Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

[iamthatis]

The C's were definitely spot on - things sure are thrilling! And in that context, it'd probably be good to remember that any time Trump makes some outrageous claim, like the Gaza thing, it can't be taken at face value as what he actually thinks, or what he's actually planning. He's still basically in Art of the Deal mode, with some 'madman strategy' thrown in for fun/to keep his enemies guessing.

 

[Aeneas]

Finally someone is proposing something new that could make a huge difference to Palestinians in terms of aid and stopping that horrible massacre. What Trump proposes could also be (or become) problematic for Israel. There might be more behind it.

I don't know for sure, but it could prevent all of them from being slaughtered and starved to death, or continuing to endure severe ongoing torture at the hands of Israeli psychopaths. If that's the choice - and it seems to me that Trump has made this choice possible - then one can conceivably see how, although it is definitely ethnic cleansing and therefore not great, relocating the Palestinians out of the open-air concentration camp of Gaza would also be potentially life-saving.

It could prevent them from being slaugtered and starved to death by Israel and with US weapons. Well, that is true. But who is villain in this and who is the victim? The bombs which Trump mentioned as being scattered all over the place and the bombs used to level it to the ground were US weapons. Wouldn't an easier alternative be to stop funding Israel, full stop? Or is that proposal not realistic? In other words is that why it is not considered. If that is not realistic, then we can't really chastice the Biden administration. Perhaps they felt it wasn't realistic to stop the unending arms flow.

But acting for the wellbeing of the Palestinians cannot and should not wait until Israel receives its reckoning, by either human or cosmic forces.

But do we really know what Palestinians want. Do we not consider the question of 'free will' and violation of free will?

All the more reason not to wait. One way to destroy evil is to reduce the human suffering serving as its food supply.

Again, what about free will and determining the needs of another? Yes, the Palestinians want this hell to stop, but it is a hell facilitated by Israel and the US. To repeat as mentioned before, if the US stopped financial and military aid to Israel, this hell would stop. Not before. It type of deal can set a precedent so like if Israel continues to bomb Lebanon for example and levelling it to the ground with US weapons and support, would the solution then be to relocate the Lebanese people to neighbouring countries, while the US takes over to build more real estate? Next it could be Denmark. Drop a few bombs and tell the freaked out Danes to just move to Sweden and Norway. It would be a neat solution which automatically would hand over Greenland.

Another aspect of this is the question of meaning, which Victor Frankl talked about in his book, In Search of Meaning. A person without meaning is lost. Let us imagine that the Palestinians are forced to move and come into some housing in Texas where there are no bombs dropping on their heads. Will they now be happy or will they not lack any meaning in life as they are uprooted from their ancestral land. Some will rather have discomfort and meaning rather than a meaningless life in comfort. For a materialist, living in a house (or a refugee camp) must surely beat living in destitution in a war ravaged area.

Perhaps the people who prefer to stay despite this 'generous' offer are more of the mind set that we are first and foremost souls and that the bodies are only temporary. They would certainly have had a lot of experience with death and seen it in its many manifestations. So the prospect of death is not going to be so much of a factor in their deliberations.

I am aware of what the C's have said about the destruction of Israel and which some have taken to be a reason as to why Trump is proposing this and thus save their lives. Perhaps that is the case and perhaps not. Trump is not guided so much by a lot of knowledge but more his instinct, on a lot of issues.

The question is, what karmic lessons the Palestinians have and about determining the needs of another. Perhaps one of the karmic lessons some of them have is to stay true to what is right and to stay in their home country where they have been for millenia. Another could be to act as a reminder to the world of the evil/genocide that is taking place for all to see. Due to this immense sacrifice by the Palestinians, the veil has been lifted on the evil that is being perpetrated by the Zionists and by Israel/US. The credit that Israel previously held in the international arena has fallen to below zero and they only have themselves to thank for it.

And in that context, it'd probably be good to remember that any time Trump makes some outrageous claim, like the Gaza thing, it can't be taken at face value as what he actually thinks, or what he's actually planning. He's still basically in Art of the Deal mode, with some 'madman strategy' thrown in for fun/to keep his enemies guessing.

Very true. Trump says a lot of things to gauge reactions and then does something completely different. So yes, wait and see what actually transpires.

 

[Jacques]

Again, what about free will and determining the needs of another? Yes, the Palestinians want this hell to stop, but it is a hell facilitated by Israel and the US. To repeat as mentioned before, if the US stopped financial and military aid to Israel, this hell would stop. Not before. It type of deal can set a precedent so like if Israel continues to bomb Lebanon for example and levelling it to the ground with US weapons and support, would the solution then be to relocate the Lebanese people to neighbouring countries, while the US takes over to build more real estate? Next it could be Denmark. Drop a few bombs and tell the freaked out Danes to just move to Sweden and Norway. It would be a neat solution which automatically would hand over Greenland.

That is an excellent question and it is also my reflexion on that.

 

[Joe]

Wouldn't an easier alternative be to stop funding Israel, full stop? Or is that proposal not realistic?

Yes, it's not realistic.

 

[Joe]

And in that context, it'd probably be good to remember that any time Trump makes some outrageous claim, like the Gaza thing, it can't be taken at face value as what he actually thinks, or what he's actually planning. He's still basically in Art of the Deal mode, with some 'madman strategy' thrown in for fun/to keep his enemies guessing.

Exactly. But people keep forgetting this very important point. So they keep freaking out, and then calming down, until the next Trump statement.

 

[Aeneas]

Yes, it's not realistic.

And the main reason, it is not realistic and why no US president has resisted meaningfully since the creation of Israel, is that we are dealing with 4D STS forces, the owners. Every president who may have wanted to 'fix' it, have been shown if needed, in unmistakable ways, that they are not at the top of the food chain. I guess that is the main reason it is not realistic.

 

[luc]

Regarding Trump/Gaza, people seem hyperemotional about whatever Trump says or does. One day is "OMG we are winning, he's the Savior", next day he says something one doesn't like and it's like "he's so awful, how can people support him..." We shouldn't allow ourselves to be thrown around like that I think.

Trump is constantly saying outrageous and often utterly idiotic sh*t. But whether it's a conscious plan or just Trump being Trump (probably a combination), this works brilliantly to completely throw the Deep State/"left" in a limbo, because they just can't keep up with their usual narrative building and control. It's such a wild rollercoaster, and everyday Trump says something that in the old days would have been the stuff of a six months long smear campaign.

As for Gaza, some people have observed that Bibi looked surprised when Trump said all this stuff. Don't know if that's true, but it clearly seems Trump managed to get on the offensive, to drive the narrative, rather than to react. Which can be a big advantage no matter the outcome. Also, for some perspective we should remember that the recent mass-murder and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians started under "Biden", and when Trump took over, we had a ceasefire, and now Hamas is parading in Gaza and many Palestinians are flooding back, while Israel looks very bad. So there's that.

Btw, and could be wrong, but I always had the impression Trump can't stand Bibi personally, and seems to feel the urge to one-up him, show him who's boss, outsmart him. Of course he can't do that too openly, but it's just the vibe I'm getting.

I think all we can say about all that at this point is that Trump created some movement, some "change energy" wrt the Israel issue, and where the chips may fall nobody can really tell.

 

[Windmill knight]

I am aware of what the C's have said about the destruction of Israel and which some have taken to be a reason as to why Trump is proposing this and thus save their lives. Perhaps that is the case and perhaps not. Trump is not guided so much by a lot of knowledge but more his instinct, on a lot of issues.

I was talking with my wife about this last point the other day. It's almost as if Trump does a lot of things because he has has his own opinions set about a number of topics, or perhaps because he wants to feed his ego, or instinctively or any other personal reason, with some understanding of the situation but not necessarily a lot. BUT perhaps his 'higher self' understands better and directs him to do and say things that will be beneficial in the long-run for a lot of people (not just the US), even if the immediate result is painful and earns him a lot of animosity from pretty much everyone in the world.

For example, he has antagonized all his neighbours and traditional US 'allies' with the tariffs and other threats. You could say he is bullying a bunch of countries, and if commercial wars happen, all parties will suffer for a while to some degree. However, in the long run that would be a good thing, because many of these countries would get a golden opportunity to become more independent from US imperial influence, to develop their own economic alternatives and to establish bonds to other poles of power, like BRICS, bringing us closer to a multipolar world, which is much better than a NWO type of scenario.

In the case of Gaza, it could be that Trump is thinking along the lines of 'lets just end this and the easiest, fastest way is to expell the Palestinians', but in the process he will be giving an actual chance to live to a whole group of people who would have otherwise been exterminated. The immediate result will be that the whole world will hate it because it is essentially giving the stolen goods to the thief. But in the long run, not only will Palestinians be taken out of harm's way, but Israel will no longar have 'human shields', so to speak. It will be super hard though, cause there will be resistance from all sides.

 

[Windmill knight]

I love how Trump's administration is basically there to translate his characteristically unique ideas and make them palatable for the hysterical press. Here's Rubio giving a very reasonable take on Trump's Gaza offer, for example:

I do feel Rubio did a bit of spinning there, in that Trump was very clear that the Gazans would be rellocated permanently, and Rubio made it sound like it was a temporary measure while reconstruction was taking place, as in a natural disaster.

 

[Beau]

Yesterday I watched the livestream of Trump announcing the EO getting rid of men in women's sports and I couldn't help but feel like he was displaying some Putin-like qualities with how he interacted with everyone there. Now I'm sure some may be rolling their eyes at that remark, and maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there, but thought I'd share the short 30 minute video. He certainly seemed to have the whole room eating out of his hand. It's nice to have some sanity and heart returned to the presidency.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Yesterday I watched the livestream of Trump announcing the EO getting rid of men in women's sports and I couldn't help but feel like he was displaying some Putin-like qualities with how he interacted with everyone there. Now I'm sure some may be rolling their eyes at that remark, and maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there, but thought I'd share the short 30 minute video. He certainly seemed to have the whole room eating out of his hand. It's nice to have some sanity and heart returned to the presidency.

Trump is making the U.S. a normal country again:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887362680047976742

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887293247615345071

 

[Nienna]

It's nice to have some sanity and heart returned to the presidency.

It's nice to have a President who actually cares about women and girls.

 

[Cosmos]

Regarding Trump/Gaza, people seem hyperemotional about whatever Trump says or does. One day is "OMG we are winning, he's the Savior", next day he says something one doesn't like and it's like "he's so awful, how can people support him..." We shouldn't allow ourselves to be thrown around like that I think.

Trump is constantly saying outrageous and often utterly idiotic sh*t. But whether it's a conscious plan or just Trump being Trump (probably a combination), this works brilliantly to completely throw the Deep State/"left" in a limbo, because they just can't keep up with their usual narrative building and control. It's such a wild rollercoaster, and everyday Trump says something that in the old days would have been the stuff of a six months long smear campaign.

As for Gaza, some people have observed that Bibi looked surprised when Trump said all this stuff. Don't know if that's true, but it clearly seems Trump managed to get on the offensive, to drive the narrative, rather than to react. Which can be a big advantage no matter the outcome. Also, for some perspective we should remember that the recent mass-murder and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians started under "Biden", and when Trump took over, we had a ceasefire, and now Hamas is parading in Gaza and many Palestinians are flooding back, while Israel looks very bad. So there's that.

Btw, and could be wrong, but I always had the impression Trump can't stand Bibi personally, and seems to feel the urge to one-up him, show him who's boss, outsmart him. Of course he can't do that too openly, but it's just the vibe I'm getting.

I think all we can say about all that at this point is that Trump created some movement, some "change energy" wrt the Israel issue, and where the chips may fall nobody can really tell.

Indeed. It is also worth to keep in mind one of the primary things Trump seems to do at any type of “deal“: He tries to be ahead (or the boss) of a situation by being the first person in any given deal/negotiation to make “an offer“, and crucially, depending on the context and how far he thinks he can go, he starts out with an offer/threat that is as extreme/high as he can possibly announce. What he is doing there is on purpose and a pretty well known tactic of businessman/sales people: If you set the bar as high as you possibly can with the first offer, you prime the situation and/or the other side to make a deal with you that gets you the most. It is a psychological trick that almost always works. In other words: Trump is stating/saying/proposing something outrageous/daring because his real goal ISN‘T necessarily that high proposal but somewhere below that.

For example: If you know more or less your situation/position within a company and you are aiming at a pay raise of let’s say 3€ per hour, you should aim high (but still not too outrageous), by being the first one to make the offer to your chief by saying that „you want 7€ more“. You primed the situation on your terms and it is a lot more likely that you will get your secret goal of 3€ compared to what you will have gotten if you were not the first person to propose and/or you would have asked for 3€.

 

[mantle]

The above is very true but if deception is what is in the forefront then what ? There are many who know that Trump is Chabad and that The Protectorate is required because the insurgency not only survived but it is a more powerful force today. Netanyahoo"s war failed and what also failed is Jabotinsky's plan. Israel is now weak. So in comes Trump to essentially save weak Israel. And Trump has been threatened. The gift of pagers speaks volumes .

 

[Ca.]

The C's were definitely spot on - things sure are thrilling! And in that context, it'd probably be good to remember that any time Trump makes some outrageous claim, like the Gaza thing, it can't be taken at face value as what he actually thinks, or what he's actually planning. He's still basically in Art of the Deal mode, with some 'madman strategy' thrown in for fun/to keep his enemies guessing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887543148781461806

BIBI's subtle unconscious behavior is seen as a death threat by the X community


Netanyahu gifted Trump a golden pager during their meeting in Washington
Updated 11:59 AM EST, Thu February 6, 2025

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gifted US President Donald Trump a golden pager, a reference to a deadly Israeli operation against Hezbollah that killed 37 people and injured thousands. Israel Government Press Office
CNN Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu gifted US President Donald Trump a golden pager during their meeting in Washington on Tuesday, an Israeli political source told CNN.

The gift was an allusion to a deadly September operation carried out by Israel in Lebanon, which targeted pagers used by members of the Iran-backed militant group Hezbollah.

On September 17, thousands of explosions struck Hezbollah members, targeting their pagers and then walkie-talkies a day later.

The blasts killed at least 37 people, including some children, and injured nearly 3,000, many of them civilian bystanders, according to Lebanese health authorities.

In return, on Tuesday, Trump gave Netanyahu a signed photograph of the two of them. He signed the photograph, “To Bibi, A great leader!,” according to a photo on Instagram posted by his son, Yair Netanyahu.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1887530355382423866

Israel says three Israeli and five Thai hostages to be released in Gaza Thursday