WIN 52 said:
The Strawman said:
H-kqge said:
...Given that british people are generally indifferent about most things...
Hmm. Care to back that up with evidence?
We have 'british' people being abused and injured by psycho-police right now because they are standing up against 'fracking' - a cutesy term meaning the rape and possible murder of our planet.
That's just the latest of so many examples of british people being far from 'indifferent'
British people have been killed, injured, and traumatised in mass protests against matrix abuse - the poll tax, Wapping, the miner's strike, anti-iraq invasion protest etc. The unprecedented response to the murder of Princess Diana further shows an opposite manifestation to 'indifference.' Many other expressions of willingness to stand up against the STS status quo (I include the rock band in this ;) ) take place all the time.
Some of it is misguided in its application perhaps, but indifferent the british people are not.
But what is this thing called 'british people?' It's a nonsense. It doesn't really mean people who have british citizenship in this context. Nations are used as one of the many tools of division that serve STS so well. Stereotypes are created that can be used to nurture a large range of movements of human energy, ranging from light humour to genocide.
Stereotypes are basically lies. And most of us here know the power of lies.
There seems to be a thing about being borne on the Island which seems to give British people an aloof attitude towards all other people not borne on the Island. Possibly this is more what is going on than indifference.
Hello WIN 52. I agree with what you've said, I think it's not just to others not borne from the island but to each other too. When I used it I did have a think first, then I decided to go with it as it seemed to describe a general feeling or perception that i've been aware of since childhood. I also went with what i've seen & heard from television, radio (topical debate shows, BBC stuff) & newspapers over the past few decades, not to mention plenty of times that i've heard British people described in similar terms. (like a "light" news segment where snapshots of people's views are taken in another country for instance)
Of course I could've chosen the word "aloof" (and some dictionaries will carry the word "indifferent" attached to "aloof") or "distant" or some other related word. It may have been presumptuous to assume that what I had said would be understood & not taken negatively.
Here's but one entry for the word "aloof." http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aloof and here's the entry for indifference:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/indifference?s=t
You can see why I chose not to use the word "apathy" or rather, "apathetic." I was also under the impression that I wouldn't have to use "IMO"/"IMHO" for everything that could be a bone of contention for anyone, but i'll review that. If you type in "British isles terminology" you'll get an idea of what i'm trying to convey about word usage. There are so many words that are confused, incorrectly used, & that's by the Brits! It's even in legislative literature. There are other entries for things related such as the word "English" & the history of it (the country etc) & from the beginning approximately a thousand years ago, the language has been something quite different to what is generally known & understood about it & the way it's been used.
Relating to the history of "English" (since it is made from several key older languages) here are a few Latin breakdowns for what we call "aloof. Just keep in mind, even if you are not aware of the somewhat complicated history, that there were lots of names describing the mainland, the islands around it, & the natives, all adding to the mix of those writing historical chronicles. These included the Greeks & the Romans (I won't go into it as i'm no history buff & it's long, contentious, & someone else could probably do a better job of it)
:"Discedo." (I don't have the right accent key for these btw) -"go off in different directions," "march off" "be divided,"
"cease," "depart from." "Removeo."-
"move back", "remove," "withdraw." (withdraw being the most operative word related to dictionary/thesaurus definitions)
Finally we have "Non Attingo." (non=not) -
"touch", "affect", "mention in passing", "relate to". Omitted were some that i felt weren't necessary in terms of clarity for the definitions of aloof, relating to our current mini-topic.
And these are my opinions with added "facts" (because some of them may be wrong, or described differently elsewhere) but IMO (!) plenty of people could take offense to many words used describing oneself (by another) as British, or as a part of Great Britain etc, whether they are correct or incorrect at the perception of the word(s) being used pejoratively.
Even after saying all of that, i do believe that the attitude that you describe is contagious (some places more than others) for instance, going to & from work people seem to have their "game face" on. Public transport in particular, if you approach someone the response (if you don't get a sour look) is up to a toss of a coin, from what i've seen & still see. Perhaps a London thing? Hearing Brits described as "warm, approachable & friendly" on the news (on occasion) does get my left eyebrow raised. I mean i don't doubt it, i just haven't seen much of it.
They could be talking about northerners who are perceived this way by Brits too. Incidentally, a programme was on the other day about this sort of thing. It was about British accents & the perception that goes with various regions. It was good & I looked on YouTube for it, but there were copyright issues so i didn't post it. If it's shown again (on ITV) or if it's allowed on YouTube in future, it's called "Tonight - accents speaks louder than words."