Tucker Carlson interviews & ideologies

[Hesper]

This interview felt like the warmth of the bright sun during a bitter winter. I felt grateful to be able to witness such an historic event.

In the short clip below Scott Ritter sums up, in his view, the importance of the interview. He says that, though it may not have solved anything in itself, it has most certainly initiated a process that Tucker and like minded individuals may expand upon. He says they now have the "ammunition".

I would say that Putin graciously shared an abundance of knowledge without conceit, but with a sincere and lighthearted desire to connect with the humanity on the other side.

 

[JEEP]

So much discussed but I get the impression Putin's aim throughout was to stress that Russia has done everything it can to reach out and try to create dialogue. His bottom line was ,if the West and in particular USA wants peace, the ball is now in their court. In a nut shell the West are the ones continuing this war.

Yes, I was annoyed when Tucker asked for the third time, (paraphrasing) "Why don't you just call Biden up directly to resolve the war"? I suppose this could have been strategy on Tucker's part to make clear what is in the quote box above.

Putin also carefully laid out the facts concerning Wall Street Journal reporter Evan Gershkovich that Tucker made a plea to release to his entourage. Again, Putin detailed the process of protocol and legal proceedings involved in the very complicated matters Tucker inquired about - plus the fact Gershkovich was caught red-handed engaged in espionage. His calm and patience in explaining these things, not just to Tucker, but the millions that will listen to the interview, was evident.

 

[Alana]

In anticipation of the interview, Alexander Dugin had the following to say, which I found very refreshing, insightful and informative, in regard to how some Russians at least, viewed Tucker's visit to their country:

Tucker, Putin, and the Apocalypse

Why is Tucker Carlson’s interview considered pivotal for both the West and Russia?

Let us start with the simpler part: Russia. Here, Tucker Carlson has become a focal point for two polar opposites within Russian society: ideological patriots and elite Westernisers who nonetheless remain loyal to Putin and the Special Military Operation. For patriots, Tucker Carlson is simply ‘one of us’. He is a traditionalist, a right-wing conservative, and a staunch opponent of liberalism. This is what twenty-first-century emissaries to the Russian tsar look like.

Putin does not often interact with prominent representatives of the fundamentally conservative camp. The attention the Kremlin pays him ignites the patriot’s heart, inspiring the continuation of a conservative-traditionalist course in Russia itself. Now it is possible and necessary: Russian power has defined its ideology. We have embarked on this path and will not deviate from it. Yet, patriots are always afraid we will. No.

On the other hand, the Westernisers sighed with relief: see, not everything in the West is bad, and there are good and objective people, we told you! Let us be friends with such a West, think the Westernisers, even if the rest of the globalist liberal West does not want to be friends but only bombards us with sanctions, and with missiles and cluster bombs, killing our women, children, and the elderly. We are at war with the liberal West, so let there at least be friendship with the conservative West. Thus, Russian patriots and Russian Westernisers (increasingly more Russian and less Western) come to a consensus in the figure of Tucker Carlson.

In the West, everything is even more fundamental. Tucker Carlson is a symbolic figure. He is now the main symbol of the America that hates Biden, liberals, and globalists and is preparing to vote for Trump. Trump, Carlson, and Musk, plus Texas Governor Abbott, are the faces of the looming American Revolution, this time a Conservative Revolution. To this already powerful resource, Russia connects. No, it is not about Putin supporting Trump, which could easily be dismissed in the context of war with the United States. Carlson’s visit is about something else. Biden and his maniacs have effectively attacked a great nuclear power through the hands of Kiev’s unleashed terrorists, and humanity is on the verge of destruction. Nothing more, nothing less.

The globalist media continue to spin a Marvel series for infants, where Spider-Man Zelensky magically wins with superpowers and magical pigs against the Kremlin’s ‘Dr. Evil’. However, this is just a cheap, silly series. In reality, everything is heading towards the use of nuclear weapons and possibly the destruction of humanity. Tucker Carlson conducts a reality check: does the West understand what it is doing, pushing the world towards the apocalypse? There is a real Putin and a real Russia, not these staged characters and settings from Marvel. Look what the globalists have done and how close we are to it!

It is not about the content of the interview with Putin. It is the fact that a person like Tucker Carlson is visiting a country like Russia to meet a political figure like Putin at such a critical time. Tucker Carlson’s trip to Moscow might be the last chance to stop the disappearance of humanity. The gigantic billion-strong attention to this pivotal interview from humanity itself, as well as the frenzied, inhuman rage of Biden, the globalists, and the world’s citizens intoxicated with decay, testify to humanity’s awareness of the seriousness of the situation.

The world can only be saved by stopping now. For that, America must choose Trump. And Tucker Carlson. And Elon Musk. And Abbott. Then we get a chance to pause on the brink of the abyss. Compared to this, everything else is secondary. Liberalism and its agenda have led humanity to a dead end. Now the choice is this: either liberals or humanity. Tucker Carlson chooses humanity, which is why he came to Moscow to meet Putin. The whole world understood why he came and how important it is.

by Alexander Dugin
@ArktosJournal
Translated by Constantin von Hoffmeister
@constantinvonh
https://arktosjournal.com/p/tucker-putin-and-the-apocalypse

 

[mkrnhr]

Does anyone know if there's a way to download the video? I won't have time to get to it until late this weekend and I'm a little worried it may be taken down

I watched and downloaded from odysee, there are lots of people who shared the interview there and one can download directly from there (click the three vertical dots at the right of the video and the option to download appears). The video I downloaded is only 160Mb, I can share it somewhere if needed.

 

[onemen]

That's only or premium users though. I started a free trial to download it but I don't see any option to store it locally on my laptop. It's stored on YouTube's platform anyway.

I use 4k video downloader to download youtube videos but i just copy/pasted the Tucker's video twitter link on this website Telecharger video Twitter en MP4 ou MP3 en ligne - Twitter video download

 

[WhiteMountain]

When I think of the alternative though, a world with many nuclear powers guided only by self-interest and no security framework (aka mutual deterrence and binding treaties) it basically sounds like lawlessness on the world stage. If we can take what Bukele has done in El Salvador as a microcosm, introducing harsh laws to incarcerate criminals, with clear social benefits, I think we can see in that the potential of a multipolar world order organized under international law. The same could be said for China's incarceration of financial parasites. I just don't think anarchy works on this planet, on a small scale or large.

I'm not opposed to global government if it's directed on the basis of actually respecting and enforcing human rights, upholding agreements, and a focus on trade and cross-cultural sharing, and win-win cooperation, reason, mutual respect, etc. This looks to me like what the BRICS+ is organizing, to the degree possible in 3D. Ideally this would a globalism amongst sovereigns, or a world-wide scale of the Musketeer's principle 'All for one, and one for all'. It'll sure be interesting to wait and see how it all unfolds. In the interview, Putin seemed confident that it is as inevitable as the rising of the sun.

The psychopaths and hyperdimensional overlords may go into full evil mode to subvert it all in the near future, but IMO the era we're entering sure looks a lot better than Team America World Police on the one hand, or global nuclear-armed anarchy on the other. We may actually be headed for a Peace of Westphalia redux!

A Challenge to Pepe Escobar: Why the True Westphalian System is in Perfect Harmony with the New Silk Road and Tianxia

On January 10, 2019, the talented journalist Pepe Escobar wrote a widely circulated report entitled "All Under Heaven: China's Challenge to the Westphalian System", which explained how China's ascension to a position of global influence with the...

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I don't know what the future will hold for China in particular. It seems to me that they've made pretty good on their path of Confucian ethics to maintain social harmony (banning porn and limiting video game time), and a blend of Marxist/Market economics. They've got a peaceful foreign policy, too, relatively speaking. They don't seem like they want to be the new hegemon. These all look like good signs to me, as I don't see the signs of outright ponerization in China, quite the opposite. I could be wrong, but a new evil China-led NWO just doesn't look to be in the cards to my eyes. At least not for a while.

My two cents.

Yes I am not totally opposed to world government either, as long as each country has mostly local autonomy as well as a right to secede if the general government starts to abuse its authority - which is the rule, not the exception. Look at the US. The constitution is literally in shambles and the Feds are constantly trampling all over state's rights and individual rights. The EU has been a total disaster...not only were most of the people given no choice as to whether to join the EU (except Ireland - where they kept voting until the technocrats got the result they wanted), but now EU is passing all sorts of crazy laws that legislatures in the individual countries are powerless to stop. And look what happens when a country like Hungary tries to exercise its veto to stop Ukraine funding - it is THREATENED to not do it. The same way Putin talked about NATO countries being threatened to adopt Russia hostile policies. This is the history of movements to consolidate power - the rights of local and national governments are eviscerated, often at the expense of the people. And just look at what the "United Nations" (aka United In Tyranny) is proposing - all these BS climate change and NWO rules that ultimately lead to loss of freedom and economic poverty for the masses.

It is the attempt at centralization by one great power or group or oligarchs or another to create this type of greater order that is the source of a lot of wars. Regionalized wars are often proxy wars between the great powers. Hitler wanted to bring about a one world government a 1,000 year reign of peace, as long as his nation was in control. The US/European oligarches have been trying to do the same for decades. And my concern is, despite the rhetoric, the BRICS will become the same. As long as psychopaths head up these countries, centralization will lead to less accountability to the people and less freedom.

The true answer is local autonomy and self determination. Let individual nations determine their own rules without external interference. And a radical change in how governments are run to get rid of the psychopaths. One of the biggest problems is democracy is a lie. We are given 2-3 choices, amongst people often financed by the elites, and maybe the corrupt machines allow the actual winner to be the winner. But the elite almost always control who is in charge, and almost all nations have given too much power to the executive branch. With technology today we could effectively radically decentralize power back to the people. This is a project I am currently working on. When the people have more power and responsibility, the chances of arbitrary wars on behalf of the few go down. That is because the incentive for war goes down - even if you have a lie about a war propogated broadly, the incentives go down if you get rid of the corruption associated with the wars (money laundering, no bid military contracts, etc.). The risk reward would suck for those in power because you would have a government with real accountability. It is just in no one but the people's best interest to implement this right now. That can change...

Finally with regard to China, I would not want them to be a model for where we are going. Yes, China's foreign policy has been a lot more admirable than that of the US recently (aside from how they have treated Taiwan and Hong Kong - yes I know HK is technically part of China but they blatantly violated the reunification agreement in 2019). And in fact China is not Communist, it is a technocracy, which is the exact same system the WEF wants to bring into power (only with different goals - like this climate change hoax which is probably more of a means to and end - scamming freedom loving westerners to become slaves). The WEF OPENLY ADMIRES CHINA! I have been to China and understand it is a lot freer and open than many in the West like to admit. BUT at the same time, there are severe restrictions on freedom of speech and expression, which is totally unconscionable. When you have a great firewall in your country and everything is so tightly controlled, people have a right to assume the worst about a country because it is hard for the truth to get out. The social media networks are trying to get rid of speech in the West the same way. It is a 1984 surveillance state (not that I can say much more about the West these days). The way they handled COVID with such draconian measures was unconscionable. Ask the people of Hong Kong whether they would rather be under the British or Chinese (I almost moved there in 2007 believing China would leave it be, but my friend who did live there got out in 2019 when the Chicoms basically destroyed the local democratic freedoms). What about the people of Taiwan's right to self determination? Taiwan certainly has more right to self determination having NEVER been under Communist rule, than the Donbass who was nominally actually part of Ukraine in 2014. Yet China insists Taiwan goes from being one of the freest nations in the world now to China's technocratic social control system.

 

[PopHistorian]

Does anyone know if there's a way to download the video? I won't have time to get to it until late this weekend and I'm a little worried it may be taken down

The interview is here on Twitter,

https://twitter.com/x/status/1755734526678925682

and may be download with any of several online tools such as Twitter Video Downloader - Download twitter videos & GIF Online - just paste in the tweet's URL. If that doesn't work, there are multiple Twitter video downloaders you may find with a web search.

 

[Chu]

Well, I thought it was GREAT! Yeah, us here know most of it and more, and maybe would have wished for more "juicy" stuff, but to broadcast THAT to all of Tucker's viewers is something!

 

[youlik]

As I expected, nothing sensational happened for me personally. Putin was, as they say, "in his repertoire" - calm, prepared, diplomatic.
The quality of the questions did not impress me, but it probably should have been so, because someone else from the ancient Greek teachers of public speaking said that when addressing a crowd, one should speak as with its most intellectually poor representative. The audience was obviously supposed to be as wide as possible and the current data indicate a lot of interest.
I sincerely hope that this event will help someone open their eyes.

Putin has entered the X trends in the United States, his interview with Carlson is watched by tens of millions of viewers

Publications mentioning Russian President Vladimir Putin have become a current trend on the social network X (formerly Twitter) in the United States.

Against the background of the publication of Putin's interview with American journalist Tucker Carlson, the number of publications mentioning the Russian leader in the mentioned social network exceeded 1.4 million.

By 10 a.m. (Moscow time), Carlson's interview with Putin had gained more than 60 million views on X and another 2.5 million views on Carlson's YouTube channel.

In the comments, Western viewers write that they are impressed by the ability of the Russian president to speak freely and competently on difficult topics and compare him with the head of the United States Joe Biden, who today confused Egypt and Mexico.

https://rusvesna.su/news/1707464359

Spoiler: Russian spelling

Как я и ожидал, для меня лично ничего сенсационного не произошло. Путин был, что называется "в своем репертуаре"- спокоен, подготовлен, дипломатичен.
Качество вопросов меня не впечатлило, но наверно так и должно было быть ведь еще кто то из древнегреческих учителей ораторского искусства говорил, что обращаясь к толпе надо говорить как с самым интеллектуально бедным ее представителем. Аудитория очевидно предполагалась максимально широкая и нынешние данные говорят о большом интересе.
Я от всей души надеюсь, что это мероприятие поможет кому то открыть глаза.

 

[iamthatis]

Yes I am not totally opposed to world government either, as long as each country has mostly local autonomy as well as a right to secede if the general government starts to abuse its authority - which is the rule, not the exception. Look at the US. The constitution is literally in shambles and the Feds are constantly trampling all over state's rights and individual rights. The EU has been a total disaster...not only were most of the people given no choice as to whether to join the EU (except Ireland - where they kept voting until the technocrats got the result they wanted), but now EU is passing all sorts of crazy laws that legislatures in the individual countries are powerless to stop. And look what happens when a country like Hungary tries to exercise its veto to stop Ukraine funding - it is THREATENED to not do it. The same way Putin talked about NATO countries being threatened to adopt Russia hostile policies. This is the history of movements to consolidate power - the rights of local and national governments are eviscerated, often at the expense of the people. And just look at what the "United Nations" (aka United In Tyranny) is proposing - all these BS climate change and NWO rules that ultimately lead to loss of freedom and economic poverty for the masses.

It is the attempt at centralization by one great power or group or oligarchs or another to create this type of greater order that is the source of a lot of wars. Regionalized wars are often proxy wars between the great powers. Hitler wanted to bring about a one world government a 1,000 year reign of peace, as long as his nation was in control. The US/European oligarches have been trying to do the same for decades. And my concern is, despite the rhetoric, the BRICS will become the same. As long as psychopaths head up these countries, centralization will lead to less accountability to the people and less freedom.

The true answer is local autonomy and self determination. Let individual nations determine their own rules without external interference. And a radical change in how governments are run to get rid of the psychopaths. One of the biggest problems is democracy is a lie. We are given 2-3 choices, amongst people often financed by the elites, and maybe the corrupt machines allow the actual winner to be the winner. But the elite almost always control who is in charge, and almost all nations have given too much power to the executive branch. With technology today we could effectively radically decentralize power back to the people. This is a project I am currently working on. When the people have more power and responsibility, the chances of arbitrary wars on behalf of the few go down. That is because the incentive for war goes down - even if you have a lie about a war propogated broadly, the incentives go down if you get rid of the corruption associated with the wars (money laundering, no bid military contracts, etc.). The risk reward would suck for those in power because you would have a government with real accountability. It is just in no one but the people's best interest to implement this right now. That can change...

I think freedom is only meaningful when balanced with responsibility. BRICS+ and the multipolar world order represents a return to the sovereignty of nation states IMO, united under some pretty decent values. It's likely they're the world's best bet for the local autonomy and self-determination you're talking about, but balanced with responsibility, enshrined in international law. As the Apostle Paul says, the Law is necessary to keep the forces of evil at bay. And the truest form of freedom is maximal responsibility - service to others. Freedom in and of itself is a risky proposition, and can lead to social ruin. I thought the discussion on this topic in this MindMatters interview was pretty insightful:

MindMatters: Gurdjieff, Fourth Way, and Solioonensius in the New Normal - with Alan Francis

Gurdjieff escaped the Russian Empire during the outbreak of mass madness otherwise known as the Great Russian Revolution. He lived and taught in France during the Nazi occupation. But the connection between Gurdjieff, the Fourth Way, and...

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About the ideal of power being decentralized back to the people... I used to be all for it. Now I'm not so sure. There I was, a severely mechanical, broken person - trying to fix the world! Like a monkey with a stick trying to fix a helicopter. I turned to politics instead of facing the problems at home and also within myself. I've come to see that I don't know how to fix much at all. My focus these days is more on improving myself and doing the Work and letting that be my contribution to a better world. Gurdjieff has a funny diatribe that really hit home for me:

"I'm going to talk a little bit about politics with you. I know about communism. I too was a communist. There's no education, no authority in communism. They do not recognize it. Authority is not permitted. Everybody must be equal. If you've noticed, this was impossible in your own life then you'll understand that in communism it is just as impossible. If you understand that, the communist idea can die in you. It must die if you know anything about Ashiata Shiemash. In communism they choose the leaders, the directors, from the herd, idiots who know nothing at all. They choose only people who are full of self-love and vanity.

The system of Ashiata Shiemash is the opposite of all that. By comparison other systems are nothing. Communism or monarchy, it is all the same. They choose some idiot with all those same flaws. You will understand what I was saying and why. One is a great idiocy and the other two. It is the same shit in both cases. A collective existence is only possible through one system, that of Mr. Ashiata Shiemash. Right now our only concern is the development of candidates to become future followers of Ashiata Shiemash. Later on we will be among them. Do you understand?"

"Your monarchy, your communism, your surrealism, all have exactly the same quality, the same value. All four, five, ten, however many exist, it is the same thing, the same smell. It smells like a chicken's ass. The expression does exist. When you buy a chicken, you always sniff it in one place, whether it's old or young, there is one place you sniff - under the tail. That's the way you can tell if it's old or young, if it was killed five days, a week or a month before. That is why you smell it there. All chickens smell the same in that place, but with different qualities. Old, one quality, young, another quality, but both are mixed with the smell of shit. It is the same with all your political parties. The smell is mixed with the smell of shit."

So yeah, where I've come to is that we're in 3D school, and I'm a student here. While I have some ideas about how the place could smell better than a chicken's butt, I think I'll leave that up to the divine cosmic school board.

Finally with regard to China, I would not want them to be a model for where we are going.

I don't think anyone says that aside from fearful Westerners. I think it's a hangover of Team America World Police, the assumption being that the most powerful country on the planet will necessarily start shoving their way of life down everyone's throats - 'cuz that's what the American gov't did for so many decades. Many Americans are being actively programmed to fear that this will be done to them in payback for US crimes against humanity as they fall from the top spot. The C's have said that America will receive retribution. I could be wrong, but I don't think China has any interest in that, they're more into building tons of trains and ports and roads, etc., without the cultural and economic domination seen under US unipolarity.

Yes, China's foreign policy has been a lot more admirable than that of the US recently (aside from how they have treated Taiwan and Hong Kong - yes I know HK is technically part of China but they blatantly violated the reunification agreement in 2019). And in fact China is not Communist, it is a technocracy, which is the exact same system the WEF wants to bring into power (only with different goals - like this climate change hoax which is probably more of a means to and end - scamming freedom loving westerners to become slaves). The WEF OPENLY ADMIRES CHINA!

I think China and the WEF are very, very different. Conflating the two is more Chinese bogey-man talk mentioned by Putin IMO. We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on that.

I have been to China and understand it is a lot freer and open than many in the West like to admit. BUT at the same time, there are severe restrictions on freedom of speech and expression, which is totally unconscionable. When you have a great firewall in your country and everything is so tightly controlled, people have a right to assume the worst about a country because it is hard for the truth to get out. The social media networks are trying to get rid of speech in the West the same way. It is a 1984 surveillance state (not that I can say much more about the West these days). The way they handled COVID with such draconian measures was unconscionable. Ask the people of Hong Kong whether they would rather be under the British or Chinese (I almost moved there in 2007 believing China would leave it be, but my friend who did live there got out in 2019 when the Chicoms basically destroyed the local democratic freedoms).

I thought you were saying local autonomy and self-determination were key... but the Chinese in Hong Kong were better off under the British curing the Century of Humiliation? Dude!

What about the people of Taiwan's right to self determination? Taiwan certainly has more right to self determination having NEVER been under Communist rule, than the Donbass who was nominally actually part of Ukraine in 2014. Yet China insists Taiwan goes from being one of the freest nations in the world now to China's technocratic social control system.

Blinken couldn't have said it better himself. You don't seem to understand that Taiwan is positioned against China by the PTB much like Ukraine was positioned against Russia. Lots of articles on SOTT could set you straight on this.

The Chinese bogeyman is such serious issue for many Westerners, it would be great if Tucker would interview Xi. That would be the only way he could top his Putin interview IMO! The ultimate treason!

 

[happyliza]

Great interview, probably my favorite was how knowledgable Putin is and how he showcases this as he speaks.

He picked up momentum little by little and spoke very well on most topics, despite his directness, he was never offensive or defensive, he was courteous and tactful. He wasn't even antagonizing agains that US despite everything, his whole thing was.. "The US needs to change its attitude about the inevitable change taking place in the world" simple.

All items and concepts we're fairly familiar with but he delivered them with tremendous calm.

A few quotes from Tucker after the interview that I felt were interesting



Also, I kept thinking, imagine Biden sitting down for an interview in a different language for 2 hours, and then I didn't even have to wonder what that would look like, today Biden decided to address the nation today to express his thanks over not being indicted for mishandling documents and information, and oh boy, he confused the president of Mexico with the president of Egypt, on the same day that Putin is schooling Tucker Carlson about how the planet works, Biden can't even remember the country he's supposed to be talking about.



Need I say more?

That was why I found it hilarious, especially as it was BEFORE the event, that Putin said he couldn't 'remember' when he last spoke to Biden. In fact he said he couldn't remember twice!!
Though it is common knowledge Biden cannot remember I am sure that was a cute intention lol

 

[happyliza]

I think the interview encapsulates everything that actually is important, and most of the things that I had hoped he would cover. Also important is the history lesson, which we can guarantee will be the truth - and few leaders would have a clue of their own history! If you don't know where you have been, how do you know how to steer where to sensibly go - for the right reasons.

The whole interview serves as an ideal background to share in these times of propaganda machine dominance. It also shows the ethics and morals of many decisions grossly lacking in the West.

I too thought it brilliant to leave the final thoughts on that of the soul, and the soul of Russia and its people. So glad Tucker covers this and the hyperdimensional - and hope to hear more of that from him in the future.

I was not really impressed with the final plea for a political prisoner and glad the truth was expertly emphasized and doubly so, for those who had been brainwashed about it. Though it did lead to important procedures, and hopefully an open warning to all future spies. (Which Turkey is doing a good job of rounding up atm lol).

It is such a pleasure to listen to such serious, eloquent and deeply knowledgeable discussions. I personally appreciated the history lesson!

I am glad everything was kept on point, so not to detract from the deep lessons and karmic implications, and the rise and fall of empires etc. So glad he singled out the Roman Empire! All the current genocides and wars are just deeper evil repeats of what is being discussed here and could have detracted from the main messages, unsettling and as important as they are I feel.

The poise and concentration of both parties for the lengthy interview was another super example, when few people nowadays can sit still or listen for more than 5 minutes! Putin must do this each and every day!!

I am glad he did not waste time, or divulge confidential discussions. Far better to make poplulations do their own research, confirm his pointers themselves. And then question their own leaders about items conveniently swept under the table. Inluding all the magnificent statistics he could quote verbatim, further emphasizing the huge differences in their goals/care of their peoples.

Putin also proved nothing excapes him and that he is bang up to date on all that is happening in the world that matters, whether he chooses to admit it or not!

An interview the rabble MSM will be impossible to upstage or better

 

[Ben]

It was a great interview and especially toward the end became completely absorbing. Ever the consummate strategist, I think that Putin deliberately held back a lot here because of the context. This was an opportunity to show people that he isn't burning any bridges with the US, everything has been a response to their actions. This is completely consistent with his diplomatic approach to date, but in his speeches he has expressed more fully the extent of the rift and why it is unlikely to be fixed for a long time. He could have ranted about all the problems, but those with eyes to see already know and those who don't will have to learn to see it for themselves.

He is giving the powerful interests of the West yet another warning, on record, and another opportunity to achieve the peace which they claim they want, even as he knows that's all lies. There is a chance that the common people will understand this fact and demand change, and he wants to take every chance. Putin can't fix things for them, only lead by the example of Russia and its partnerships.

 

[aragorn]

Well, I thought it was GREAT! Yeah, us here know most of it and more, and maybe would have wished for more "juicy" stuff, but to broadcast THAT to all of Tucker's viewers is something!

Agree! I just finished listening to it and Putin’s manner reminded me of a parent who patiently explains things to his kids using age-appropriate diplomatic versions of things. Like “you kids don’t need to know ALL the details us grown ups do”.

Also, he certainly knew the audience he was talking to, and adjusted his answers accordingly. The way he avoided giving direct answers to certain questions made me smile.

 

[WhiteMountain]

I think freedom is only meaningful when balanced with responsibility. BRICS+ and the multipolar world order represents a return to the sovereignty of nation states IMO, united under some pretty decent values. It's likely they're the world's best bet for the local autonomy and self-determination you're talking about, but balanced with responsibility, enshrined in international law. As the Apostle Paul says, the Law is necessary to keep the forces of evil at bay. And the truest form of freedom is maximal responsibility - service to others. Freedom in and of itself is a risky proposition, and can lead to social ruin. I thought the discussion on this topic in this MindMatters interview was pretty insightful:

MindMatters: Gurdjieff, Fourth Way, and Solioonensius in the New Normal - with Alan Francis

Gurdjieff escaped the Russian Empire during the outbreak of mass madness otherwise known as the Great Russian Revolution. He lived and taught in France during the Nazi occupation. But the connection between Gurdjieff, the Fourth Way, and...

www.sott.net

About the ideal of power being decentralized back to the people... I used to be all for it. Now I'm not so sure. There I was, a severely mechanical, broken person - trying to fix the world! Like a monkey with a stick trying to fix a helicopter. I turned to politics instead of facing the problems at home and also within myself. I've come to see that I don't know how to fix much at all. My focus these days is more on improving myself and doing the Work and letting that be my contribution to a better world. Gurdjieff has a funny diatribe that really hit home for me:


So yeah, where I've come to is that we're in 3D school, and I'm a student here. While I have some ideas about how the place could smell better than a chicken's butt, I think I'll leave that up to the divine cosmic school board.



I don't think anyone says that aside from fearful Westerners. I think it's a hangover of Team America World Police, the assumption being that the most powerful country on the planet will necessarily start shoving their way of life down everyone's throats - 'cuz that's what the American gov't did for so many decades. Many Americans are being actively programmed to fear that this will be done to them in payback for US crimes against humanity as they fall from the top spot. The C's have said that America will receive retribution. I could be wrong, but I don't think China has any interest in that, they're more into building tons of trains and ports and roads, etc., without the cultural and economic domination seen under US unipolarity.



I think China and the WEF are very, very different. Conflating the two is more Chinese bogey-man talk mentioned by Putin IMO. We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on that.



I thought you were saying local autonomy and self-determination were key... but the Chinese in Hong Kong were better off under the British curing the Century of Humiliation? Dude!



Blinken couldn't have said it better himself. You don't seem to understand that Taiwan is positioned against China by the PTB much like Ukraine was positioned against Russia. Lots of articles on SOTT could set you straight on this.

The Chinese bogeyman is such serious issue for many Westerners, it would be great if Tucker would interview Xi. That would be the only way he could top his Putin interview IMO! The ultimate treason!

Was Hong Kong better of when the British were there?, absolutely! Ask my friend who moved there in 2007 (when I was considering joining him) who decided to move out in 2019 despite setting up his operations there. He told me a lot of stuff that was happening behind the scenes that never made it to the press, including the fact they had Chinese agents literally fomenting violence in the protests to justify the crackdown. And this was not some guy who is anti-China at all, at least before that event. Most of his business deals with Chinese companies. He knows it well. He was the first who told me China is not what you expect before I visited there.

What self determination in the people of Hong Kong have now? The people literally have no say. Only Chinese imposed leaders are allowed to govern. At least under the British they had local elections. They had their own laws. Would it be better that it was independent?, absolutely! But I would prefer what they had before versus the clamp down the Chinese pushed on them in 2019. Even when I was there in 2014 the people were very unhappy with Chinese rule and there were non violent protests. There was nothing like that in 2007, and inflation was noticeably much higher in 2014.

Ask the Taiwanese what they want as well. They just had an election that showed the will of the people, and I knew two people living there now (including the friend who used to live in Hong Kong) and trust me, both would get out ASAP if China took over. One of them told me they literally have the TSMC factories set to be blown up internally if China takes over - that is how much they do not want to come under the authoritarian rule of the Chinese. And neither like the policies of the West either. One even commented to me he did agree with the way Xi was handling the cultural issues and how stupid the woke stuff had gotten. But you can admire the latter and recognize that there are also severe problems with basic freedoms in the same country.

I don't get this idea that just because the US is evil, everyone who is opposing them has to be good. I would not want to live in either the US or China (but if I had to chose, I would chose the US even though I left the US, because I value freedom of speech and control over my own life, and the US is still better than China, if but barely now...). Both are horrible models. Russia would be better than both. Putin I like. Xi I cannot stand. His predecessor Hu Jintao was much better, and the country was actually progressing towards more freedom under him.

I don't see how bringing the WEF into this not relevant either. The Klaus Schwab openly praises the Chinese model. WEF wants "stakeholder capitalism" which is basically the state (through the corporations) controlling and managing all the resources of the people, just like is done in China. They want to clamp down on free speech, just like behind the great firewall of China.

I support the BRICS movement because the US dollar system needs to be crushed. I also agree, that the US deserves some massive karmic payback. That being said, I want a global order that is multpolar with no more globalist powers doing any bullying and each country left alone to pursue their own interests - the interests of their people. And I very much hope my suspicions are wrong on this.

Let me give you an idea of how decentralization can work. Say you have a case of corruption. You have standing grand juries that any person, not just a prosecutor, can bring evidence to. They then vote on an ordered list of all the cases that should be prosecuted with the most heinous crimes at the top, with the ability to hire independent attorneys to prosecute if state attorneys are not willing. That way the most violent crimes are prosecuted first and victimless crimes do not make the threshold.

What happens now if a corrupt official wants to go after someone like Assange. It is rubber stamped by a corrupt prosecutor, and then a judge. If you take it through the grand jury process above (using cryptographically secure selection, not the current "Magic Wheel" used in the US to profile the pool to assure a conviction) the people would not indict (a proper grand jury system with adversarial roles so you cannot "indict a ham sandwich"). Even if they chose to indict, the severity of his "crime" would be so down the ordered choice priority list it would never be tried. So you prevent normal people from being persecuted by the state. In China if the state wants you behind bars, you have no hope. It basically the same in the US (maybe slightly better because innocent targets do occassionally get acquitted).

And what happens with corruption. In China or the US corrupt prosecutors are not going to bring a case against the true insiders. Hunter Biden anyone? But if you had this system, any person could bring the evidence and the grand jury could hire a private detective and private lawyer (not beholden by Biden) with a history of public interest work to take on the case. They bring it back to them, the indictment goes forward if there is evidence, regardless of what the President thinks.

But this only happens with decentralization. If you have any system where "elites" have top down authority to pursue cases they have an incentive to be bought or blackmailed. That is much harder to do in a decentralized system, even if you don't think people know what they are doing. I think the average person off the street, in most cases, when presented with the right information will make better decisions that psychopaths who have higher IQs due to the integrity issue. In short, I believe decentralization and better mechanisms of government are the only government solutions to political ponerization. The more centralized the system, the more potential for corruption.

But you can put in systems like this throughout the government to make it work. But you can only have such a system if you have a free society WITH FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION. Most governments, especially China, could never allow a system like the one above because they could not convict people of thought crimes - juries would not rubber stamp it.

Instead of joining one authoritarian faction or another, the people need to unite in principle against the elites that run all the governments.