Tubal ligation - pros and cons

[anart]

Anart, i also think for me personally, being awake and able to intervene at any moment makes it a more viable choice.

I think you're working pretty hard to make yourself comfortable with your decision, which is a normal thing to do. I also think that the idea that you would be able to 'intervene at any moment' or even be able to feel when to intervene or why to intervene when you're in that position doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Chances are that any toxicity issues/inflammation issues/etc. from the implants wouldn't manifest for quite some time, so being awake during the procedure doesn't seem like much of a 'safety factor' to me.

It's your body, though, so, as always, it's up to you.

 

[Peam]

I had a vasectomy years ago after our third child. There was no hesitation on my part in having it done instead of my wife having to go through anything. After three kids she'd been through enough!

There was nothing to it. I was actually in the operating theatre about 20 minutes in all, and was out of the hospital about a hour later.

I'd booked a couple of days off work to recover, just in case, because I wasn't in a sedentary job at the time (mining), but if I had been I could have worked the following morning.

I never felt less of a man for it, it's never bothered me, but that's just me.

A bloke I worked with, a sort of fitness fanatic, had it done about the same time as me and he bragged to everybody that he jogged home from the hospital. Nobody believed him though. :P

 

[Firefly]

Anart, i also think for me personally, being awake and able to intervene at any moment makes it a more viable choice.

I think you're working pretty hard to make yourself comfortable with your decision, which is a normal thing to do. I also think that the idea that you would be able to 'intervene at any moment' or even be able to feel when to intervene or why to intervene when you're in that position doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Chances are that any toxicity issues/inflammation issues/etc. from the implants wouldn't manifest for quite some time, so being awake during the procedure doesn't seem like much of a 'safety factor' to me.

It's your body, though, so, as always, it's up to you.

When you have 2 choices and both of them are lousy and carry risks - it's not much of a choice, is it:)? In my case, tubal ligation is not an option for me even if I was open to a surgical procedure - I have other factors preventing me from having this done, not just psychological. My point about intervening was directed towards the actual procedure being done more so than the aftermath. I meant to say that I am scared of being sedated and not being aware of what is being done to my body. I guess there is a 3rd option which is to do nothing, but that opens up a whole new can of worms :)

 

[skycsil]

I personally feel very uncomfortable with having any type of device inserted in that delicate part of my body, even more so when I cannot remove it without the help of an ob-gyn. Especially when it's made of metal. But that's me.

I feel exactly the same, that's why I'd never have a intrauterine device inserted either. We are both aware there are other contraceptive methods at our reach, we just want to make sure and already decided to not have more kids. Ever. Thanks anyway, Firefly :)

We'll wait till delivery (one month, yay!) just in case I'll have a cesarean, and if not, he's going to have the vasectomy. Just to clarify: he has no issues at all about it, it was all in my head :P

 

[Oxajil]

I personally feel very uncomfortable with having any type of device inserted in that delicate part of my body, even more so when I cannot remove it without the help of an ob-gyn. Especially when it's made of metal. But that's me.

I feel exactly the same, that's why I'd never have a intrauterine device inserted either. We are both aware there are other contraceptive methods at our reach, we just want to make sure and already decided to not have more kids. Ever. Thanks anyway, Firefly :)

We'll wait till delivery (one month, yay!) just in case I'll have a cesarean, and if not, he's going to have the vasectomy. Just to clarify: he has no issues at all about it, it was all in my head :P

You might want to check out this book on vasectomy: Is Vasectomy Worth the Risk?: A Physician's Case Against Vasectomania
There is also this book Vasectomy: The Cruelest Cut of All
And some others if you search around @ amazon.

It's best to be as informed as you can be when making such huge decisions.

 

[Josi]

Hi,

Just doing a search on the side-effects reported by some women having the Essure implants should be a concern to anyone thinking of having the procedure done.

Below are just a few:

Unexplained weight gain.
Painful intercourse.
Stabbing pain where the coils are located.
Thinning hair.
Irregular bleeding and spotting.
Menstrual cycles or periods that are much worse than before the Essure procedure was performed.

Also here is a blog with some horrible side-effects. _http://vervilledeb1.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/essure-problems-continue-among-women/

If the coils do have nickel in them it could really be a problem for someone who perhaps doesn't know they have an allergy to nickel. I for one do and I can't wear any cheap earrings that have nickel in them, or my ears will hurt and get kind of infected.

my2c

 

[skycsil]

If the coils do have nickel in them it could really be a problem for someone who perhaps doesn't know they have an allergy to nickel. I for one do and I can't wear any cheap earrings that have nickel in them, or my ears will hurt and get kind of infected.

my2c

Same. Only gold or surgical steel earrings for me. Those implants can have some really nasty side effects.

 

[Firefly]

Thank you all for your comments. You certainly gave me a lot to think about. As an alternative to Essure, I am also looking into Adiana - again, it's non-sergical and they place a silicone matrix the size of a rice-grain after cauterizing the opening into the tubes. Does anyone know anything about that? Understanding that there are risks with any procedure, what can be an acceptable option, given that the tubal ligation cannot be one of them (even if I put my OR fear aside). For the reasons I prefer not to go into, vasectomy is not an option either. Abstinence is not either ;D.

 

[Josi]

Hi Firefly,

Found this:

Adiana: Such a pretty name for a deadly product.
From
BlissfulWork66's Blog in General by BlissfulWo..
2 Comments
Another "product" from the makers of Nova Sure, called "Adiana" is another Big Pharma mess wrapped up as a benefit for women's health. Adiana is permanent birth control in which a foriegn object is placed into the fallopian tubes causing scarring; thereby producing sterility. The problem is there are painful side effects. Cases of pregancy have occurred after the procedure. The pregnancies are usually tubal pregnancies resulting in emergency sugery to remove the fallopian tube. This is life threatening and has resulted in fatalities. The "lucky" woman is then hormone deficient and tossed into menopause by the non-functioning ovary. Not to mention the pain of an un-planned pregnancy. Many women experience severe PMS and cramping every month after the procedure. When will women learn that the uterus is not meant to be a science experiment zone?

by Kimarie Manhart-Freeman

 

[Risen]

I just have one thing to add. Neither tubal ligation nor vasectomy are 100% effective. I have known a few people (myself included) who have conceived after either procedure. The human body is regenerative especially with proper diet. Good luck to you.

 

[Firefly]

Hi Firefly,

Found this:

Adiana: Such a pretty name for a deadly product.
From
BlissfulWork66's Blog in General by BlissfulWo..
2 Comments
Another "product" from the makers of Nova Sure, called "Adiana" is another Big Pharma mess wrapped up as a benefit for women's health. Adiana is permanent birth control in which a foriegn object is placed into the fallopian tubes causing scarring; thereby producing sterility. The problem is there are painful side effects. Cases of pregancy have occurred after the procedure. The pregnancies are usually tubal pregnancies resulting in emergency sugery to remove the fallopian tube. This is life threatening and has resulted in fatalities. The "lucky" woman is then hormone deficient and tossed into menopause by the non-functioning ovary. Not to mention the pain of an un-planned pregnancy. Many women experience severe PMS and cramping every month after the procedure. When will women learn that the uterus is not meant to be a science experiment zone?

by Kimarie Manhart-Freeman

Hmm....did some more reading. Apparently, you can get ectopic pregnancy after conventional tubal ligation as well.. The comment is corrects, having experienced tubal pregnancy (I ended up loosing most of left tube in an emergency surgery) I can attest that it is a life threatening condition. Not quite sure what the comment was referring to when they were talking about a non-funcional ovary and an early menopause, since loosing the tube does not affect the ovary and the uterus. I must've misunderstood or have very limited experience, but in my case my ovary is still fine so is my uterus. So since none of the options can prevent ectopic pregnancy, what is a viable option to getting your tubes blocked?

 

[anart]

So since none of the options can prevent ectopic pregnancy, what is a viable option to getting your tubes blocked?

A vasectomy for the male... (?)

 

[Firefly]

I just have one thing to add. Neither tubal ligation nor vasectomy are 100% effective. I have known a few people (myself included) who have conceived after either procedure. The human body is regenerative especially with proper diet. Good luck to you.

Opossum, if you don't mind sharing, i would like to learn some more about how the proper diet can regenerate. Perhaps, I should explain my situation and the reasons for my quest for information. I had a tubal pregnancy that was not caught in time by my doctor and ended up loosing most of my left tube. They could not remove it entirely because portion of it is attached to an ovary by some old scare tissue. My right tube is very damaged by prior surgeries and is almost fused with the uterus. So cutting that tube is not an option either. Past surgical interventions left me scared of any surgical procedures. I cannot just left the tubes in the current state - on my left side I am let with the pocket collects fluid and on my right side I have a badly damaged tube that is mostly occluded which presents a lot of risks for ectopic pregnancy. So I have to either block the tubes or try to repair with the proper diet so if i do get pregnant, it would be a normal intra-uterine pregnancy. My preference would actually be the latter. So at the moment I am researching both - ways to block the tubes and ways to repair. So far it looks like there is a lot more info on blocking the tubes.

 

[Firefly]

So since none of the options can prevent ectopic pregnancy, what is a viable option to getting your tubes blocked?

A vasectomy for the male... (?)

Not an option in our case.

 

[Risen]

Opossum, if you don't mind sharing, i would like to learn some more about how the proper diet can regenerate.

Hi Firefly, What I meant was that when a person does not eat properly the body wastes a lot of energy in trying to function normally and just to survive. The proper diet for you depends on your blood type and genetics and it would be worthwhile doing some research on this. In my experience, one of the most important aspects of a healthy diet is to avoid excess. Our organs can function at optimum efficiency when we are thin unless one lives in a very cold climate where fat for insulation against cold is a necessity. Avoiding additives and preservatives is also important because these things put a tremendous strain on the liver and kidneys.
I conceived 23 years after tubal ligation after changing my diet and by colon cleansing. For me this meant cooking all my own meals and avoiding restaurants and processed food of any kind. I also ate most of my fruits and vegetables raw and cut down on milk , sugar and wheat (this was before I discovered Sott.net). I just had a strong feeling that I needed to change my diet. I also practice auto-urine therapy (drinking one's own morning urine). I know this is not a popular concept but it works for me. At my last physical my doctor said I am in perfect health and I am not a "spring chicken" by any means. I haven't had even a head cold in years, no sinus problems, no high blood pressure, no arthritis, nothing. I am considered to be slightly underweight by western standards but I do not look ill, only thin. I also look about 15 to 20 years younger than most people my age ( other people tell me this) and I do smoke about 10 home rolled natural tobacco cigarettes a day.
This is just my own experience which I am sharing with you because you asked. I don't know if the diet changes would have done all this good without the auto-urine therapy or not but it helped even before I started the therapy, in fact my tubes regenerated with only the diet changes.
I am sorry to hear about your condition and wish you all the best in your search for the correct solution for you.

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