemical plant under controlled conditions. But it can also take place during transportation or in storage, creating a hazard for emergency responders."
As far as the manifest, I mentioned it in my post above. The car that the wheel bearing blew up on was a hopper car full of plastic pellets, there were 3 more of those hopper cars and then 4 tanker cars full of vinyl chloride. It could have been much worse if those plastic pellet cars caught on fire and then caused the vinyl chloride tanks to explode, thankfully that didn’t happen.
It is obvious that dioxin formation occurred at temperatures above 450'C and was reduced significantly at temperatures above 850 degrees C. The reaction occurring in an incinerator is extremely complex, and there are many factors in addition to combustion temperature influencing dioxin formation. Even though it is possible to hypothesize reasonable formation mechanisms of dioxins produced in exhaust gases according to the results obtained from experiments in classical chemistry, the reactions involved in an incinerator are extremely complex and heterogeneous. More detailed investigation of the many individual factors influencing dioxin formation is needed to find ways to reduce their formation in individual and municipal incinerators.
Putting on a lab coat is an issue. Give Me A Break !!!!So then he dons his white lab coat to give us all a lecture on thermodynamics…. Instead of focusing on the possible polymerization of the vinyl chloride, which was the explosive hazard, he instead talks about the Joule Expansion, which has zero bearing upon the problem. But then, for anyone
That's his opinion.who has dealt with explosives…. He just makes the dumbest comment possible. “I’m not sure a bomb could have initiated it”. Which yes, a bomb could always initiate vinyl chloride. So strike 3, the guy should just stick to his day job of raising daffodils….
There’s more, but that’s enough. Add in the background music of constant doom and it’s no wonder people fall for this crap.
You realize I was an explosive ordnance disposal guy in the Navy right? The reason you detonate a “bomb” as you call it on an oil well fire that’s burning off the natural gas is to get rid of the flames. The detonation consumes all the oxygen in the area which breaks the flame, so afterward you still have an oil well spewing natural gas and oil. But it’s not on fire so now you can cap it.What happens when a "bomb" is detonated above an even more flammable liquid than vinyl chloride
Red Adair Putting Out an Oil Well with an Explosion