"US gunning for China: Do you know a pattern for World War when you see it?"

[Novelis]

Hello,

It's very interesting to see how Taiwan is completely omitted from the picture (literally and figuatively), like an easily ignarable blotch in an otherwise convincing narrative.

Just look at the picture provided in this article titled: "US Geopolitical-Military Encirclement of China," where Taiwan is clearly seen (Well, you have to squint) not coloured blue like China is, indicating that Taiwan is not a part of the China bloc (Which would outrage a whole lot of Chinese people, btw _http://thinking-taiwan.com/chinese-students-go-ballistic-at-model-un-event/), yet the details of its involvment is not mentioned at all.

For me, the silence is deafening.

Thanks,
Robin

 

[Ennio]

If you have a SOTT.net account you can add this comment to the article so that folks can read it there too. There are a good many folks who only read SOTT and are not members here.

As for the omission of Taiwan you mention, in general, there always seem to be some things that analytical articles of this type leave out of the equation for various reasons. They could be really important too I think, but what is especially important is that a 'line of force' or main point is effectively communicated with enough data and reason to back it up. That's a question we can ask ourselves when we're reading something on SOTT, or anywhere else. Is the line of force strong enough to show us something? Of course, if there is an elephant in the room that doesn't get mentioned, then that's something that can make the article have little to no value, or even downright disinformation. So, is the omission of Taiwan from the article an elephant in the room, or is it just a flaw in the analysis that would have made it better for mentioning?

 

[Novelis]

Link to article:

http://www.sott.net/article/302784-US-gunning-for-China-Do-you-know-a-pattern-for-World-War-when-you-see-it

Mod: no need to de-link SOTT links

 

[seek10]

Regarding Chinese view of Taiwan's status:

In the "When china rules the world" book, the author Martin Jacques an European writer who worked in china for more than decade as a professor wrote this Chinese mind set what he called "middle kingdom mentality"- they look china as center of the world. They think Taiwan was "non-negotiable". _http://www.martinjacques.com/articles/the-middle-kingdom-mentality/

This is one what looks like negative of many positive attributes of China's package. Heck lot better than Western package the rest of world got suffocated during last 200+ years.

He started the book with 4000+ years of history, well documented, have great innovations to their credit including writing, silk, trading routes etc, as much as 75% impressive education rates 2500 years back, trusted their emperors as messengers of God and trusted the rulers as the bigger head of the family, firmly believed that heavens mandate will be withdrawn when emperor doesn't take care of people and acted in that manner. Still they didn't give much importance to religion as Indians did. They are proud that mongols and other outsiders who ruled them also adopted Chinese way of life. This long history of makes them very proud of their culture and some times non-negotiable. Funny part of this, native Chinese consider their migrated counterparts as inferior.

He argued how western democracy is so meaningless to Chinese mindset with data. They expanded and contracted as some called "Divided nation must unite, united nation must divide" ( China: A History by John Keay). Their system of handling conquered nations is through tributary system but with lot more independence to the subject nation, which is completely contrast to the western strategy of "Fine words and complete slavery" ( as G put it). He wrote about other countries which were once under Chinese rule and steadily migrating to its economic and political influence. During the transition phase of empires ( from Uni-polar West to multi-polar Chinese dominated world), these behaviors will make splashes. In the end, insatiable agent Smith (Western greed) has to be stopped before nothing is left to live on this planet. I am happy and excited to read recent Putin's actions in that direction.

 

[gdpetti]

Well, when the Western economy collapses, the whirlwind will pull in all associated parties and China is definitely one of them... like it or not... ready or not. Xi position right now seems like a mix of early Putin and Gorbachev with a dash of the necessary Machiavellian tactics thrown in along side the usual classics like Sun Tzu's "Art of War".... but time seems to be running out of his Stalinesque attempt to rid the country of Western influenced 5th column types while maintaining the Party's core interests....

Some would say, ''Something's Gotta Give''.... but he can only handle the situation at hand as it develops, given his knowledge base and room for manuever, which is part of the usual routine for those seeking to establish themselves at the top of the pyramid.... another song put it as 'riding the tiger'. Does he seriously think the "West" doesn't see the pattern of his gameplan? How strategically oriented is his mind? Say compared to Putin, who had to learn our ways as well.... different points on the circle it seems.

 

[Novelis]

[quote author=Seek10]In the "When china rules the world" book, the author Martin Jacques an European writer who worked in china for more than decade as a professor wrote this Chinese mind set what he called "middle kingdom mentality"- they look china as center of the world. They think Taiwan was "non-negotiable". _http://www.martinjacques.com/articles/the-middle-kingdom-mentality/[/quote]

I started reading his book a few weeks ago, haven’t finished it yet, only on Page 56, so I guess I should get that done! Thanks.

[quote author=Seek10]This is one what looks like negative of many positive attributes of China's package. Heck lot better than Western package the rest of world got suffocated during last 200+ years.[/quote]

It is tempting to scoff and say: “Not for the 23 million Taiwanese who have to suffer directly under it!” But while there might be some truth to this, I cannot help but consider how the worst atrocities committed against the Taiwanese people in recent memory were done at the hands of the Nationalist KMT government, with at best a belligerently tacit approval from the US government, and at worse were done under direct US guidance.

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avrKdYbRboU

However, before I allow myself to “get into bed” with the Chinese package, along with its political elites “riding on its coattails,” I’d seriously keep in mind the “dirty laundry” of the latter (That’s 3 fabric-based metaphors, beat that!).

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,39461.0.html

This is especially the case since, by comparison, the KMT at least apologised to the Taiwanese people in 1995 for their past (though not much good results as long as they continue the same pattern of fascistic thinking), but we are yet to see even the slightest intention for the CCP (Chinese Communist Party) to acknowledge their own crimes.

The main point I am trying to express is that, whether one looks at the Taiwanese KMT, the CCP or the US, one can only see the same essential forces that drive them: Psychopathology.

At the end of WW2, the US immerged as the “chief psychopath” that ruled over the entire world, and it is certainly the ugliest empire that ever was, but Ponerology is Ponerology, whether it be in a common work office environment, or on the scale of countries, or indeed on the scale of the entire world. It’s all too easy for other playground bullies to point their finger at the biggest baddie when all the while they themselves have done the same on a smaller scale.

The essential dynamics remain the same, and I simply do not see any evidence of China breaking that cycle, nor do I see any evidence of these ideas seeping into Chinese consciousness (at least from my admittedly limited viewpoint).

[quote author=Seek10]He started the book with 4000+ years of history, well documented, have great innovations to their credit including writing, silk, trading routes etc, as much as 75% impressive education rates 2500 years back, trusted their emperors as messengers of God and trusted the rulers as the bigger head of the family, firmly believed that heavens mandate will be withdrawn when emperor doesn't take care of people and acted in that manner. [/quote]

Nobody denies Chinese cultural achievements, least of all I. But if these are the “positive” parts of the “Chinese package”, then I am not convinced, since, historically speaking, there are horrors associated with every single one of those points above, for example:

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_books_and_burying_of_scholars

The point is, again, that whatever the cultural/philosophical achievements, none were ever impervious to psychopathic takeover, usurpation and caricaturization for the purposes of acting as a mask of sanity.

I also think it’s ironic that there has never been a political entity that has done as much damage to the above as the CCP itself! I would find it quite amusing if it wasn’t such a hypocritical travesty, when I hear the CCP talking about “preserving Chinese culture” and such like, when considering what they did since getting into power.

Consider the recent parades in China marking the “Commemoration of 70th anniversary of Victory of Chinese People’s Resistance Against Japanese Aggression and World Anti-Fascist War”, then juxtapose this statement to the historical nature of the CCP:

Fascism: (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

_http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism

A) A governmental system led by a dictator having complete power… Check!
B) forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism… Check!
C) regimenting all industry, commerce… Check!
D) emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism… Check!

Seems the Chinese forgot to clean out their own cupboards…

[quote author=Seek10]He argued how western democracy is so meaningless to Chinese mindset with data.[/quote]

Same could be said of “Communism” and indeed most ideas imported to China from the outside (See 'The Discourse of Race in Modern China' _http://www.frankdikotter.com/publications/ for some interesting insights, just click on the link in Publications), besides, I don’t know how true this statement is when considering the fact that the Taiwanese seem to get it.

[quote author=Seek10]They expanded and contracted as some called "Divided nation must unite, united nation must divide" ( China: A History by John Keay). Their system of handling conquered nations is through tributary system but with lot more independence to the subject nation, which is completely contrast to the western strategy of "Fine words and complete slavery" ( as G put it).[/quote]

Again, slavery is slavery in the hands of psychopathic leadership, and inevitably leads to where it always leads: Tragedy and Misery, the feeding of the control system.

Consider some negative aspects to the tributary system:

[quote author=Wikipedia]The traditional Chinese international structure was different from many other systems developed in other parts of the world. First, it was premised on the belief that China was the cultural center of the world and that foreigners were "less civilized" or "barbarians." Second, since the Chinese state was considered the center of all humankind, most other foreign rulers were expected to recognize the prominence of the Chinese court. In the Qing period, countries wanting to trade with China had to send “tribute” missions that acknowledged China's cultural superiority and nominal suzerainty via the ritual of ke-tou, or kow-tow, which consisted of three kneelings, each involving three prostrations before the emperor. In return they could trade for a specified number of days at border points designated by Beijing.[/quote]

_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Chinese_tributary_system

Not to mention the fact that this is historical, what’s to say that the current regime will use this system?

[quote author=Seek10]He wrote about other countries which were once under Chinese rule and steadily migrating to its economic and political influence. During the transition phase of empires ( from Uni-polar West to multi-polar Chinese dominated world), these behaviors will make splashes.[/quote]

I agree, which is why in our current situation, where so much light is being cast on the dying empire (lots of scapegoating too, I might add), all the while the up-and-coming empire’s deeds (past and present) remain in the dark, I remain skeptical and somewhat troubled by the silence.

[quote author=Seek10]In the end, insatiable agent Smith (Western greed) has to be stopped before nothing is left to live on this planet.[/quote]

Couldn’t agree more, but I am keeping the wider metaphorical interpretation of Agent Smith firmly in mind as the transition occurs. I Remember that anybody who isn’t aware of the STS control system can be used, and after becoming more aware of the shadows lying in the CCP’s past, I am heeded by a warning that China’s rise might just be another brick in the wall.

[quote author=Seek10]I am happy and excited to read recent Putin's actions in that direction.[/quote]

I couldn’t have put it better myself, May Russia and China’s allegiance long bear fruit for people of conscience.

Thanks,
Robin

 

[angelburst29]

Questionable serious provocation by Obama, while Australia wants to join, in testing Beijing’s territorial claims.

‘Mentally Unstable’ Obama Looking To Start A War With China?
http://investmentwatchblog.com/mentally-unstable-obama-looking-to-start-a-war-with-china/

This week, Barack Obama sent a guided missile destroyer into disputed waters in the South China Sea to see if the Chinese would start shooting at it. Yes, this is what he actually did. Fortunately for us, the Chinese backed down and did not follow through on their threats to take military action. Instead, the Chinese have chosen to respond with very angry words. The Chinese ambassador to the United States, Cui Tiankai, says that what Obama did was “a very serious provocation, politically and militarily.” And as you will see below, a state-run newspaper stated that China “is not frightened to fight a war with the US in the region”. So why in the world would Obama provoke the Chinese like this? Yes, the Chinese claims in the South China Sea are questionable. But there are other ways to resolve things like this. My friend Rick Wiles began his radio broadcast yesterday by suggesting that these kinds of actions show that Barack Obama has become “mentally unstable”, and I would have to agree. You don’t risk military confrontations that could potentially spark World War III unless you have a really good reason to do so.

The Global Times is a Chinese state-run newspaper that has very close ties to the Communist party. After Obama’s provocation in the South China Sea, it published an editorial entitled “After the show, it’s time for US destroyer to leave“. The following is the most alarming portion of that editorial…

In face of the US harassment, Beijing should deal with Washington tactfully and prepare for the worst. This can convince the White House that China, despite its unwillingness,is not frightened to fight a war with the US in the region, and is determined to safeguard its national interests and dignity.

Beijing ought to carry out anti-harassment operations. We should first track the US warships. If they, instead of passing by, stop for further actions, it is necessary for us to launch electronic interventions, and even send out warships, lock them by fire-control radar and fly over the US vessels.

Another major Chinese newspaper also responded very angrily…

The People’s Liberation Army Daily, China’s leading military newspaper, used a front-page editorial to accuse the US of sowing chaos in countries such as Afghanistan and Iraq.

“Cast-iron facts show that time and again the United States recklessly uses force and starts wars, stirring things up where once there was stability, causing the bitterest of harm to those countries directly involved,” the newspaper said, according to Reuters.

But the Obama administration is not backing down.

In fact, CNN is reporting that the decision has already been made to send even more patrols cruising by the disputed islands.

What do you think that will do to our delicate relationship with China?

Most Americans assume that an actual shooting war between the United States and China is not even within the realm of possibility, but many of our leaders see things very differently. For instance, just check out what CIA Deputy Director Michael Morell thinks…

The current posturing in the area has led to heightened tensions between the world’s preeminent military powers, and in May Former CIA Deputy Director Michael Morell told CNN that the confrontation indicates there is “absolutely” a risk of the U.S. and China going to war sometime in the future.

And Barack Obama’s good buddy George Soros has warned that the threat of a third world war involving the United States and China is very real…

Earlier this year, billionaire investor George Soros also cautioned that the ruling Communist Party may see fit to rally its population around an external threat in order to head off a societal collapse in the aftermath of an economic implosion.

“There is a real danger that China will align itself with Russia politically and militarily, and then the threat of third world war becomes real,” said Soros.

Needless to say, if our relationship with China breaks down that is going to be really, really bad for the global economy. China accounts for more global trade than anyone else in the world, and the U.S. is number two.

And already we are witnessing a slowdown in global trade which is more than just a little bit alarming. So far in 2015 total global trade is down 8.4 percent, U.S. exports are down 11 percent, and Chinese imports during the month of September were down a whopping 20.4 percent from a year earlier.

So what do you think that an actual shooting war between the two great economic superpowers would do?

Meanwhile, the Obama administration continues to move toward sparking World War III in the Middle East as well. On Tuesday, we learned that Obama has authorized “direct action on the ground” in Iraq and in Syria. That means that our boys and girls could potentially end up in combat in areas inside Syria where the Russians are currently conducting operations. The following comes from NBC News…

Defense Secretary Ashton Carter said Tuesday that the U.S. will begin “direct action on the ground” against ISIS forces in Iraq and Syria, aiming to intensify pressure on the militants as progress against them remains elusive.

“We won’t hold back from supporting capable partners in opportunistic attacks against ISIL, or conducting such missions directly whether by strikes from the air or direct action on the ground,” Carter said in testimony before the Senate Armed Services committee, using an alternative name for the militant group.

When pressed, Carter admitted that U.S. soldiers “will be in harm’s way, no question about it“.

Wasn’t Obama supposed to be the president that brought all of our troops home and ended all of the wars?

Instead, his arrogance just seems to grow by the day and he is threatening to plunge the entire planet into World War III.


In Latest Escalation, Australia May Join US, Send Warships To China Islands
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-28/latest-escalation-australia-may-join-us-send-warships-china-islands

Earlier this week, the USS Lassen managed to sail by China’s man-made islands in the Spratlys without getting shot at or surrounded.

The fact that China did not move to challenge the US-flagged guided-missile destroyer was a relief for those who aren’t keen on living through World War III and as hyperbolic as that might sound, it was just this month that Beijing threatened to “stand up and use force” in the event Washington went through with the “freedom of navigation” exercise.

Of course as we outlined previously, the PLA will get plenty of other opportunities, as most security “experts” believe that in order to be “effective” (whatever that means in this context), the US will need to keep up the patrols suggesting the world could be in for a prolonged period of heightened tensions that threaten to spiral out of control on any given “pass-by.”

For anyone unfamiliar, all of this comes courtesy of Beijing’s land reclamation efforts in the South China Sea which have by now led to the creation of more than 3,000 acres of new sovereign territory on which China has constructed runways, cement factories, and all manner of other facilities. This has led Washington’s regional allies to cry foul and now, Big Brother is essentially just sailing around the islands to see if China will shoot.

As silly as that sounds, it’s become one of the more important geopolitical stories of the year and now, as WSJ reports, it looks like Australia might get involved as well. Here’s more:

Australian defense planners are looking at the possibility of a naval sail-through close to China’s artificial islands in the South China Sea, in case the government decides to follow its close ally the U.S. in testing Beijing’s territorial claims.

“Australia has been looking at options,” said one official in Australia’s military familiar with operational planning.

Another defense official, who has been involved in a military blueprint about the South China Sea for Australia’s
Defense Minister Marise Payne, confirmed that plans for possible naval operations or flights by maritime patrol aircraft had been prepared, though said there is no immediate intent to put them into play. “At this stage, it’s only been looking at what we could do,” the second official said. The military had been looking at options including a sail-through for months, the person said, as tensions in the South China Sea intensified.

Australia has two naval frigates in the South China Sea region—the HMAS Arunta and HMAS Stuart—which have been scheduled to carry out exercises alongside Chinese warships over the next week, as a naval confidence-building exercise.
More from The Journal:

Peter Jennings, the executive director of the government-backed security think tank the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, said he expected most U.S. regional allies would follow with their own exercises to assert freedom of navigation, although few would telegraph movements in advance for operational security reasons.

“I think it is now critical we follow this up so that we don’t just leave it to the United States on what is an issue worrying countries from the Philippines to Vietnam,” said Mr. Jennings, a former Australian intelligence analyst.

So there are two main takeaways here. First, as WSJ also points out, China is Australia's largest trade partner and as we've seen recently with Russia and Turkey, geopolitical tensions and the egos and irrationality that often accompany them have a way of derailing trade at significant costs to all involved.

Second, this, like Syria, is now another dispute into which multiple world powers are being drawn and with each new participant, the chances of some manner of "mistake" increase exponentially.

We close with some characteristically bombastic rhetoric out of Beijing:

"Australia and the U.S. should not light a fire and add fuel to the flames."

 

[angelburst29]

French Frigate to sail to China on a 4 day friendly visit while Australian ships visit for scheduled Drills.

Amid Washington-Beijing Row, French Frigate Sails to South China Sea
http://sputniknews.com/asia/20151028/1029251601/south-china-sea-france.html

A French warship docked in a Chinese port Tuesday to start an extended visit to China's naval fleet in the South China Sea, where disputed territorial claims have ignited a row between Beijing and Washington.

The Vendémiaire docked at Zhanjiang in the southern province of Guangdong on Tuesday morning for a four-day "friendly visit," the official People's Liberation Army Daily said.

The visit – the Vendémiaire's eighth to China – comes ahead of French President Francois Hollande's visit to China next week.

Beijing slammed Washington for sending a US guided-missile destroyer close to one of China’s man-made islands in the South China Sea earlier this week. Beijing said it had warned the ship and called the US ambassador to protest.


2 Australian ships to join Chinese navy in drills in S China Sea
http://www.ejinsight.com/20151029-2-australian-ships-join-chinese-navy-drills-s-china-sea/

Two Australian warships will hold exercises with the Chinese navy in the South China Sea next week, Australia’s defense minister said Thursday.

The announcement comes two days after a US navy patrol angered Beijing by sailing near an artificial island built by China in disputed waters in the southern part of the sea.

The HMAS Stuart and HMAS Arunta will visit China’s main South China Sea base of Zhanjiang in Guangdong province before drills scheduled early next week, Marise Payne said.

“The Royal Australian Navy has a long history of engagement with regional navies and regularly conducts port visits and exercises — including in China,” Payne said in a statement.

“There have been no changes or delays to the schedule of the HMAS Arunta and HMAS Stuart since the United States activity in the South China Sea on 27 October 2015.”

The statement gave no details about the precise location of the exercises.

Australian media said the exercises would include live-fire drills, Reuters reported.

China rebuked Washington for sending a US guided-missile destroyer close to Subi Reef in the Spratly archipelago Tuesday, saying it had tracked and warned the USS Lassen.

Australia, a key US ally in the region, expressed its strong support for freedom of navigation, while stopping short of welcoming the patrol.