Underground Streams and Geopathic Stress

[SeekinTruth]

When the SOTT Focus article “Preparation for the Coming Storm” was posted, I was away for a week and wasn’t online to read SOTT or the forum. My brother had read the article and started looking into the issues of having living structures over underground streams mentioned at the end of the following paragraph:

http://www.sott.net/article/268584-Preparation-for-the-coming-storm

It is generally desirable to have some elevation change across the candidate land tract. A well located near the highest elevation gives one the option of distributing the water downhill by gravity-feed (for animal operations). You will also want to consider the areas of higher relative elevation for living or storage structures. If a well can be located above the house, then it can gravity-feed for domestic use, should the need arise. It is a good idea to use a local dowser to roughly map underground streams for well placement, and to ensure that you do not put a living structure over an underground stream [Note: this has been associated with chronic health problems in the occupants.]

When I got back from my trip, my brother told me about some of the information he’d found searching about it because we bought a house last year, and had a well put in a few months ago. The underground stream runs right under the house. There’s been some mention of these issues on the forum, and my brother had read some threads, and then I did as well, besides the material he’d found around the web. I read the Sott Focus article around a week after I got back from my trip, and then took a look at some of the info gathered by my brother. There are websites claiming to neutralize EMF from man-made sources as well as natural sources such as underground streams, faults, etc. (i.e. geopathic stress).

I thought I’d post the ones that look like they might be for real to see what others think. The first site seems to have more research papers done on their products and claims. So, maybe LQB and others with more technical background can take a look and see what they think.

The first site is Dimensional Design’s SafeSpace products at _www.safespaceprotection.com. They have 6 research papers (that you can also download as a PDF) on their research page _http://www.safespaceprotection.com/safe-space-research.aspx. These also have references cited that can, I guess, be checked out for those who have access to the sources.

The other site seems a little more “iffy” to me, but that might just be because they have less resources. The website is _http://emfblues.com.

Some more details about our property/house:

The underground stream runs under about a quarter of the house, including two bedrooms, mine on the second floor, and my brother’s on the third floor, and both of our offices (we spend lots of time in these rooms). Some of the information about geopathic stress included signs and symptoms of unusual cracks, ants being attracted to the stress zones, both of which are present on the property. Ants were congregating along the underground stream all summer, and an outside stairway wall near the stream has a crack across the mortar which the dowser who found the stream noticed. Also, the rooms which are over the underground stream have very strange gaps in the hardwood floors/parquets which we couldn’t figure out how the seams separated. The most prominent ones have a gap of about half a centimeter. There are no other cracks on the stone walls around the floors or any signs of water damage or anything that could indicate what caused those gaps. I guess that’s all I can think of for now.

 

[denekin]

Try doing a search for "solutions for Geopathic stress".
This might be of interest: http://products.mercola.com/earthing-mat/
If you can find someone who does competent kineseology (I like Dr. Klinghardt's ART), you may find a solution in merely changing the location of your beds and desks, depending on how wide the line of geopathic stress is.

 

[Voyageur]

Seeking Truth, there was this from the C's here on T.C. Lethbridge and Dowsing, also, Lethbridge discusses underground streams in his books on Pendulum use.

Q: (L) Is T.C. Lethbridge's theory about dowsing correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Is it possible to dowse things in other dimensions by lengthening the string?

A: Yes.

 

[SeekinTruth]

An interesting documentary I saw recently on geopathic stress:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wprr9TYUwo

It's about a skilled Irish dowser that goes around checking people's home and an independent scientist that tests some of the same places with equipment. There's also some discussion about man made EMF sources. It's a pretty good summary of the issues involved and some of the mechanisms at work.

 

[LQB]

ST, I'm no expert in the field, but many of the cases (of chronic disease and ultimate mitigation with the help of dowsers) I read about were quite impressive. In some cases the underground stream was small (in diameter) and mitigation consisted of simply moving the bed within the same room. The other thing I took away from this is that height above the stream (whether ground or air) was not a mitigating factor. Maybe the dowser can help quantify the horizontal diameter of the stream.

 

[SeekinTruth]

ST, I'm no expert in the field, but many of the cases (of chronic disease and ultimate mitigation with the help of dowsers) I read about were quite impressive. In some cases the underground stream was small (in diameter) and mitigation consisted of simply moving the bed within the same room. The other thing I took away from this is that height above the stream (whether ground or air) was not a mitigating factor. Maybe the dowser can help quantify the horizontal diameter of the stream.

When the dowser was here for the well, he said that the stream was about 5 meters wide and they hit water after drilling 12 meters. They continued to drill to 18 meters to put the well in. The stream runs pretty much under the entire two bedrooms and offices, leaving about 1 meter and that's around where we both sleep. But where we sit at our desks in the offices is around one third into the stream. And we've also read some claims that the edge of a stream can be more dangerous than being directly above it, but don't know how accurate that is.

 

[LQB]

ST, I'm no expert in the field, but many of the cases (of chronic disease and ultimate mitigation with the help of dowsers) I read about were quite impressive. In some cases the underground stream was small (in diameter) and mitigation consisted of simply moving the bed within the same room. The other thing I took away from this is that height above the stream (whether ground or air) was not a mitigating factor. Maybe the dowser can help quantify the horizontal diameter of the stream.

When the dowser was here for the well, he said that the stream was about 5 meters wide and they hit water after drilling 12 meters. They continued to drill to 18 meters to put the well in. The stream runs pretty much under the entire two bedrooms and offices, leaving about 1 meter and that's around where we both sleep. But where we sit at our desks in the offices is around one third into the stream. And we've also read some claims that the edge of a stream can be more dangerous than being directly above it, but don't know how accurate that is.

Wow - that's a big one! I guess that leaves 2 possible options:

1) rearrange the use of the rooms in the house, or
2) add rooms to the house in the direction of no stress lines

BTW, that is a pretty good documentary you posted above.

 

[angelburst29]

When the dowser was here for the well, he said that the stream was about 5 meters wide and they hit water after drilling 12 meters. They continued to drill to 18 meters to put the well in. The stream runs pretty much under the entire two bedrooms and offices, leaving about 1 meter and that's around where we both sleep. But where we sit at our desks in the offices is around one third into the stream. And we've also read some claims that the edge of a stream can be more dangerous than being directly above it, but don't know how accurate that is.

SeekinTruth, the dowser should be able to tell you if the stream has a negative polarity running under the house and if there are "any other intersecting lines of polarity" inside the home dwelling, that would need to be neutralized. Intersecting lines might include, the location of the outside electrical box and inside main panel, drawing peak current into the outlets located in the rooms above the underground stream or the location of the main water pipe coming into the house and plumbing underneath the floors?

Depending on the circumstances, the dowser would recommend solutions, if anything needs to be addressed. In some cases, hammering copper spikes in several areas on the property changes polarity.

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[SeekinTruth]

Thanks for your replies, LQB and angelburst29.

First I should clarify that the dowser was the father of the family (sons) that drilled the well. Basically his whole reason for dowsing is to find water, so I'd have to ask if he can tell us anything else by dowsing.

ST, I'm no expert in the field, but many of the cases (of chronic disease and ultimate mitigation with the help of dowsers) I read about were quite impressive. In some cases the underground stream was small (in diameter) and mitigation consisted of simply moving the bed within the same room. The other thing I took away from this is that height above the stream (whether ground or air) was not a mitigating factor. Maybe the dowser can help quantify the horizontal diameter of the stream.

When the dowser was here for the well, he said that the stream was about 5 meters wide and they hit water after drilling 12 meters. They continued to drill to 18 meters to put the well in. The stream runs pretty much under the entire two bedrooms and offices, leaving about 1 meter and that's around where we both sleep. But where we sit at our desks in the offices is around one third into the stream. And we've also read some claims that the edge of a stream can be more dangerous than being directly above it, but don't know how accurate that is.

Wow - that's a big one! I guess that leaves 2 possible options:

1) rearrange the use of the rooms in the house, or
2) add rooms to the house in the direction of no stress lines

BTW, that is a pretty good documentary you posted above.

I'll keep looking for solutions. We can rearrange the use of the rooms without too much trouble, I guess. The things that have me thinking and questioning are:

1. Neither my brother nor I have any kind of symptoms. But that doesn't mean we're not being negatively affected. My mother DOES get "unexplained" symptoms during weather changes and if there's "unstable geomagnetic field" in the forecast. Mostly it's high blood pressure and heart arrythmia which she has almost eliminated through the Paleo/Ketogenic Diet (no grains or dairy and been in ketosis getting close to 3 years). She's almost completely off drugs for these unless she has an intense onset, at which point we muscle test and give her the dose of medication needed. She's had these issues since before we moved here and doesn't seem to have worsened. But being sensitive to geomagnetic instabilities/anomalies, I can't really know how she might be affected - her bedroom is away from the stream, but she does spend more time in the sun room/TV room over the stream than the two of us.
2. The technologies like those sold by SafeSpace and emfblues don't shield or dampen the fields, but claim to change them from harmful to neutral or beneficial by resonance. This would be very difficult to check if anything is really happening, and especially in the absence of symptoms or feeling bad in any way, I think, right? I mean we can't measure electric and magnetic fields (and changes) before and after, as far as I can tell using a geomagnetometer or something like that and actually see the field strength diminish, as far as I'm understanding.
3. None of the items are all that expensive, but again how to know if they'd be doing anything at all if purchased and used?

When the dowser was here for the well, he said that the stream was about 5 meters wide and they hit water after drilling 12 meters. They continued to drill to 18 meters to put the well in. The stream runs pretty much under the entire two bedrooms and offices, leaving about 1 meter and that's around where we both sleep. But where we sit at our desks in the offices is around one third into the stream. And we've also read some claims that the edge of a stream can be more dangerous than being directly above it, but don't know how accurate that is.

SeekinTruth, the dowser should be able to tell you if the stream has a negative polarity running under the house and if there are "any other intersecting lines of polarity" inside the home dwelling, that would need to be neutralized. Intersecting lines might include, the location of the outside electrical box and inside main panel, drawing peak current into the outlets located in the rooms above the underground stream or the location of the main water pipe coming into the house and plumbing underneath the floors?

Depending on the circumstances, the dowser would recommend solutions, if anything needs to be addressed. In some cases, hammering copper spikes in several areas on the property changes polarity.

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Well, as I said, I need to find out if that particular dowser can tell us more than just that you have water on the property and where it is. Otherwise, I'd have to search for another one. In the documentary I posted, Brandon seems to be incredibly sensitive and skilled in giving additional relevant information. And yeah, copper spikes or metal tubes/rods are other ways people claim you can deal with these things. Another really interesting thing in the documentary was that architect that had built 3 structures during the late 1700's and 1800's that had no EMF at the buildings but did in front and back on the property. But they never tried to see if any technique was used and what to protect the living structure.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Since I've read in SH about T. C. Lethbridge, I have found it's really amazing, sure the same is true for the majority of readers. From what I see now in this thread, I think this stream factor -among others-, could be what makes dangerous to sleep in strange places, as was said in some session.
I hope you find a good solution soon, SeekinTruth.

 

[LQB]

Well, as I said, I need to find out if that particular dowser can tell us more than just that you have water on the property and where it is. Otherwise, I'd have to search for another one. In the documentary I posted, Brandon seems to be incredibly sensitive and skilled in giving additional relevant information. And yeah, copper spikes or metal tubes/rods are other ways people claim you can deal with these things. Another really interesting thing in the documentary was that architect that had built 3 structures during the late 1700's and 1800's that had no EMF at the buildings but did in front and back on the property. But they never tried to see if any technique was used and what to protect the living structure.

If I remember right, in the video they said the mag field line dropped off at the foundation but picked back up on the other side of the wall. If they said or meant the other side of the house - then I missed that. But if the line merely dropped off at the wall, then the house interior would not be protected. One way to do this is to put a lot of iron in/under the foundation - the DC mag field lines will concentrate in the iron (like they do in iron core transformers). If you extend the iron underneath the floor slab, then you would protect the entire house from electric field anomalies as well as the DC mag field. The iron will do little to block AC mag fields unless it is deeply magnetized.

This suggests that floor mats or coverings that are impregnated with a significant amount of iron might work well for protection of large areas. Other devices that claim to transform "negative" energy to "positive" energy sound like BS to me.

From the accounts I've read, the folks suffering chronic effects due to these lines never had any indication until chronic symptoms sent them to a doctor. It may be that proper diet, EE, and cognitive work can play a mitigating role, but it would remain a stressor that all could certainly do without (considering the many other environmental stressors that we cannot escape).

 

[Ca.]

Thanks Seeking Truth, (as well as other respondents). Very informative information.

I did a quick, search and came with an article that collaborates all the information already shared, with couple of interesting sides notes not mentioned, affecting, females especially.

The Mystery of Water
http://www.royriggs.co.uk/www.royriggs.co.uk/Undreground_Streams_files/shapeimage_1.png
biowatertech.co.uk/the-mystery-of-water/ (this link with videos though about water my be off topic)


Underground Streams:

Water will flow through any underground passage, fracture of fissure. As it does so it produces its own electromagnetic field often high into microwave frequency. This field will fluctuate depending on what is dissolved in it, how fast it is flowing or whether it is interacting with any other type of earth energy. Interference with the earths natural energy field is particularly marked by the flow of these underground streams especially where two watercourses or other types of energy line cross. In a league table of radiation associated with biological damage, the outside line of a subterranean water course would be at the very top since it is found in association with many terminal and debilitating diseases. This type of energy line is easily detected by a skilled dowser. It can also be detected by a German analytical instrument developed by Dr. Earnst Hartmann and Dr. Dieter Ashcroft in Essen. This equipment known as the Genitron Felix - 3 detects ultra short and radio microwave frequencies with the ability to print them out on a [UKW- Spektrometer und Linienschreiber] This equipment is used in German universities and research institutes that confirms dowsable energy above subterranean water lines.

Some reported effects of sleeping on the outside edge of a flowing underground water course:

(This type of energy is known to affect more women than men)
• Energy depleted state & hypersensitivity to light
• Insomnia Muscle and joint pains
• Depression Headaches
• Short term memory Loss of Balance
•Panic attacks.

Long term exposure in combination with other types of energy such as Hartman lines, high electromagnetic fields or geological faults can give rise to optimistic abnormal cell growth and cancer. It has been known for a long time that when there is flowing water under a dwelling the inhabitants always feel more tired, are prone to premature aging and have a loss of vitality than those who sleep above neutral ground. While water running beneath a domestic dwelling should be avoided, a stream situated nearby and open to the sky will favourably discharge its negative energies harmlessly into the atmosphere.

First Frame
The dark square with flashing white lines is a photographic print of microwaves radiating in the space above an underground watercourse taken in total darkness. 'Points of Cosmic Energy' Blanche Merz 1995.

Second Frame
The wavy red lines on the graph are the frequency values of the energy emanating from an underground stream. (Recorded using Genitron Felex-F3 frequency analyzer)

Third Frame
Hypothesis for certain geo-electric effects from underground water flow.
Diagram depicts the flow of underground water and consequential chemical reactions within certain geological features that could be the origin of geopathic stress issues.
Prof, Dr. Gerhard W. Hacker is one of the leading research scientists on the issue of geopathic stress. More science based information can be gained by visiting his website www.med-grenzfragen.at

In varying speeds and amounts, water flows through the anisotropic, pervious ground (rubble, gravel, soil; sometimes also inside larger cavities) thereby taking up decomposition products (e.g. from lime (CaCO3) and from pyrite (FeS2) and, under certain circumstances also metallic particles which, when transported by water, will induce electromagnetic fields. Thus, moved metal particles and/or ions (Fe++, Mg++, Ca++, NO3) can lead to geo-electricity. Assumably low energy "broadband" dynamic field changes are created. Power densities, frequency composition and direction of those fields depend on flow rate, type, composition and amount/concentration of the transported metals and/or ions per volume unit. An additional source of "power" from the ground is present wherever de-crystallization process takes place: During such reactions energy is set free.
The dipolar nature of water molecules can also be part of the origin of electromagnetic fields originating from ground contained water. As an extremely dialectic medium, water favours the formation of potential vortices, which immediately after their formation contract swiftly. Taking its electric charge distribution in to account, turning a water molecule will result in a changed field composition. If thus in a pipe a hydronamic flow vortex is produced, an electric and magnetic vortex and eddy current, are the result.

 

[Ca.]

Two videos on the topic of Geopathic Stress

Geopathic Stress Documentary
Mise en ligne le 14 févr. 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wprr9TYUwo

Over the past century we have developed technologies, such as mobile phones, that pose a direct threat to our future health, but there is an equally harmful radiation that comes from the earth and could be responsible for many of the health problems facing the modern world. It is called 'Geopathic Stress'. This documentary looks at the effect of geopathic stress and electromagnetic radiation on our health. For the first time ever, a link is established between them. This ground-breaking documentary is a wake-up call for the modern medical and scientific establishments and also for anyone who has an interest in their own health.

Clearing your House from Geopathic Stress and how it affects YOU
Mise en ligne le 9 sept. 2010
Nicky Crocker talking about Geopathic Stess www.clearenergyhomes.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiUAk6BFgeg

 

[SeekinTruth]

Other devices that claim to transform "negative" energy to "positive" energy sound like BS to me.

LQB, just wanted a clarification. Are you referring specifically to the Dimensional Design's SafeSpace products and website and emfblues(dot)com Crystal Catalyst products I linked in the original post?

 

[LQB]

Other devices that claim to transform "negative" energy to "positive" energy sound like BS to me.

LQB, just wanted a clarification. Are you referring specifically to the Dimensional Design's SafeSpace products and website and emfblues(dot)com Crystal Catalyst products I linked in the original post?

I was speaking generally, but I'll take a look at these sites specifically.