Vertigo - Hope for Chronic and Intermittent Symptoms

Ellipse said:
Just one word to say that, from my own experience, the vertigo root can be due to blocked cervical too. The symptom are the same: vertigo when going to a vertical position from an horizontal one or the opposite. Stabilization after a moment but symptom come back if the head or the body does not stay vertical once up. After some days it's better but can easily come back.

No more than one month ago, the osteopath unblock me some cervical with cracking manoeuvre and vertigo gone off immediately. It was very clear.

So the problem is to determine what is the root cause, the ear or the cervical? It's not easy because finding an ear specialist, waiting for an appointment an so on is the last thing you want to do when the world is spinning around you and you are nauseous. And going to an osteopath is not easy too because you have to know a good one, who do the correct technique and even with that, sometime it's not working because the muscles of the neck are in "protection mode" : stiff.

But I think it's important to keep in the mind this two possibilities.

3D world is tiresome. :(
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Just wanted to warn against a rare but grave risk in this procedure of cracking osteopathic maneuvers on cervical area: nerve palsy! I also saw a case of arterial dissection of the vertebral artery with neurological damage with never recuperated. I saw 3 cases of dramatic injury from cracking maneuver in my life.
 
nature said:
Just wanted to warn against a rare but grave risk in this procedure of cracking osteopathic maneuvers on cervical area: nerve palsy! I also saw a case of arterial dissection of the vertebral artery with neurological damage with never recuperated. I saw 3 cases of dramatic injury from cracking maneuver in my life.
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I hope you work in the medical field!

According to my osteopath the risk depend if the maneuver is done correctly or not. So he say you have to be manipulated by someone who do it on a regular basis. The problem is: the first time you see a new practitioner, how do you know that this is really skilled one? Not easy. So I agree, if you can be cured with soft movements, do it, and this is what I usually used but sometime it seem simply not working.
 
yes, soft movements are preferable, but what about cracking manipulations?
The cases I saw were undergone by diplomed french osteopaths, and I speak only about cases I saw. I don't know what is the rate of iatrogenic complications of cervical spine manipulations.

According to this study, it's 13% _https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5366149/

And you're right: how to know the skills of practitioners we go to? Even in good hands you can have complications. That's why knowledge is important. With knowledge, you have better health, thus less need to go to doctors.
That's why I appreciate getting info on easy methods that the patient can do himself (if fully understood), like this somersault maneuver.

i agree with you that it's not easy to get appointments quickly, and also no garantee to get results even with a good practitionner.
Maybe it will be good to write an article on vertigo, for sott? :halo: A simple one, easy to understand. Knowing how to auto-diagnose and treat vertigo can be a great help to release symptomes in short time, in the meanwhile of one's medical consultation.
 
Re-posting from another thread (it's one of those things that is handy to keep in mind):

PERLOU said:
Depuis une bonne semaine, surtout en me levant le matin mais aussi quand je passe d'une position assise à debout, cela m'arrive aussi quand je suis debout, je ressens des vertiges qui m'obligent à rester assise pendant quelques minutes avant que ma tête se mette en place ou regagner mon lit pour m'allonger...
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That sounds like Benign Paroxysmal Positional Vertigo which is very easily treated with maneuvers:

3DStudent said:
Would you be able to carefully perform the Epley Maneuver?
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I prefer the half-somersault maneuver because it seems to have a better success rate than Epley's, but depending on the physical condition of the person, that might not be feasible.

When doing a maneuver, maintain the position for 30 to 60 seconds.

If doing the maneuver is too complicated, then just go to the doctor, preferably an otorhinolaryngologist. Also, if vertigo persists after doing the maneuver, I would also go to the doctor.

The Epley maneuver (and the half-somersault maneuver) works when the stone is lodged in the posterior semicircular canal of the inner ear. Lempert maneuver is for stones lodged in the horizontal (or lateral) semicircular canal. The deep-head hanging maneuver is for stones lodged in the superior (anterior) semicircular canal.

This is something very hand to keep in mind.

Lempert
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Deep-head hanging:

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Epley:

Half-somersault maneuver:

More info:

 
J'ai essayé les manœuvres de Gaby et 3DStudent qui n'ont pas amélioré les choses au contraire les ont empirées...
J'ai pensé que j'avais dû trop bougé les cristaux de mes oreilles...
Pour les manœuvres de 3DStudent je me suis fait mal au dos et ne pense pas aller voir de médecin car mon dos ne supporte pas les manipulations...
J'ai trouvé cette vidéo en Français très explicite :
Je l'essaierai tout à l'heure...
Si je prends quelques minutes pour me tenir assise avant de me lever, les vertiges s'interrompent, il suffit d'être patiente...
Merci encore de vos suggestions qui m'ont permis de faire des recherches...
Je vous tiendrai au courant... LOVE

I tried Gaby's maneuvers and 3DStudent, which did not improve things, on the contrary, they made them worse...
I thought I must have moved the crystals in my ears too much...
For the 3DStudent maneuvers I hurt my back and I don't think I'll go see a doctor because my back can't stand the manipulations...
I found this video in French very explicit:
I'll try it later...
If I take a few minutes to sit before getting up, the dizziness will stop, just be patient...
Thank you again for your suggestions which allowed me to do some research...
I'll keep you posted... LOVE

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
 
4 days ago, when I got out of bed I fell backwards onto the bed again and felt very dizzy. Suddenly I needed time before getting up. It didn't go away and the next morning, the same thing repeated as I fell again back onto the bed. The third morning, I had learned to take it easy before getting up as I still experienced vertigo. I realised that it didn't just go away by itself and as Ysus's mum had once been corrected for vertigo by a simple manoeuvre by a neurologist, a quick search on Google revealed the Epley method. So I did it and Ysus observed how at the first stage, my eyes rolled around randomly. Yesterday, I repeated the steps 3 times as suggested and felt much better and today, I got out of bed as normal without vertigo.

Yesterday, I discovered this thread, which only confirmed the usefulness of the method. Having started with the Epley method and finding it useful, then I didn't try out the other half summersault method suggested by @Gaby. I am amazed that something so simple can bring such a relief and grateful that some people have persisted in discovering ways to alleviate it.

Initially I thought that it was just the effect of the vertigo that our world is experiencing due to the Covid-19 madness and the lies, obfuscation and gaslighting which can be dizzying to experience, but it appears to have a more down to earth explanation.
 
Yes, the Epley maneuver really works.

I've also found a medication that goes after the cause and also works to fix tinnitus. It's called Nicergolina (brand name Sermion). I've been taking it twice a day for a bit over a month now and it's really effective.
 
christx11 said:
I wasn't sure whether to post this in 'Diet and Health' or a Science thread or perhaps a Ponerology thread. It is a story about a local Portland, Oregon doctor who dared to think for himself, stuck to his convictions in the face of attacks by scientific peers at risk of his life's work and in so doing he has perhaps discovered a simple procedure that has a very high success rate in helping thousands of people who suffer from Vertigo.

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As someone who's suffered through 3 extended vertigo attacks, all I can say is God bless this man and his devoted daughter! His theory and apparatus makes perfect sense to me as I discovered some of his principles myself as I tried to find the right positions for mitigating the awful spinning dizziness of vertigo.
 
My daughter was recently diagnosed with Vestibular neuritis..which has symptoms like severe vertigo.. A dr. At the Functional neurology center in minnetonka minnesota has helped her by giving many exercises and diet.. He also has placed her in what appears to be an amusement park ride and spins her this way and that.

She recently came across a book written by Anthony William. Medical Medium. He claims most of these “mystery illnesses” come from a virus called Epstein -Barr virus.EPV.... and if you follow his plan ,you can be cured.
Anyone have any experience with Anthony William?
 
maxwell1110 said:
FWIW, I wanted to share to that my partner last year suffered from vertigo and found relief from our acupuncturist and a Chinese herbal tincture she prescribed called Gastrodia and Uncaria by Kan Traditionals. Just another option to consider among the other approaches shared.

Here’s a link with more info:

Kan Traditionals Gastrodia & Uncaria Wind Release
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Thank You , I appreciate your input.
 

On Friday, I had a physiotherapist appointment at my local doctors surgery. The physio told me the same things other doctors have said about my chronic back pain: muscles are weak and need to be strengthened.

He gave me a link to a video for a Pilates work out that involves some core strengthening exercises. After doing the first few which included some that were in the cat position where you extend your arms through and under yo ur self to the other side, it was time for the next set which involved being laid on my back.

I noticed some dizziness during these, but it wasn’t severe and didn’t last very long. I completed the video and went about the rest of my day. I did the workout again before bed as the physiotherapist had said try to do it twice a day.

When I went to bed, I read for a bit and then turned off my lamp, laid on my side and closed my eyes. Within a few seconds the room was spinning violently and only stopped when I opened my eyes after a second or two.

Since it had stopped I tried again to go to sleep. This time I laid in my other side and the same thing happened again.

Eventually I got to sleep but woke up feeling very dizzy. A couple of times through the morning, I had violent attacks of vertigo again when I had my head in certain positions. Worse, I was due to help out my friend’s band by filling in for their drummer this afternoon. I couldn’t let the band down, as that would be three wages lost for the other band members, plus the venue we were playing would have lost their entertainment.

I looked up exercises for vertigo online and tried one of the programs but it didn’t help, and I’ve had a pretty miserable day, trying to get through the gig and feeling dizzy and sick.

I got home around 9pm and decided to look again to see if I could find a different program, and the above link is the first one I came across on YouTube. The scientific explanation the doctor gives in the beginning is similar to information contained in the first post in this thread: particles have made their way into the part of the inner ear that affect balance and are triggering false signals. This brief explanation is followed by a brief demonstration of the exercise.

It’s helped massively! I’m still feeling a bit dizzy, but I can’t find a single head position that causes the violent spinning in my head anymore. I recommend anyone with vertigo to try it.
 
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