Violence at Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia

bjorn said:
Apparently Keith Olbermann has Twitter:

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I must say Trump has received better criticism, but hey, if everything fails, resort to insults.

See his twitter page for more intellectual posts: https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576

This sounds like some sort of hard core Tourette's syndrome and/or glue withrowal symptoms :ohboy:

RT called him an "Inconvenient Douche" in the article below. How accurate.

Keith Olbermann doesn't need cocaine to be like Charlie Sheen: https://www.rt.com/usa/olbermann-sheen-current-fired-466/

It’s been a year since Hollywood whacko Charlie Sheen engaged America with a combo of cocaine-fueled mishaps only to, thankfully, fade into obscurity at an equally impressive pace. Have no fear, however, for his antics have already inspired another.
It’s not too often (or arguably often enough) that a big-time breakdown among America’s elite is enticing enough to have half of the western world waiting for the next episode in hopes of catching a firsthand account of popular culture collapsing into itself. Luckily only a year after Sheen’s escapades intrigued America, Keith Olbermann is quickly snowballing in notoriety after his recent split with Current TV, and it is all too surprising that the circumstances surrounding that incident mirror the misanthropic rise-and-fall of Sheen that the country fixated on at the same time last year.

Keith Olbermann came into his most recent position as the host of Current’s Countdown program after a much publicized split with MSNBC last year. Since joining the ranks of the Al Gore-run progressive news network, though, neither Current nor the commentator himself have come close to encapsulating the following that his former show had. Olbermann was let go from his hosting duties late last month after Current cited a laundry list of nasty things about its former star, and since then the pundit has pulled out all of the stops with attacking his most recent employer at every chance. So far the story seems to lack the porn stars, goddesses and briefcases of blow that accompanied Sheen’s split with his former program, Two and a Half Men, but elsewhere the parallels are practically spot-on.

While the aftermaths of both terminations have some similarities, the conditions on which both contracts were cut short are eerily alike as well. When Warner Bros. finally released Sheen from Two and Half Men, they cited erratic behavior and poor performance record and missed appearances as some of their reasoning, all of which was addressed repeatedly. Not that far off, Current claims that Olbermann had little interest in his performance with the network and had missed nearly half of the 41 scheduled work days in the months of January and February alone, also neglecting to cover the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire primary.

In letting go Olbermann, Current explained that the network “was founded on the values of respect, openness, collegiality and loyalty to our viewers,” and stated that since those values were “no longer reflected in our relationship with Keith Olbermann,” severing ties with their star seemed to make sense. In responding to those charges, Olbermann took an approach that would make Charlie Sheen himself cry tears of joy. In the week since he was let go, Olbermann has gone on the record to attack Current TV and its administration at every chance, not very far off from how Sheen took stabs at the producers of Two and Half Men and his former network as their relationship neared an end and well afterward.

Olbermann says that his “public termination” was "the latest in a series of increasingly erratic and unprofessional actions undertaken by Current's senior management” and is now asking for upwards of $70 million in unpaid compensation. Similarly it was only a year earlier that Sheen, having recently split from his show, sued Warner Bros. and Two and a Half Men producer Chuck Lorre for over $100 million.

In the aftermath of the Olbermann/Current split, the lawsuit filed by the former hosts claims that the commentator regrets putting his trust in the company’s management and insists that “Current had neither the desire nor the ability to produce a first rate news commentary show.

“Olbermann did not join Current to ruin his hard-won reputation and appear on a show that was an embarrassment,” adds the suit, which also labels management at the network as “no more than dilettantes portraying entertainment industry executives."

When attacking his old employers, Sheen’s representatives had similar things to say. “Chuck Lorre, one of the richest men in television who is worth hundreds of millions of dollars, believes himself to be so wealthy and powerful that he can unilaterally decide to take money away from the dedicated cast and crew of the popular television series, 'Two and a Half Men,' in order to serve his own ego and self-interest, and make the star of the Series the scapegoat for Lorre's own conduct,” the actor’s attorneys wrote.

Sheen would also smear Lorre as a “maggot” and “earthworm” that could be crushed by his “fire breathing fists.” Olbermann, on the other hand, has simply insisted that the former network’s founders “are no more than dilettantes portraying entertainment industry executives."
 
bjorn said:
Apparently Keith Olbermann has Twitter:

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I must say Trump has received better criticism, but hey, if everything fails, resort to insults.


See his twitter page for more intellectual posts: https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576


Looks like someone is disintegrating. :shock:

I wonder how long he will keep his job after this?


Edit: I just saw your post Ant22. I guess he has been dumped already...
 
Hello H2O said:
bjorn said:
Apparently Keith Olbermann has Twitter:

(...)

I must say Trump has received better criticism, but hey, if everything fails, resort to insults.


See his twitter page for more intellectual posts: https://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann/status/901254698283544576


Looks like someone is disintegrating. :shock:

I wonder how long he will keep his job after this?


Edit: I just saw your post Ant22. I guess he has been dumped already...

Yup, I do wonder where he's off to next: maybe Antifa is looking for a talented and charming spokesperson? :lol:


I can only imagine his CV content: "creative communication skills combined with the ability to influence stakeholders at all levels have been used to build effective and lasting relationships" ;)
 
Ant]Keith Olbermann doesn't need cocaine to be like Charlie Sheen: [url=https://www.rt.com/usa/olbermann-sheen-current-fired-466/]https://www.rt.com/usa/olbermann-sheen-current-fired-466/[/url][/quote] :lol: Most impressive said:
bjorn said:
CNN host has a hard time when the people who I think are meant to agree with her, instead disagree with her about everything concerning the events in Charlottesville. Which made it a great watch and a relief that there are still people out there who get it. Perhaps you like it also, here it is:

CNN Charlottesville Panel goes TERRIBLY wrong (3:49 min)
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That's actually a new CNN thing: they select Trump supporters for a panel then drill them on the issues. Here's the full segment for that show. In their wishful thinking, they probably think they're exposing the idiocy of 'those other people'.

And here I was assuming they haven't screened this people properly before allowing them on the show. CNN really has become their own worst enemy.



[quote author= Ant]Yup, I do wonder where he's off to next: maybe Antifa is looking for a talented and charming spokesperson? Or a PR manager? :lol:[/quote]

:lol: Or as a mascot ;) It's joining Antifa, or go to a psychiatric ward and start a riot there. Both require the same job skills.
 
[quote author= Ant]I can only imagine his CV content: "creative communication skills combined with the ability to influence stakeholders at all levels have been used to build effective and lasting relationships" ;)[/quote]

Actually, that's propably really close to it. His wiki page says: Education: BS (Communications Arts) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Olbermann#cite_note-offbio-20

But I guess his studies didn't involve communicating with humans.



- Whether BLM (Black lives matter) had genuine anger or not is irrelevant nowadays. Or at least, they seem to be totally co opted by thugs (cointelpro perhaps) who want to provoke a race war nobody wants. They function as a vehicle for destabilization, for the oligarchs, like Soros.

Three examples:

Black Lives Matter Activist calling all white people racist.

"All White People are Racist" - Ashleigh Shackelford (0:49 min)

https://youtu.be/ON5SrpHzpVY


Then there was this:

Yusra Khogali co-founder of Black Lives Matter appears to label white people 'defects'
https://www.sott.net/article/342606-Yusra-Khogali-co-founder-of-Black-Lives-Matter-appears-to-label-white-people-defects

Describing white people as defects through ways only a nazi scientists could appeal to.


And they recently had a list of demands:

1. White people, if you don’t have any descendants, will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably one that lives in generational poverty.

2. White people, if you’re inheriting property you intend to sell upon acceptance, give it to a black or brown family. You’re bound to make that money in some other white privileged way.

3. If you are a developer or realty owner of multi-family housing, build a sustainable complex in a black or brown blighted neighborhood and let black and brown people live in it for free.

4. White people, if you can afford to downsize, give up the home you own to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

5. White people, if any of the people you intend to leave your property to are racists assholes, change the will, and will your property to a black or brown family. Preferably a family from generational poverty.

6. White people, re-budget your monthly so you can donate to black funds for land purchasing.

7. White people, especially white women (because this is yaw specialty — Nosey Jenny and Meddling Kathy), get a racist fired. Yaw know what the -flick- they be saying. You are complicit when you ignore them. Get your boss fired cause they racist too.

8. Backing up No. 7, this should be easy but all those sheetless Klan, Nazi’s and Other lil’ dick-white men will all be returning to work. Get they ass fired. Call the police even: they look suspicious.

9. OK, backing up No. 8, if any white person at your work, or as you enter in spaces and you overhear a white person praising the actions from yesterday, first, get a pic. Get their name and more info. Hell, find out where they work — Get Them Fired. But certainly address them, and, if you need to, you got hands: use them.

10. Commit to two things: Fighting white supremacy where and how you can (this doesn’t mean taking up knitting, unless you’re making scarves for black and brown kids in need), and funding black and brown people and their work.

If I were a member of the KKK, I be thanking BLM on my knees. But since I'm not, I suspect that the PTB are miscalculating at how the majority of the minorities are looking at the situation. Since I'm seeing way more black people (youtube, articles) being outraged by BLM then supporters. Let's hope people will see the man behind the curtain. Because the true enemy doesn't differ by skincolor, but by a lack of conscience, which are psychopaths.

Ofcourse Vice is trying to steer up this phony race war with everything they got:

Dear White People, Please Stop Pretending Reverse Racism Is Real
https://www.vice.com/sv/article/kwzjvz/dear-white-people-please-stop-pretending-reverse-racism-is-real

It's literally impossible to be racist to a white person

Earlier in the summer, I wrote a column about Black Lives Matter Toronto in which I said people who've never experienced racism—particularly politicians and media pundits—should be careful when weighing in on the subject, especially if they're just going to be dismissive.

One of my friends reacted to the piece with absolute outrage. This person, a white male journalist, told me that I was trying to "shut down white voices." Towards the end of our exchange, in which he admitted he was worried he was eventually going to lose his job to a person of colour, he called me a "bigoted little witch."

His views sound extreme, especially for someone who works for a mainstream media organization. But he's not alone. It seems the more we talk about racism, the stronger another narrative becomes—one that paints white people as the ones who are truly oppressed.

According to a survey released last year 52 percent of white Americans said they believe discrimination against them is on par with discrimination faced by black people and other minorities. In Canada, a poll taken in 2014 showed that most Canadians don't think they're racist—84 percent claim they have friends of different racial backgrounds—but 32 percent make occasional racist comments, and 27 percent agree with racial stereotypes. Those ideas are at odds with each other, demonstrating a lack of understanding of the basic concept of racism.

Last week, news broke that Democratic Institutions Minister Maryam Monsef was born in Iran, not Afghanistan, as she'd been led to believe her whole life. The Globe and Mail revealed the truth about Monsef's birthplace, prompting Monsef's mom to admit she'd lied to her daughter about where she was actually born. Consequently, some accused Monsef of being deliberately deceitful to the public and even suggested that her citizenship should be revoked and that she should step down from her job. While many journalists were quick to back up the story as legitimate—and aspects of it might be—there seemed to be a resistance to even entertaining the possibility that a white politician who'd been born outside of Canada would not have faced the same level of scrutiny. For suggesting as much, in a story VICE published, I once again found myself being accused of racism against white people.

My default reaction to claims like this is to roll my eyes. But seeing as it's no longer just Twitter trolls who believe in reverse racism—white fragility probably accounts for a large part of Donald Trump's popularity—I decided to reach out to some social justice advocates to ask why they think a certain segment of white people get so defensive when minorities vocalize their oppression. And why groups like BLMTO are being painted as divisive and race baiting when really all they're doing is fighting for equality.

"When you're so deeply invested in your privilege, and in this case white privilege, racial equality feels like oppression," said Anthony Morgan, a Toronto-based civil and human rights lawyer.

Simply put, Morgan said reverse racism doesn't exist and a person who claims otherwise is "outing themselves as someone who has little to no experience or knowledge of what racism is."

Read More: White People Explain Why They Feel Oppressed

Racism is based on a couple of things—historical, systemic oppression and power, Morgan explained. And as far as history goes, white people have never been persecuted for the colour of their skin—so there's no point comparing their experiences to those of black, brown, and Indigenous folks.

"It's slavery, colonialism, theft all kinds of violations on systemic proportions... versus feelings being hurt."

There's a difference, he noted, when white people who are in a position of power espouse a hatred of minorities than when it's done the other way around.

In April, BLMTO co-founder Yusra Khogali was highly criticized when a tweet of hers that said "Plz Allah give me strength not to cuss/kill these men and white folks out here today" was discovered.

But Morgan said even if all people of colour straight up said they hate white people, it wouldn't affect a white person's ability to get a job, an education, or increase the odds that they'd get carded or charged for a crime. "If all white people had that view [of black people], that would have a very dramatic life impact on the material reality of all those people."

The exclusion of white people in spaces created for minorities is another controversy that sometimes comes up in the media.

Last fall, flyers for a white students union popped up on a handful of Canadian university campuses. On its website, the group behind the campaign, Students for Western Civilization, claims schools are bombarded with the message that "only white people can be racist, because white people are the sole beneficiaries of this white supremecist (sic) system." To balance things out, a white students' union "would serve as a platform to promote and advance the political interests of Western peoples."

Meanwhile Ryerson University's Racialised Students' Collective received backlash for kicking two white journalism students out of a meeting because they weren't marginalized or racialized. Ditto when BLMTO refused to sell white Toronto musician Sima Xyn one of its protest T-shirts during this year's Pride Parade.

"Denying me service due to my race when I'm showing my support to the Toronto #blacklivematter movement is ironic and killing my human rights," Xyn tweeted at the time.

Debbie Douglas, executive director of the Ontario Council of Agencies Serving Immigrants, broke down why none of the above can be considered racism but is instead, again, about hurt feelings.

"It's interesting that as soon as you de-centre whiteness, it becomes about people being anti-white," she said, noting that at a panel for queer black people she attended, some white people were asked to move to the back to make space for black people. A few were offended.

"Why is it that in a place created for black people to have a conversation amongst themselves... to talk about what it means to be black and queer, that white folks felt they had to be at the centre?"

Morgan added that creating something like a white students union or having White History Month would be redundant.

"If you look at pretty much every profession in which folks have gainful employment or relative social prestige, it's overwhelmingly white."

As for the rise of the white victim narrative, both said issues like economic downturn—particularly in the US, where working class Americans are finding themselves struggling financially—play a role. Immigration and anti-Muslim sentiments that stem from falsely equating Islam with radicalization is another factor. But it's also just a response to more people calling out racism.

Douglas said the only reason we're talking about race more right now is because of blatant incidents that can't be ignored—the police beating death of Ottawa man Abdirahman Abdi, or the fatal shooting of Colten Boushie, an Indigenous man from Saskatchewan are two recent examples.

"As soon as we begin to interrogate issues of racism people get uncomfortable with it and hence the pushback we're seeing," she said.

If your default reaction to these discussions is to see white people as victims of reverse racism, Morgan has some advice: educate yourself.

"Anybody who would want to use or identify something as reverse racist, I would strongly encourage them to stop for a moment... and really think seriously about the last time they really have taken the time to study or get a deep understanding of what racism is and how it impacts different communities."
 
On a Saturday, a 52-year-old man was arrested for allegedly firing a weapon into a crowd at the recent white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Man Who Fired Gun at Charlottesville Rally Arrested and Charged (VIDEO)
https://sputniknews.com/us/201708301056905010-man-fired-gun-charlottesville-rally/

The man was identified by Charlottesville police as Richard Wilson Preston. Preston, who is from outside Baltimore, Maryland, is thought to be the man seen firing into a crowd in a video published on Twitter Saturday by the ACLU of Virginia.

In the video, a man walking with participants in the "Unite the Right Rally" rally pulls a pistol and shoots into a crowd of leftist counter-protesters.

The shooter in the video wears a tactical vest and a bandana and appears to yell a racial slur at an African-American protester before firing his weapon.

But this isn’t the first time a man named Richard Preston has shown up in the company of violent racists. USA Today reports that a Richard Preston appeared at a 2013 county municipal meeting in Baltimore as an imperial wizard for the Ku Klux Klan. In full hooded regalia, he defended the group as not racist, but only wishing to "stop Barack Obama," who was US president at the time.

"If we don't stop Barack Obama, if we don't stop this government all together, that is running us into the ground, working us like dogs, so that they can keep taking it and giving it to somebody else, we're not going to have a country," Preston said according to the report. He argued that the KKK was merely "a Christian organization."

Whether the Preston with Klan ties is the same as the man accused of firing the pistol has not been confirmed.

CNN reports that the Preston arrested Saturday faces a felony charge of discharging a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school, which could earn him a decade in prison. After being arrested in Maryland following a fugitive warrant issued in Virginia, Preston was being held at the Baltimore County Detention Center, according to the Baltimore Sun.

On Sunday the Bryn Mawr School, where Preston served as a maintenance person from 1996 to 2001, issued a comment denouncing Preston’s alleged actions as examples of "racism" and "hatred."

The Baltimore Sun quotes the school saying in a community email, "Though his employment was in the distant past, we are deeply disturbed by Mr. Preston’s alleged actions and associations. Hatred and racism are completely antithetical to our values … We stand united against bigotry, prejudice and violence of any kind."

Two more men have been arrested in connection with the far-right rally according to Charlottesville Police. Alex Michael Ramos and 18-year-old Daniel Patrick Borden, both charged with malicious wounding.

James Alex Fields Jr. remains in custody on second-degree murder charges for allegedly ramming his car into a group of unsuspecting counter-protesters during, injuring 35 and killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer. Photos surfaced of a man resembling Fields at the rally with a white nationalist group called Vanguard America.


Berkeley mayor Jesse Arreguin is calling for “Antifa” — the so-called “anti-fascist” group that proudly uses violence to silence views with which it does not agree — to be classified as a street gang by police.

Berkeley Mayor: Time to Classify Antifa as a Street Gang
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/08/29/berkeley-antifa-gang/

Arreguin’s comments came after hundreds of Antifa activists jumped police barricades on Sunday and assaulted right-wing protesters, injuring five. National media generally reported that Antifa had initiated the violence.

CBS San Francisco reported: “I think we should classify them as a gang,” said Arreguin. “They come dressed in uniforms. They have weapons, almost like a militia and I think we need to think about that in terms of our law enforcement approach.”

Arreguin said that while he does not support the far right, it was time to draw the line on the left as well, especially on the black-clad activists who showed up in force and took over both the protests and the park, and played a part in Sunday’s violent clashes.

The mayor said it was also time for the non-violent protesters to take a stand. “We also need to hold accountable and encourage people not to associate with these extremists because it empowers them and gives them cover,” said Arreguin.

The mayor’s criticism of Antifa, however, was not to be mistaken for a defense of free speech. Arreguin also called for a “Free Speech Week” scheduled by conservative students at the University of California Berkeley to be canceled, suggesting that the presence of conservative speakers provokes violence.
 
Former George W. Bush Treasury official Bruce Bartlett has claimed that all Trump supporters are racists.

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I'm not planning to post every cheap insult the establishment throws at Trump and his supporters. But it's kind of telling that more and more of there ilk are having complete meltdowns.

What a hysterical bunch of sad losers, so that's how it looks like when team psychopath is not getting their way. They transform into annoying 2 year old brats.
 
bjorn said:
Former George W. Bush Treasury official Bruce Bartlett has claimed that all Trump supporters are racists.

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I'm not planning to post every cheap insult the establishment throws at Trump and his supporters. But it's kind of telling that more and more of there ilk are having complete meltdowns.

What a hysterical bunch of sad losers, so that's how it looks like when team psychopath is not getting their way. They transform into annoying 2 year old brats.

Interesting that the media and establishment pundits freak out mainly about two things regarding Trump: his alleged "Russian collusion" and his alleged "sexism" - both utterly untrue of course. It's obvious that the deep state fears Russia geopolitically and need to constantly smear and defame it, and maybe they also desperately need the masses to believe in postmodernist, leftist nonsense such as that our society is oh so sexist and racist and therefore we need all those Orwellian diversity programs and meaningless "gendered" language. Basically, they fear that Trump brings a little common sense back to the table, both geopolitically and regarding leftist nonsense, and they just hate it. FWIW
 
luc said:
bjorn said:
Former George W. Bush Treasury official Bruce Bartlett has claimed that all Trump supporters are racists.

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I'm not planning to post every cheap insult the establishment throws at Trump and his supporters. But it's kind of telling that more and more of there ilk are having complete meltdowns.

What a hysterical bunch of sad losers, so that's how it looks like when team psychopath is not getting their way. They transform into annoying 2 year old brats.

Interesting that the media and establishment pundits freak out mainly about two things regarding Trump: his alleged "Russian collusion" and his alleged "sexism" - both utterly untrue of course. It's obvious that the deep state fears Russia geopolitically and need to constantly smear and defame it, and maybe they also desperately need the masses to believe in postmodernist, leftist nonsense such as that our society is oh so sexist and racist and therefore we need all those Orwellian diversity programs and meaningless "gendered" language. Basically, they fear that Trump brings a little common sense back to the table, both geopolitically and regarding leftist nonsense, and they just hate it. FWIW

Yes about the biggest thing the establishment doesn't like about Trump is his pretty rational and non confrontational stands and statements towards russia/Putin and him wanting to make deals with them, rather then waging totally crazy wars.
 
Pashalis said:
luc said:
bjorn said:
Former George W. Bush Treasury official Bruce Bartlett has claimed that all Trump supporters are racists.

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I'm not planning to post every cheap insult the establishment throws at Trump and his supporters. But it's kind of telling that more and more of there ilk are having complete meltdowns.

What a hysterical bunch of sad losers, so that's how it looks like when team psychopath is not getting their way. They transform into annoying 2 year old brats.

Interesting that the media and establishment pundits freak out mainly about two things regarding Trump: his alleged "Russian collusion" and his alleged "sexism" - both utterly untrue of course. It's obvious that the deep state fears Russia geopolitically and need to constantly smear and defame it, and maybe they also desperately need the masses to believe in postmodernist, leftist nonsense such as that our society is oh so sexist and racist and therefore we need all those Orwellian diversity programs and meaningless "gendered" language. Basically, they fear that Trump brings a little common sense back to the table, both geopolitically and regarding leftist nonsense, and they just hate it. FWIW

Yes about the biggest thing the establishment doesn't like about Trump is his pretty rational and non confrontational stands and statements towards russia/Putin and him wanting to make deals with them, rather then waging totally crazy wars.

Thanks, well said and I think that nicely sums it up. We only had Trump in office for around 9 months, now imagine how more crazier it's going to become with their antics. I'm not particularly looking forward to it. But it sure get's them all out of the woodworks.
 
Video: Charlottesville: what the mainstream media isn't telling you
Based Southern Belle
First-hand account of a participant on the "free speech" side who traveled there from some distance. If > 1/2 of what she says is true, the highly coordinated nature of the left's presence is disturbing and a dead giveaway that it was orchestrated with help from higher levels, IMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af5ZIBBzI-g

Video: Live Chat with Charlottesville eye-witness
First-hand witness says she saw "protestors" adorned with BLM, Antifa, Nazi, KKK emblems all getting off the same bus coaches. There are several videos of others who claim the same, and that goes for protest events in different cities also. The "KKK" shirts -- aren't the KKK supposed to be anonymous? That would mean they don't make t-shirts. Has anyone ever seen one in real life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ3jyrGB3VE
 
Colbert goes fully hysterical

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See bold parts for outragous comments.

Late-night host Colbert gives Trump Nazi salute
https://www.rt.com/usa/402488-colbert-nazi-salut-trump/

Comedian Stephen Colbert, host of a late-night show on CBS, flashed a Nazi salute - twice - during a rant about US President Donald Trump.

Returning to The Late Show after a two-week vacation, Colbert lashed out at Trump and his former chief strategist Steve Bannon, who resigned in mid-August.

Citing Bannon’s comment that Trump was taking things “up to a higher level” with comments about the violence in Charlottesville, Virginia in early August, Colbert went full Hitler.

“Yeah, he’s definitely taking it to a higher level. I’d say his support is about up there. Right around here,” Colbert said, raising his arm in a Nazi salute. “Or over here,” he added, doing it again. “Somewhere up there.”

While not the first celebrity to accuse Trump of being Hitler incarnate, Colbert was the first to give a Nazi salute on national television.

This prompted some conservative observers to wonder if CBS will apply the same standard as CNN did, when it fired pro-Trump commentator Jeffrey Lord in early August. Lord had tweeted “Sieg Heil!” – a Nazi slogan usually chanted with the salute – at a liberal critic. While Lord said it was done as mockery, CNN did not care.

“Nazi salutes are indefensible,” a CNN spokesperson told the network’s media writer Brian Stelter at the time.

Others pointed out that the odds of Colbert getting fired are small, because what matters to the mainstream media is not the salute itself, but who does it.

This is not the first time Colbert has pushed the envelope of outrage in his coverage of Trump. In a tirade in May, he employed homophobic slurs to describe the relationship between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin. Despite a torrent of complaints, the federal watchdog declined to penalize CBS.

During his Thursday night rant, Colbert also claimed that during his visit to Texas, Trump “didn’t meet a single storm victim, see an inch of rain or get near a flooded street.”

“He’s been closer to a flood in a Russian hotel room,” the CBS host added, referring to the infamous – and debunked – Steele dossier published by BuzzFeed earlier this year.


Colbert has hosted the late-night comedy show since September 2015, replacing the long-time host David Letterman. He previously hosted his own show, The Colbert Report, from 2005 to 2014 on Comedy Central – in character as an over-the-top conservative pundit.
 
bjorn said:
...During his Thursday night rant, Colbert also claimed that during his visit to Texas, Trump “didn’t meet a single storm victim, see an inch of rain or get near a flooded street.”

“He’s been closer to a flood in a Russian hotel room,” the CBS host added, referring to the infamous – and debunked – Steele dossier published by BuzzFeed earlier this year.

Colbert has hosted the late-night comedy show since September 2015, replacing the long-time host David Letterman. He previously hosted his own show, The Colbert Report, from 2005 to 2014 on Comedy Central – in character as an over-the-top conservative pundit.


Since November, I've had to exercise a lot of external consideration as my family is definitely in the anti-Trump camp, listens to NPR news and enjoys Steve Colbert. My family members know I despise Killary, yet did not vote for Trump. They are aware of my concern about the left-wing lunacy and how it's fomenting division, if not a violent civil war, here in the USA.

While walking through a room the other night, I overheard the show segment wherein Colbert stated Trump did not meet with a single Hurricane Harvey victim. I knew this was not the case, but declined to point it out while family members watched one of their favorite taped shows.

After gathering some links and photos of Trump and Melania helping out at the hurricane shelters, I thought about discussing it with my family. A part of me thinks this would not change their minds as the photos and videos of Trump doing what Colbert claimed did not happen would be excused as alt-right propaganda. I'd like to give truth to Colbert's dishonesty regarding Trump, yet I decided not to pursue the matter as I usually come up against a wall when gently attempting to show alternative news sources.

It's disheartening to watch loved ones believe in lies.
 
NormaRegula said:
It's disheartening to watch loved ones believe in lies.

Yes, indeed it is. Family members, friends and co-workers alike. Keep in mind that the susceptibility to lies from the media keeps repeating (Cold War, Korea, Vietnam, Middle East today, Cold War 2.0 etc) as often as the lies themselves are repeated ensuring that they will sink in. If those lies are of remote places, people might tend to figure it all out from the headlines and move along to domestic issues. So, it gets even more difficult when the focus is at home and to the very systems that has always been trusted and thus they refuse to acknowledge it unraveling or attribute the cause to a specious lie. People don't know what or who to trust and thus it seems they rely on defaults that they have most always trusted. The 'crowd' too reinforces the media and helps move individuals along who either just agree or are to frightened to not agree. In families, there seems to be lots of sweeping under the rug just to keep the peace and manufactured excuses can become the norm.

Your right though, it serves little purpose to counter what individual family members believe as peeps will learn when they learn and not before. I don't have a solid answer other than try to externally consider the situation at all times; which also does not mean there are not ways to try and convey thoughts, like asking questions. Perhaps the hardest thing with those who are close is in seeing their inability to be flexible/open, to cross reference a few things, look to the other side without bias - engage in a little reading such as the obvious lines of force involved in the Middle East, as example, or even the simplest of terms, cui bono.

Some of this political rhetoric reminds me of what Bob Altemeyer wrote in The Authoritarians (think it was him) whereby he presents what some of the more believed/revered politicians had said and attributes their words to unfavorable politicians and their words to them; and he had a look at who would resonate with their favorite politicians new words (or the opposite politician) knowing people had once agreed with the original words. Most still agreed with their politician even though the logic was now faulty and they did not agree with the other side even though they once had affinity to the words. So they picked a side that they knew and hunkered down even accepting words that they would not accept otherwise, they accepted lies.
 
[quote author= NormaRegula]It's disheartening to watch loved ones believe in lies.[/quote]

It really is, and I think it’s also disheartening to learn that they love their illusions more then the truth.

That said, giving up on others in this way may have been the best thing I ever did. It made my life easier and theirs. And in the meantime I can put my energy somewhere productive.

Though, sometimes I find it’s really difficult to keep quiet about some stuff. Since the MSM these days is kind of getting ridiculous.
 
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