TSA pat downs

People, en masse, haven't cried out at all the injustices that are happening all around us in recent years. Lies of 9/11, stolen elections, the right of the POTUS to kill at will etc, etc. If the threat of "crotchal area" gropes is what it takes to wake people up then I'm glad for all of the hullabaloo. Maybe the sheeple will start looking a little deeper into all of the freedoms that are being snatched from them and start to wonder why and it'll gain momentum from there.
 
Lilou said:
I had to submit to a pat-down leaving Paris last month (set off the metal detector because I was wearing silver jewelry) and I did not find it too bad. I'm not sure I could say the same thing if this had happened in the USA. The female agent seemed bored, did check under my bra, but did not feel my "crotchal area". I suppose the experience has a lot to do with the attitude of the agent who's feeling you up.

That's the way it was Lilou. The patdowns that everyone is discussing now are called 'enhanced patdowns' and it involves a more thorough search. This was just recently started to the best of my knowledge because when I returned from my trip a month ago all they did was a light patdown to me as well. They didn't really seem to care about searching me and I even got through with a bottle of water but not any longer. It seems shortly after I returned these pornoscanners were installed forcing people to opt out of scanning and then they started the enhanced patdowns to discourage people from opting out. I'm pretty sure I even read a report somewhere where a TSA agent had even admitted that it was meant to discourage people from opting out but don't quote me on that one.
 
You're right, Pete. Last months pat down ain't going to be the same as this months. SOTT did some excellent coverage of this today. I particularly liked these two articles/videos -

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218032-The-Wrap-Up-Here-s-What-s-Been-Going-On-In-US-Airports

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/218025-New-Jersey-Lawmakers-Take-on-the-TSA-Want-To-Stop-Full-Body-Scans

The first one shows just how offensive the TSA is. And the second one gives us some hope. Should be interesting to see what happens on National Opt Out Day (November 24th).
 
Away With The Fairys said:
What I find annoying (understatement) is that the u.k. does not allow an opt out so that we have something physical to be annoyed at. Unless you can now opt out at u.k. airports?

It does look as though opting out of a body-scan isn't an option for travellers in the UK. Obviously, not all airports have them, but they've been in place at Manchester Airport and at least some of the terminals at Heathrow Airport for quite a few months now.

Manchester Airport's website has this to say on the subject:

Please note: From the 1st February 2010, additional Government legislation came into operation at this airport, which states that any passenger who refuses to use the scanner will be denied travel.

How does it work?
Imaging technology (Rapiscan Systems' Secure 1000 Single Pose) works by bouncing x-rays off an individual's skin to produce an outline image of the person's body, which is then used to detect concealed, potentially dangerous objects.

[...]

Do I have a choice ?
If a passenger, once selected for a body scan refuses, they will not be permitted to travel – this may seem harsh but our overriding concern is the safety of passengers and staff alike. Security staff operating the body scanner are able to answer any questions or concerns that you may have about the process so please don’t be afraid to ask.

Will I be exempt on religious grounds?
All passengers, if selected, must use the body scanner in order to be allowed into the departure lounge.

So you either get an X-ray scan at these places, or you don't get on the flight: by government decree.

Edit 1: But just to be absolutely accurate here, not everybody in the line is selected for screening by the body scanner. So not everybody has to go through - anybody could be selected (you don't necessarily have to get a ping! on the metal scanner beforehand) - and it's just a case of Russian roulette when you present yourself at Security at these airports.
Edit 2: added hyperlink
 
This is off-topic but I didnt know where else to ask on the forum...

What happened to connect the dots? :huh:

I havent seen it for 2 months now...
 
Would it be beneficial to create a thread listing peoples experiences with various airports worldwide? IE, whether they have scanners, pat-down options and how 'enhanced' these are?

Maybe this is dangerous but could also help fellow would-be travelers and allow to chose a better option?

FWIW, I recently passed through Houston(GWB International) and Columbus, Ohio with the scanners in place at the former but not operational atm. I did overhear threats that they would be online soon though.

Mexico(PVR) seems to have a way to go yet, thankfully. Just last year they finally got baggage scanners here.
 
When I returned from New York on Tuesday, the x-ray machine was in operation at LaGuardia. There were two lines and it appeared that everyone in the “unlucky” line had to go through the scanner. I was unfortunately in that line and did not see that until too late to move. At any rate, I told the TSA agent that I was opting out right away. They asked me to step aside and wait for a female agent to come get me. I had to stand there about 5 minutes and could not see my purse because it was on the other side of the machines. When the agent arrived, they took me around the side and to the back of the screening area. We retrieved my luggage and set everything on a table in front of me. She asked if I preferred to go to a private room but I decided to stay right there.

Fortunately, the agent told me exactly what she was going to do at each stage. She used the back of her hand and when she checked my legs, she went no higher than my thigh. The whole process took less than 10 minutes and other than being inconvenient and embarrassing, I felt “fortunate” not to have experienced anything more intrusive. This is so insane to actually feel relief at only being moderately fondled – ugh!! :huh:

The one thing that truly amazed me is that I seemed to be the ONLY one who dared to opt-out. All these people just kept going through the machine like good little programmed robots. It was so surreal – I have this dissociative state that I go to anytime I am forced to be touched by a stranger (doctors, dentists), so I noticed that I must have just slipped into that state about the time the agent came near me. Even though I was a bit dissociated I kept picking up impressions of my surroundings and what I noticed most was a sense of embarrassment and fear from the people moving around me. People just seemed to be too frightened of doing anything to call attention to themselves – they would rather be dosed with radiation and risk cancer, than dare to object.

Unfortunately all the news about the horrible things people have endured when they asked to opt-out has done exactly what I suspect was intended. People are now so intimidated they will do anything – so many sheeple!!! :shock:
 
Supposedly Alex jones triggered the TSA awareness in the united states of the last couple of weeks. got his viewers to do some sort of search term campaign on google. I don't really get it. the last 5 minutes of this video

in the last 5 minutes of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN0rcNJXFfI&feature=player_embedded#!
 
aleana said:
Fortunately, the agent told me exactly what she was going to do at each stage. She used the back of her hand and when she checked my legs, she went no higher than my thigh. The whole process took less than 10 minutes and other than being inconvenient and embarrassing, I felt “fortunate” not to have experienced anything more intrusive. This is so insane to actually feel relief at only being moderately fondled

I have had to undergo an extended pat down earlier this summer and it wasn't bad either. I triggered it upon myself by rushing through the screening gate with my jacket tied around my waist, and without taking off my wrist brace. Apparently, it's a no-no. An agent pulled me over and then my kids bolted towards me which made the matter even worse.

I was already distraught, because right before getting to the screening line I realized that I have forgotten one of my passports (it wasn't necessary for travel but was going to be required as soon as I got to my international destination). My husband rushed home to get it, but wasn't back yet; I waited for him in the line until I could wait no longer, and was seriously afraid that we will miss our flight. So when they stopped me and rounded me up for an extended examination, I practically burst into tears, I thought that's it, I'm not making it.

I have to give them credit, the TSA people were very quick and professional. A male supervisor assured me that he made a call to my gate and told them to wait for me, that I am on the way. I don't know how true that was, but that made me feel better right away. Then, two female agents came over; one was standing there just to talk to the kids and make them feel better. The other did the pat-down, preceding each movement with an explanations and afterwards directing me when I could get back my stuff. She did the same with the kids, using back of the hand when near the privates as well. Meanwhile, the male agent went through our stuff, taking obvious care not to mess up my packing too much. Lastly, my husband got to the line at this moment, and even though before that they told me repeatedly that they will NOT pass anything to me once I have gone through the screening, another agent got the passport and gave it to me. We made it to the gate just as the last people in the line were boarding, so all ended well.

In retrospect, what helped me, I think, is that I acted weak and meek, even somewhat consciously overdoing it while the inner observer looked on, and not caring what others thought of me. A distraught female, purely psychologically, isn't very threatening. At the same moment, I took ample time to thank them sincerely for every small act of kindness, which seemed to have inspired kindness in return. The other helpful factor, of course, was that our airport is quite small and that it wasn't very busy there at the moment. I am sure that in a large airport in a peak travel season the same situation would have gone a lot worse.
 
aleana said:
The one thing that truly amazed me is that I seemed to be the ONLY one who dared to opt-out. All these people just kept going through the machine like good little programmed robots.

That's what made me scratch my head when I read all the horror stories in the news. If not that many are opting out, why are there so many stories?

[quote author=aleana]
Unfortunately all the news about the horrible things people have endured when they asked to opt-out has done exactly what I suspect was intended. People are now so intimidated they will do anything – so many sheeple!!! :shock:
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I don't think many were opting out before all the press. Perhaps the press was to scare the rest of us into submission? Then my mind really went crazy, and thought maybe they keep a list of those who opt-out, those not fully programmed. LOL

The experience you have with a pat down, really is going to hinge on the agent giving it. I suspect psychopaths/pathologicals really make it unpleasant. Those types will be looking for ways to 'push your buttons' and love the power they have. :sigh:
 
The following article illuminates the psychopathic attack on human dignity by the ponerized TSA.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/mccarthy/mccarthy12.1.html said:
The Attack On Human Dignity- Fr. Emmanuel Charles McCarthy

The human being is made in the image and likeness of God. He or she has the Spark of the Divine "within" him or her. He or she is the primal and primary Temple of God on earth. Each person therefore deserves from the other and gives to the other not just respect, but reverence. The destruction of a fellow human — whether it be in mind, soul, body or spirit — is therefore the desecration of the Great Temple on earth, the place in time and space where the Living God chose foremost to reside.

The sublimity, dignity and transcendental value of each human being make it a grave violation of the Presence of God and of God-given human dignity to treat a person as a thing, a widget in some one's grand illusion, a means to be used, manipulated, abused, lied to, and/or crushed to serve another's agenda. Violate is derived from the same Latin word as violence, violare. To violate a reality is to do violence to that reality. To violate a reality is to treat it in a way that is not in accordance with its nature, e.g., to treat a sentient human being as if he or she were a non-sentient rock violates the reality of the human being. To treat a human being who is the living Temple of God on earth and who is infinitely loved and valued by this same God, as a tool, as a thing, as a person of no real significance beyond my utilitarian need for him or her in some grandiose plan I have concocted, rather than with the reverence, love and value that he or she intrinsically and forever possesses, as a son or daughter of my God and his or her God, of my Father and his or her Father, of the One God, is to violate him or her, to do violence to them. And, a violation of a person's intrinsic, God bestowed human dignity and transcendent value is evil regardless of how normalized it has become, how culturally acceptable it has become, how "holy" it has become or how legal it has become.

In most case most of the nefarious processes by which government does what it does are utterly hidden from the eyes of the public, who are only given a contrived packet of PR lies leading up to and after the fact of implementation. This is what is meant in the well-known line attributed to Bismarck — well known because everyone inherently recognizes its truth, even though most live in personal and communal denial of it — Laws, like sausages, cease to inspire respect in proportion as we know how they are made.

This brings us to Michael Chertoff, the guy who as an assistant DA rounded-up 1200 Arabs and others without legal warrant or cause immediately after September 11, who was co-author of the Patriot Act, who was then made a Federal Court of Appeals Judge, who soon after found legal flaws with the conviction of the six Mossad operatives known as "the Dancing Israelis," and therefore released them on bail, never to be seen again, who was then made the Head of Homeland Security, who almost immediately began hawking the idea of full body scanners at airports while Head of Homeland Security and who has never stopped hawking them to this day, because his company, The Chertoff Group, has as a big-time client one of the two largest manufacturer — $160,000,000 dollars through 2009 — of Full Body Scanners, Rapiscan, Inc. So now it is the law of the land that if you, your spouse, or your child wants to fly to your parent's home for Thanksgiving or Christmas, you must either summit to being irradiated and stripped searched by a scanner for others to observe or else be groped, including genital, breast and buttocks groping. Why? Airport security demands it! And as sure as the Lord made little green apples, it will only be a short time before government-building security will demand it, and then private building security will demand it, and bus station security will demand it, etc. What a bonanza of government money the future holds for the Chertoff Group. And, what a boondoggle!

The airport with the best and safest security in the world is generally considered to be Ben Gurion Airport in Tel Aviv, Israel. One of the prime designers of Tel Aviv's security system was Rafi Sela. Last April he told the Canadian Parliament that the Full Body Scanners are useless for security purposes and that is the reason there are none and never have been any at Ben Gurion Airport. He told the Parliament that they were a waste of money and that someone who understood Full Body Scanners could pass through them with enough explosives to blow up a Boeing 747 (The Vancouver Sun, April 23, 2010). So much for Michael Chertoff's years of hustling the Full Body Scanners with what he had to know from Israeli security experts were lies about their security value.

Finally, look at what Michael Chertoff and whoever he is an operative for have put into place as law. And then ask yourself, of what is the following short video a carbon copy?

Whoever has the power to spit on the dignity of a human being and does it, by shaming and humiliating him or her, by treating him or her as a disposable or inconvenient thing who can be violated to keep the plan rolling along or to keep the pay check coming in, poisons his or her own life, the life of the other and the life of the society. Demeaning the human dignity of another human being is sadism, Satanism and psychopathic, regardless from where in the chain of its execution one participates in it.
 
I tend to think it's just the next step (it's always incremental) to see what they can get away with -- actually doing something that would plainly be illegal if it weren't the gov't doing it. The MSM attention is much more than I thought it would be, but I agree that it's an attempt at damage control because every segment about it ends with some gov't or security "expert" (or a quotation from one) telling us again how very real the threat from terr'ists is and some statistics showing how 81% of Americans love the body scanners.

However, *never* does this lead to any common-sense question about why terr'ists feel they can attack airplanes only. Saw Ron Paul on CNN (he's introducing a bill to stop the abuse by the TSA) and as soon as he suggested, as he usually does, that the US should examine its foreign policy to discover the cause of making enemies, about 3-4 voices start shouting him down and drowning him out. He also makes the point repeatedly that the gov't's job is supposed to be to protect rights, not to keep us safe, regulate the economy, or much else, which is absolutely against the current programming to get people to accept the massive power grab by the executive branch over the past few terms -- acting as if the president were always so powerful. Seems more like a way to control presidents to me, insisting that they have all this responsibility for which they can now be lionized or blamed as befits the PTB agenda.

Since the media attention continues unabated today and even publicizing the "opt out" day next week, I'm starting to wonder if maybe this isn't a "miscalculation" on the part of the PTB as the C's said we could expect. Then again, it really might simply be an attempt to decrease air travel, tourism, and economic activity as another step towards sinking the world economy.

Oh, afterthought -- I also think the MSM's continued mention of transferring this TSA function to the hands of private contractors sounds like nothing more than a bait and switch to mollify people. What in the world would that do, except probably cost more? They've admitted that the same procedures would be followed.
 
PopHistorian said:
...telling us again how very real the threat from terr'ists is and some statistics showing how 81% of Americans love the body scanners.

Well, it's true, the abc groups will stage a terrorist attack if people start to question the insanity that is the government's stance on "safety." They know how to keep all of the sheeple in line.
 
You're right NE, it is absolutely true, and I thought it of it myself as I've heard it said by officials, wondering if the person was a conscious agent or not (knows the truth or not). I know that conscious agents are more risky and less desirable, but how could someone like former National Security Adviser, Frances Townsend, not be one. She cannot be so thick as to believe that "enemies of America" without the need of expensive resources would not have completely "brought down America" by now if they actually existed.
 
Here is a thought speculation about all this TSA business. What if this is an application of the Hegelian Dialectic in action?

The technique is as old as politics itself. It is the Hegelian Dialectic of bringing about change in a three-step process: Thesis, Antithesis and Synthesis.

The first step (thesis) is to create a problem. The second step (antithesis) is to generate opposition to the problem (fear, panic and hysteria). The third step (synthesis) is to offer the solution to the problem created by step one: A change which would have been impossible to impose upon the people without the proper psychological conditioning achieved in stages one and two.

In this case, the 'problem' is invasive screening and inappropriate touching, which is clearly beginning to create opposition among the public. The 'solution' could then be proposed to hand over security concerns to 'trained and experienced professionals', like private security corporations. In other words, privatize what is now being done by a government agency and pay out huge amounts of money to private corporations (like Blackwater/Xe, probably using new names) to keep people 'safe'. The end result would be a further erosion of people's rights, since the private security firms are essentially accountable to no one, and the capture of big contracts and lots of money. People would likely not accept this outright, but after a bout of hysteria at the hands of TSA they might think at first it would be an improvement.
 

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