Trump orders attack on Syria, asks for other countries to join him.

[mkrnhr]

Some in social media are saying that it isn't a war, "just" an isolated attack. That reminds me of Clinton's bombing of Afghanistan during the Lewinsky scandal. The thing is that whether he was manipulated, blackmailed, or not, it's like an initiation. The PTB will always tell him: you did it once, you can do it again, come on! It may also have some symbolic ramifications. April 6th 1453: beginning of the siege of Constantinople, and also April 6th 1917, the US officially entered World War 1.

Added: Two similar topics have been merged into this one.

 

[Mr. Premise]

It reminded me of this quote.

Oct 15 2016

(Windmill knight) Is the situation in Syria going to escalate to a third world war as some people think?

A: No. But there may be a terrorist dirty nuke or two!

Q: (L) And when you say, "terrorist", we assume that that should be in quotes?

A: Yes

Q: (Beau) If Trump is elected, will he actually change American foreign policy?

A: Will try.

Q: (Pierre) Doesn't mean he will succeed.

He went straight for Assad without corroboration, It makes you wonder if he saw himself "forced to" comply. I highly doubt he ordered in any case i don't think such thing is convenient for any of his policies..

Oh, he ordered it. An attack of this scale has to come from the Commander in Chief. It may not be convenient for his policies but it is very convenient for him to avoid being disgraced/impeached/convicted of something. The neocons and the deep state play for keeps.

 

[Mr. Premise]

At the risk of provoking Admin's ire, I will repeat myself in this thread too, and ask everyone if many have noticed that this FF inspired attack happened EXACTLY 100 years to the date of the American entry into WWI on the British side?

Which of course was the Zionist carrot given to the Brits in exchange for them signing the Balfour Declaration. And the American entry into the war tip the scales in favour of total submission of Germany, which effectively led to the excessive terms of the Versailles Treaty, that in turn were the principal underlying cause of German radicalisation prior to WWII.

In effect, this date is highly symbolical to both great bloodsheds of the 20th Century.

How can this be accidental?

Yeah, I noticed that too. It definitely seems significant.

 

[Arwenn]

Seems Trump has really lost it and gone to the dark side.

~snip

So, a couple of questions here.
1. How come Trump was so completely taken in by what was obviously garbage? Did he do a deal with the neocons?
2. Where are the Russian S300 missile defence units and why did they not intercept the attack?
3.What will Russia do about it.
4. Chinese leader is visiting with Trump today. How will tat go down?

These are certainly sobering times in which we live. Ironic that Trump, for all his non-intervention rhetoric, has gone much further than Obama ever did in Syria.

My thoughts exactly. If I wasn't feeling dejected already with terrorist attacks in Russia & the world gone mad in general, now this about-face from Trump. How can they just assume Assad attacked his own people (where is the proof??) & use that as a pretext to launch an attack on Syria which is bound to kill many many more? Where is the outrage from the masses? Where is the UN on this obvious BS false flag? What is Trump thinking?

It will be interesting to see how Putin responds to this. He has his plate full with terror attacks in Russia. The warmongers are just not going to let this go, I fear they will persist till Assad is gone (one way or another) & Syria is carved up to suit their geopolitical agendas. I wish I could sound more positive, but all I feel is despair right now :(

 

[herondancer]

SOTT Exclusive: Killary crawls out of her hole, calls for U.S. to "take out Assad's airfields", Trump obliges, bombs Syrian airbase with 50+ Tomahawks

SOTT article speculating that the strike wasa politically theatrical move Trump had to make to get some breathing room from the neocons. They're currently falling all over themselves praising his "decisiveness". Killary's leading the cheering, and smirking about how she was right after all.

This article may lend some credence to that possibility, and though it doesn't mention it here, there's a lot of articles saying the Russians were told ahead of time it was coming. They, of course, would let the Syrians know. What matters is followup. Will Trump carry on after this, or not?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/eyewitness-syrian-military-anticipated-us-raid/story?id=46641107

Eyewitness says Syrian military anticipated U.S. raid

By HAIDER NEWMANI
Alex Hosenball

Apr 7, 2017, 12:02 AM ET

Syrian military officials appeared to anticipate Thursday's night raid on Syria's Shayrat airbase, evacuating personnel and moving equipment ahead of the strike, according to an eyewitness to the strike.

Dozens of Tomahawk missiles struck the airbase near Homs damaging runways, towers and traffic control buildings, a local resident and human rights activist living near the airbase told ABC News via an interpreter.

U.S. officals believe the plane that dropped chemical weapons on civilians in Idlib Province on Tuesday, which according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights killed 86 people, took off from the Shayrat airbase.

The attack lasted approximately 35 minutes and its impact was felt across the city, shaking houses and sending those inside them fleeing from their windows. Both of the airport's major runways were struck by missiles, and some of its 40 fortified bunkers were also damaged.

Local residents say the Russian military had used the airbase in early 2016 but have since withdrawn their officers, so the base is now mainly operated by Syrian and Iranian military officers. There is also a hotel near the airport where Iranian officers have been staying, though it was not clear whether it was damaged.

The eyewitness believes human casualties, at least within the civilian population, were minimal, as there was no traffic heading toward the local hospital.

The airstrike follows confirmation by the Turkish Health Ministry that autopsies on several victims of Tuesday's attack confirmed the use of the nerve agent sarin in violation of international law.

Soon after the strike, President Donald Trump delivered a statement from his Mar-A-Lago retreat, where he was meeting with Chinese president Xi Jinping.

"There can be no dispute that Syria used banned chemical weapons, violated its obligations under the chemical weapons convention and ignored the urging of the UN security council," Trump said Thursday night. "Years of previous attempts at changing Assad's behavior have all failed and failed very dramatically."

Former National Security Adviser and ABC News contributor Richard Clarke said this attack, one of the quickest displays of force by a new president in recent history, is largely "symbolic."

Following a 2013 chemical weapons attack that killed more than 1400 people outside of Damascus which a U.S. government intelligence assessment concluded likely used a nerve agent, the Obama administration threatened retaliation but ultimately called off planned airstrikes after Assad agreed to turn over the majority of his chemical weapons arsenal to an international watchdog group. Trump has attempted to blame Obama's "weakness" for the worsening violence in Syria.

"This attack on one air base seems more symbolic," Clarke said. "I think Secretary of Defense [General] James Mattis gave the president a list of options, this being the smallest. It was a targeted attack not designed to overwhelm the Syrian military ... I think the president was trying to differentiate himself from his predecessor."

 

[Cosmos]

SOTT Exclusive: Killary crawls out of her hole, calls for U.S. to "take out Assad's airfields", Trump obliges, bombs Syrian airbase with 50+ Tomahawks

SOTT article speculating that the strike wasa politically theatrical move Trump had to make to get some breathing room from the neocons. They're currently falling all over themselves praising his "decisiveness". Killary's leading the cheering, and smirking about how she was right after all.

This article may lend some credence to that possibility, and though it doesn't mention it here, there's a lot of articles saying the Russians were told ahead of time it was coming. They, of course, would let the Syrians know. What matters is followup. Will Trump carry on after this, or not?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/eyewitness-syrian-military-anticipated-us-raid/story?id=46641107

Eyewitness says Syrian military anticipated U.S. raid

By HAIDER NEWMANI
Alex Hosenball

Apr 7, 2017, 12:02 AM ET

Syrian military officials appeared to anticipate Thursday's night raid on Syria's Shayrat airbase, evacuating personnel and moving equipment ahead of the strike, according to an eyewitness to the strike.

Dozens of Tomahawk missiles struck the airbase near Homs damaging runways, towers and traffic control buildings, a local resident and human rights activist living near the airbase told ABC News via an interpreter.

U.S. officals believe the plane that dropped chemical weapons on civilians in Idlib Province on Tuesday, which according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights killed 86 people, took off from the Shayrat airbase.

The attack lasted approximately 35 minutes and its impact was felt across the city, shaking houses and sending those inside them fleeing from their windows. Both of the airport's major runways were struck by missiles, and some of its 40 fortified bunkers were also damaged.

Local residents say the Russian military had used the airbase in early 2016 but have since withdrawn their officers, so the base is now mainly operated by Syrian and Iranian military officers. There is also a hotel near the airport where Iranian officers have been staying, though it was not clear whether it was damaged.

The eyewitness believes human casualties, at least within the civilian population, were minimal, as there was no traffic heading toward the local hospital.

The airstrike follows confirmation by the Turkish Health Ministry that autopsies on several victims of Tuesday's attack confirmed the use of the nerve agent sarin in violation of international law.

Soon after the strike, President Donald Trump delivered a statement from his Mar-A-Lago retreat, where he was meeting with Chinese president Xi Jinping.

"There can be no dispute that Syria used banned chemical weapons, violated its obligations under the chemical weapons convention and ignored the urging of the UN security council," Trump said Thursday night. "Years of previous attempts at changing Assad's behavior have all failed and failed very dramatically."

Former National Security Adviser and ABC News contributor Richard Clarke said this attack, one of the quickest displays of force by a new president in recent history, is largely "symbolic."

Following a 2013 chemical weapons attack that killed more than 1400 people outside of Damascus which a U.S. government intelligence assessment concluded likely used a nerve agent, the Obama administration threatened retaliation but ultimately called off planned airstrikes after Assad agreed to turn over the majority of his chemical weapons arsenal to an international watchdog group. Trump has attempted to blame Obama's "weakness" for the worsening violence in Syria.

"This attack on one air base seems more symbolic," Clarke said. "I think Secretary of Defense [General] James Mattis gave the president a list of options, this being the smallest. It was a targeted attack not designed to overwhelm the Syrian military ... I think the president was trying to differentiate himself from his predecessor."

From all the versions on why and how, the above makes most sence to me. If they warned the russians beforehand they had to know that they will warn Assad to clear the locations.

 

[whitecoast]

The article also says that the Russians have been warned. I wonder how they will respond to this? Has diplomacy become futile?

I'm watching RT now and the diplomatic act was to inform the Russians ahead of time in case any of their personnel might have been at any of the locations the US just targeted. But still, with Russia aligned with Syria and this being a direct violation against the Syrian government and military, this was a stupid move. The latest guest hopes that this is Trump simply trying to act like a big dog to show he's the Commander and Chief, but this is very serious!

Perhaps, Maybe, he didn't even order this attack.. and had to own up to it after the fact. Imagine if the presidente of the US came out and said we just bombed Syria but i didn't order it... or agreed with it.

Like what happened with Erdogan and the downing of the Russian fighter jet. It's possible. But all those recent changes in the Trump administration and the change in tone from Tillerson and Haley, and then also getting rid of Bannon on the National Security Council. I can't help but think he caved in to pressure and allowed this to happen, maybe not directly, but possibly indirectly. But I hope Trump hasn't jumped on-board the neo-con war wagon. I don't think he has but the pressure on him must be a lot to bear.

That bolded part gave me the impression that he was nervous and was sincerely asking for help. But maybe it's just me.

I hope you are right, Alejo.

It seems like all of Trump's written and spoken statements about the fake gas attack have seemed to say that the attack left a deep impression on him. This seems in line with Trump himself sanctioning such an attack.

I was all ready to be freaked out by this and say screw Trump forever until coming across theories saying he might have made a behind-the-scenes deal with Russia to
1) appease the neocons
2) get rid of Assad (assuming Assad exits shortly as a result of this)
3) make him look tough on Russia
4) deter China
and probably several other things. I hope it's true, otherwise we might be pretty screwed. Wait and see.

This is more in line with my own thinking. Trump's been suffocated by the neocons to the point it's virtually impossible for him to get anything done. This may be his form of tossing them a piece of meat to get them off his back enough for him to do other maneuvering. Of course, that is the optimistic interpretation, and could be wrong.

 

[Cosmos]

I think we should pay close attention to what the russians say and do now. Might give us some clues on what is really going on...

 

[Mr.Cyan]

I think we should pay close attention to what the russians say and do now. Might give us some clues on what is really going on...

My thoughts too, if there is any party that will behave sanely, but in a decisive fashion considering actual facts - then it would be Putin and the Russians. If Trump does not order any further attacks, and if the Russians don't take any further actions then I guess this could possibly mean that it was a "symbolic" attack just to get the Neocons of his back and manage the situation. Still too early to tell......

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

I just found out about this event, and I do not even know how to react. I know that here at the forum and in the Russian government, Trump is considered a "good guy", I can not judge him without knowing what he really is, but I just do not really like him. And now I feel anger at him and this damn country-bastard USA for what they do. And I very much hope that Russia, in the end, will begin to ACT instead of trying to persuade all these psychopaths.

Now I read a summary of events in Russian RT, and there is such a quote:

US Secretary of State Tillerson says Russia has failed in its responsibility

It offended me and angered me. While these monsters create a global fire and supervise terrorists, only Russia and Syria are struggling with all this chaos, and these American bastards dare to blame Russia and Syria for insolvency and crime. I have no words. One day I want to see this country (US) in ruins.
And this is the country that recently called itself the "conscience of the world"! How can a normal human look at this vile and dirty attack and read at the same time Trump's words about God, justice, suffering souls and innocent victims?? Probably, all these words allow Americans to sleep peacefully at night after they destroy the whole world.

It's not emotions, it's just an outrage from all this chaos happening. I'm empathic, and I feel very deep connection with other beings, and I feel it all so hard, so it hurts me twice to watch this damn world of werewolf people. Sorry for the harsh words.

 

[Gary]

I think we should pay close attention to what the russians say and do now. Might give us some clues on what is really going on...

Putin believes US attack on Syria violates international law – spokesman

President Putin “regards the strikes as aggression against a sovereign nation,” his spokesman Dmitry Peskov said, noting that the president believes the strikes were carried out “in violation of international law, and also under an invented pretext.”

Peskov also insisted that “the Syrian army doesn’t have chemical weapons,” saying this had been “observed and confirmed by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons, a special UN unit.”

Putin sees the US missile strike on Syria as an attempt to distract attention from civilian casualties in Iraq, Peskov added.

“This step deals significant damage to US-Russian ties, which are already in a deplorable state,” Peskov said.

DETAILS TO FOLLOW

https://www.rt.com/news/383815-putin-us-syria-aggression/

 

[Lumiere_du_Code]

"President Putin regards the American attacks on Syria as aggression against a sovereign state in violation of the norms of international law, and under a far-fetched pretext", the presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

Peskov stressed that the Syrian army does not have chemical weapons reserves, and recalled that the fact of the destruction of all chemical weapons stockpiles from the Syrian armed forces "was fixed and confirmed by the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons - a specialized UN unit."

"At the same time, according to Putin, complete disregard for the use of chemical weapons by terrorists only significantly aggravates the situation", RIA Novosti quotes Peskov. "Putin also sees in the attacks on Syria from the US the attempt to divert the attention of the world community from the numerous casualties among civilians in Iraq."

 

[JGeropoulas]

Well I just indulged in about 2 hours of total masochism by watching FOX News reporting on Syria. I don't if I was angrier at the liars hosting the shows, the lying "experts" or Donald Trump. I'm eager to read everyone's thoughts above.

The only possible strategy I can imagine (invent?) to sustain my (wishful-thinking) hope is that perhaps--and this is a stretch--Trump is strategically making a lot of noise and just blowing up some "safe" targets like just some of the landing strips at the airport (which the US will ultimately rebuilt as foreign aid) just to make a show to pacify the war-hawks and "Deep State" false flaggers, derail all the Russia collusion propaganda, dodge the obvious neocon trap (being forced into a corner so he had to do what he railed against Obama for not doing: make killing children with chemical weapons a "red line"), forge party unity and increase Democrat cooperation (the latter two have been reported several times tonight as already occurring--you know, nothing bonds psychopaths together better than mass killing and destruction, right?)

If Russia under-reacts, I'll believe this even more, assuming they've concluded (or been told by BFF Trump ) that is what Trump's doing. If so, my opinion of him might be redeemable.

Otherwise, I'll stick to my rant from an hour ago:

Of all the labels pinned on him, who’d have thought we’d ever see the words “Donald Trump” and “sucker” in the same sentence? But anything can happen these days—and seems “anything” just happened when he “whiplashed” (as the media refers to it) in his policy towards Syria. The consensus of TV’s talking heads is that Trump is flexing his muscle in Syria to show the world he’s a force to be reckoned with. But what has really happened is that, with this second contrived chemical attack, the “Deep State” has flexed its “false flag” muscle to show him they’re the actual force to be reckoned with. In other words, Donald Trump has been a sucker for the “Deep State’s” most predictable, threadbare scam: “false flag" attacks.

And while I’m venting my disillusionments—despite my best effort to avoid illusions—let me say, I thought Reince Priebus was supposed to act as Trump’s "Super Well-Connected Liason" with Congress, so what happened with the ObamaCare fiasco? And I thought Steve Bannon was supposed to be “Super Strategist” but so far it seems like the only Trump administration “strategy” has been little more than reacting to the superior strategies of their adversaries!

Donald Trump, the renown “Deal Maker”, has spoken frequently and passionately about insisting on “fair deals” for America. But how is it a fair deal for Syria when the U.S. absolutely ignores the fact that 88.7% of Syrians voted to have Assad for their president (cf. to only 46.1% of Americans who wanted Trump for president)? How is it a fair deal when it involves character assassination of Assad by the western media? How is it a fair deal when it relies on questionable intelligence from agencies with documented histories of deceit and treachery? Or implements a conspiratorial plan first hatched 70 years ago?* Or disregarding national sovereignty? Or launching 59 million dollars-worth of Tomahawk missiles?

I’ve never read Trump’s best-selling book, but are these the kind of things involved in the “art of the deal”? If so, Trump can deal me out and fight all his future political battles with one less person over-looking his flaws to cheer him on.


* Soon after its recognition as a sovereign country in 1946, Syrian President Shukri al-Quwatli faced difficulties in getting some firebrands in parliament to support passage rights for an Arabian American Oil Company pipeline from Saudi Arabian oil fields to the Mediterranean to supply Europe. Despite the potential economic benefits for Syria, these firebrands’ opposition was fueled by U.S. recognition of the state of Israel. Ignoring more benign options, Truman consequently authorized the CIA’s very first coup, which was to be led by Syrian army chief of staff General Husni al-Za’im. ( _http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/washingtons-long-history-syria-8717 )

They say, “history repeats itself” but what we’re seeing now in Syria seems more like history cloning itself.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Thanks to the Trump administration now the jihadis will be able to make many other false flag attacks. All this will bring enormous human tragedies and bad karma. Psychopaths in power are putting the human species almost in checkmate.

 

[Gary]

The latest developments from RT.

Turkey has called for no-fly and safe zones to be urgently established in Syria, according to the country’s presidential spokesman.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s spokesman, Ibrahim Kalin, supported the US missile strikes against the Shayrat airbase, saying they show that alleged chemical and conventional attacks targeting civilians won’t “go unpunished.”

A no-fly zone and safe zones must be established and enforced without delay, the spokesman said. The Turkish Foreign Ministry has stated that safe zones are now “more important than ever.”

“Steps that will ensure similar crimes do not go unpunished and accountability is established will have the full support of Turkey,” the ministry said in a written statement cited by Reuters.

DETAILS TO FOLLOW

https://www.rt.com/news/383832-turkey-syria-no-fly-zone/

Russia suspends flight safety memorandum over Syria after US missile strike – Foreign Ministry

Russia has suspended the memorandum of understanding on flight safety in Syria with the United States amid the US missile strike on Syria’s Shayrat military airfield, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry’s statement.

The US launched some 60 Tomahawk missiles at the Syrian military airbase in the Homs governorate early on Friday. The attack came after US President Donald Trump pinned the blame for an alleged chemical attack in Idlib on Syria’s government.

DETAILS TO FOLLOW

https://www.rt.com/news/383837-russia-syria-flight-safety/