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ya bra, good fun time, thanks for lookin out, wen you find, send me an email or post the names here :) an hugs to tha wahine n da kamali'i. oh ya, no forget lua n kajukenbo, get many books n maybe dvds fo lua no? gon visit soon 2 coz you missed big time brah?
The second thing is, you are being a bit presumptuous in thinking that you are going to make it to 4d. If it's your time, then it's your time, if not, it's not. The idea is to be ready when the time comes, and that means expanding awareness and strengthening will, which martial arts helps, n'est pas?
Okay, from a fellow programmer to another, let me try and see if I can compare various arts to various languages.
Now, I don't think I can actually find a programming language as useless and devoid of anything practiceable as Shotokan/*ryus, but if I had to pick one, that permitted the most amounts of screw ups and bad coding practices, I suppose it would be php. All karates fall into this category, we will call them the PHPs of martial arts, they can be good if you know what your doing, but no one who uses them does.
Kung Fus are kinda like Java, if you really know what you are doing, you can do some righteous stuff, but very few do, and very few can. Excepting a few Kung Fu-ish arts (Chinese martial arts) like Pakua, and Wing Tsun. Pakua would be like lisp, was awesome at one time, but no one is really into it anymore, Wing Tsun would be like Python, immenently cool, there is just always something a little easier or well known to do the job. You'd like to do it in python, but you just won't and it's no ones fault but your own. Kali/Escrima is like perl, it looks ugly but damn you do everything you need to do and fast. You hate using it, but you can't escape it, when it comes to all purpose tasks and administration, PERL is the way to go, and Kali/Escrima gets it done. Aikido is like Ruby, its just so fun, but you can't find a single real world use for it, theres always something else better, like wing tsun, you'd love to use ruby, it's just easier to use perl or php, and you are worse off for it.
The problem is, most programming languages are actually all kinda useful, meaning they share similar concepts, only the vocabulary is alittle different, MAs are similar, but it's hard to find a language as useless as say for instance kickboxing or judo. I am not sure about systema, as it has just about everything, but its hard to find sources to study from. There is no equivalent for Krav maga unles you know a language that copied all of the most brute force tactics from like 5 or 6 other languages, dumbed them down to work for a group of thugs who are only interested in a bloody body count. As a self defense style krav maga is the most psychopathic, and from what I have seen, not very effective unless you are fast and strong already. I have seen some of the crap they teach and it would only work if you were getting raped by someone representing the lowest end of the IQ measuring system.
2 Groin Strike
3 Elbow to the rear
4 muggers throw
5 chin strike
6 blocking of any kind
7 leg sweep
8 clench from the front
9 Whip toss
10 Kaiten Nage from a round house.
Most of these should be so self explanitory. Eye gouge, you can't be serious, first of all I am a fat stocky guy, if I am getting choked by anyone who is not shorter than me, my arms won't reach for an effective eye gouge, if I am a woman, no chance. And remember when you are getting choked you are not exactly in a focused state. Try it, I dare you, get a friend to really choke you and try to reach his eyes, half the time you won't even make it. I couldn't make it.
Groin strike, ya, that one was brilliant, the two most common situations you get taught this one is from a choke, or from a headlock. When someone has their hand around your neck and is choking you, and you hit them in the groin, what happens? Guys, you know, you coil up tightly in a fetal position. They don't let you go, they squeeze harder and fall over, no offense dude, but you'll be lucky if they don't break your neck.
Elbow to the rear, ya brilliant one. If a guy has a girl in a bear hug or muggers choke and he gets elbowed he might loosen up, but you won't get away, chances are he'll feel it coming or it will glance off his ribs, or he will be arched forward and you'll hit air, then what will really ensue is the defender's untimely passing out from getting clocked in the back of the head.
Muggers throw, umm, never turn your back on someone in a fight, and never commit yourself to a lower position without complete control, this one violates two major rules of combat.
Chin strike, not happening.
Don't block, never block. Unless you are strong and fast, you won't meet the strike in time to actually stop it, and if you do, you get clocked with the other hand, quit watching jet li movies, I have never seen anyone in a real fight be able to block more than 3 consecutive strikes before getting clocked.
Leg sweep, according to which style, lowered position, rarely works, not good with multiple attackers.
Clench from the front, this is a judoka thing, I see it all the time from judoka and highschool wrestlers, it's just plain stupid. Doing this gives your opponent access to the best attack points on the back and head. Royce could use it because he was good and quick, but I don't recommend it, and certainly never in a multiple attacker situation.
Whip Toss, it never works, just, it never works.
Kaiten Nage(Wheel Throw?), my favorite technique, just doesn't really work so well unless the person is really commited in their attack, and from a hay maker, not a chance, never turn your back on your opponent.
As for a list of martial arts created without spiritualism, Krav Maga stands out as the most psychopathic, JKDists are in an illusion with their form without form bull. Umm, I am not too big on martial systems created in the 20th, as their inherent nihilism is a big turn off.
Well, a few things come to mind when I hear this, the first... um, yeah, people still fight, still good vs. bad, this is the level of physical existance, you are supposed to master and fully understand the limits and advantages of physical form. What you are saying is tantamount to a 3rd grader wondering if they still use division and multiplication in 4th grade, the answer is yes. Variable physicality or know, if you don't have the will to accomplish something is physical form here, then you won't have the will to do it there. Nothing gets easier, it gets harder.
The second thing is, you are being a bit presumptuous in thinking that you are going to make it to 4d. If it's your time, then it's your time, if not, it's not. The idea is to be ready when the time comes, and that means expanding awareness and strengthening will, which martial arts helps, n'est pas?
Okay, from a fellow programmer to another, let me try and see if I can compare various arts to various languages.
Now, I don't think I can actually find a programming language as useless and devoid of anything practiceable as Shotokan/*ryus, but if I had to pick one, that permitted the most amounts of screw ups and bad coding practices, I suppose it would be php. All karates fall into this category, we will call them the PHPs of martial arts, they can be good if you know what your doing, but no one who uses them does.
Kung Fus are kinda like Java, if you really know what you are doing, you can do some righteous stuff, but very few do, and very few can. Excepting a few Kung Fu-ish arts (Chinese martial arts) like Pakua, and Wing Tsun. Pakua would be like lisp, was awesome at one time, but no one is really into it anymore, Wing Tsun would be like Python, immenently cool, there is just always something a little easier or well known to do the job. You'd like to do it in python, but you just won't and it's no ones fault but your own. Kali/Escrima is like perl, it looks ugly but damn you do everything you need to do and fast. You hate using it, but you can't escape it, when it comes to all purpose tasks and administration, PERL is the way to go, and Kali/Escrima gets it done. Aikido is like Ruby, its just so fun, but you can't find a single real world use for it, theres always something else better, like wing tsun, you'd love to use ruby, it's just easier to use perl or php, and you are worse off for it.
The problem is, most programming languages are actually all kinda useful, meaning they share similar concepts, only the vocabulary is alittle different, MAs are similar, but it's hard to find a language as useless as say for instance kickboxing or judo. I am not sure about systema, as it has just about everything, but its hard to find sources to study from. There is no equivalent for Krav maga unles you know a language that copied all of the most brute force tactics from like 5 or 6 other languages, dumbed them down to work for a group of thugs who are only interested in a bloody body count. As a self defense style krav maga is the most psychopathic, and from what I have seen, not very effective unless you are fast and strong already. I have seen some of the crap they teach and it would only work if you were getting raped by someone representing the lowest end of the IQ measuring system.
1 Eye Gouge
2 Groin Strike
3 Elbow to the rear
4 muggers throw
5 chin strike
6 blocking of any kind
7 leg sweep
8 clench from the front
9 Whip toss
10 Kaiten Nage from a round house.
Most of these should be so self explanitory. Eye gouge, you can't be serious, first of all I am a fat stocky guy, if I am getting choked by anyone who is not shorter than me, my arms won't reach for an effective eye gouge, if I am a woman, no chance. And remember when you are getting choked you are not exactly in a focused state. Try it, I dare you, get a friend to really choke you and try to reach his eyes, half the time you won't even make it. I couldn't make it.
Groin strike, ya, that one was brilliant, the two most common situations you get taught this one is from a choke, or from a headlock. When someone has their hand around your neck and is choking you, and you hit them in the groin, what happens? Guys, you know, you coil up tightly in a fetal position. They don't let you go, they squeeze harder and fall over, no offense dude, but you'll be lucky if they don't break your neck.
Elbow to the rear, ya brilliant one. If a guy has a girl in a bear hug or muggers choke and he gets elbowed he might loosen up, but you won't get away, chances are he'll feel it coming or it will glance off his ribs, or he will be arched forward and you'll hit air, then what will really ensue is the defender's untimely passing out from getting clocked in the back of the head.
Muggers throw, umm, never turn your back on someone in a fight, and never commit yourself to a lower position without complete control, this one violates two major rules of combat.
Chin strike, not happening.
Don't block, never block. Unless you are strong and fast, you won't meet the strike in time to actually stop it, and if you do, you get clocked with the other hand, quit watching jet li movies, I have never seen anyone in a real fight be able to block more than 3 consecutive strikes before getting clocked.
Leg sweep, according to which style, lowered position, rarely works, not good with multiple attackers.
Clench from the front, this is a judoka thing, I see it all the time from judoka and highschool wrestlers, it's just plain stupid. Doing this gives your opponent access to the best attack points on the back and head. Royce could use it because he was good and quick, but I don't recommend it, and certainly never in a multiple attacker situation.
Whip Toss, it never works, just, it never works.
Kaiten Nage(Wheel Throw?), my favorite technique, just doesn't really work so well unless the person is really commited in their attack, and from a hay maker, not a chance, never turn your back on your opponent.
As for a list of martial arts created without spiritualism, Krav Maga stands out as the most psychopathic, JKDists are in an illusion with their form without form bull. Umm, I am not too big on martial systems created in the 20th, as their inherent nihilism is a big turn off.
Ruth
The Living Force
Why are you finding yourself in such situations? Surely some part of martial arts must be the art of avoiding violence by simply not being there, instead of actively combating it when one finds oneself upto one's neck in it? Is your 'camophlage' getting a little 'rusty'?Nathan said:
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In my personal opinion martial arts are about way more than violence, streetfights or even wars, and certainly more than avoidance. However simply not being there is not a good way to look at things. For instance, while I am sure you do not make the connection between combat and writing an editorial on the signs page, they are essentially similar, even energetically so. For instance, SOTT stands for defending truth and defending free will, but it certainly doesn't do it by "not being there" when someone is picking on someone else.Ruth said:
Many many people look at martial arts as simply pugilism, it is not, it is a way of understanding interaction. We all have grown up with phrases like "the pen is mightier than the sword" or "words are like arrows, once unleashed, they cannot be recalled" etc and so forth, and yet many of these same people find it very difficult to see the same principles at work in a verbal confrontation, a literary confrontation, and a physical confrontation. Each of these is a manifestation of the same or similar energetic dynamics.
And to be honest, I personally think it's a bit pretentious to look down on someone who chooses to solve with violence what another chooses to solve with words, or written criticisms. While I personally, as a student of martial arts, find using brute force violence as ineffective and ultimately self defeating under most circumstances, this particular theory comes from experience.
For me using violence is a strategic error in most cases, while others tend to look at it as a qualitative statement of a human being.
Also, while not apparent to the majority of students, the lessons gained from physical confrontation, and certainly from practice in the martial arts are completely applicable in every field of interaction. You can apply the theories of hard and soft to your tone of voice, your choice of words is the same as your choice of strikes and targets. The psychology of combat is also wholly applicable, and you can expect similar reactions based on various techniques.
As a for instance, if as is common, you have an attacker and 2 lts. backing him up you know that the attacker with have priority, and will attack first and the two lts. will sit back as support, or they may as is very rare, circle to 9-7 or 3-5 clock positions, again rare. The essential strategy to use against a triangular 3 on one is to destroy or deflect the point and circle to right so you can take out the lts. The same is true in a verbal argument. If three individuals begin a verbal battle with you, you deflect or immediately destroy the instigator and with missing a beat circle around and attack the lts.If they circled you restack them by pushing the leader against the lt. in the former 3 oclock (now about 9 oclock) position and goving after the other. If you saw this confrontation from a birds eye view you could freeze frame various parts of the fight and create two basic geometric shapes, a triangle and a circle.
As a for instance, three guys come up to you, typical hoodlum king and two prince configuration, one calls you a bastard while the other two laugh as backup. You laff, tell him it's true, his mom left bastards all over town, "but at least my dad can afford child support." or some such, then dig into the prince on the right, work to left. Its the same strategy, only with words. The reason it works is based on martial arts principles, people in said configuration represent fire, your defensive attack represents water. The same tactics work in large scale warfare. This is why Sun Tzu and so many others stressed the importance of the WuXing in martial arts, and martial strategy, because it is applicable in every interaction because all interactions are governed by Yin and Yang, and Yin and Yang manifest in the 5 movements of the WuXing and are affected by the control cycle.
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atreides
Guest
Hey ! Hugs, and give some hugs to the little one, I am really happy to hear that she has become interested in martial arts. I am very interested in capoeira, though I am not really of the body type capable of practicing it. I do like alot of their ideas about music and the sort of laid back training stuff, compared to the japanese way.
Justin
Jedi Master
I think this a very accurate summary of the weaknesses of the GJJ system. I studied GJJ with one of the Gracies for several years. Overall, the system seems solid in one-on-one situations, but with the emphasis on take-down techniques and grappling it is ineffective against multiple opponents (unless you are really fast, they are really inept, or both). There are some maneuvers taught in the GJJ system that can but used in a multiple-attacker scenario, but their effectiveness is, I think, dependent on a high level of skill, speed and timing by the practitioner. Also, GJJ teaches defense against a variety of weapons, but teaches no use of weapons (at least nothing I saw, although there may be some at higher levels).atreides said:
For anyone interested in a well-rounded knowledge of martial art techniques, not studying some form of grappling is a mistake, imo. While practicing the GJJ system I had many opportunities to teach newer students who were quite proficient at other martial art styles, but who knew almost nothing about grappling techniques - so their MA knowledge became useless once they were one the ground.
Very interesting thread. Thanks for the information, Atreides. I've often considered studying another MA style, particularly one that is more effective versus multiple opponents.
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atreides
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Hey Justin
Great info, typically grappling martial arts rarely teach weapons, in my experience, also, what they teach as counters to weapons are not entirely feasible, especially knife defenses.
If you want to learn to take on multiple attackers, the Systema is really the best if that's your main focus, because Systema tends to focus on those situations from the gate. If you can handle 3 attackers, you can handle one. Once you've had 3-4 big surly guys running at you, one doesn't seem so intimidating anymore I suppose.
But, if you are really interested in weapons, as well as open hand techniques, look into Kali or modern arnis, you would be amazed at how similar hand to stick to knife to sword techniques are. They also have some great locks and breaks. I guess you can kinda notice that I am a big fan of Kali and Systema, but they really are pretty solid from what I have seen, premise and application wise.
Back onto grappling, those Sambo guys are good too, so if you get a chance to study with them, I would take it.
Great info, typically grappling martial arts rarely teach weapons, in my experience, also, what they teach as counters to weapons are not entirely feasible, especially knife defenses.
If you want to learn to take on multiple attackers, the Systema is really the best if that's your main focus, because Systema tends to focus on those situations from the gate. If you can handle 3 attackers, you can handle one. Once you've had 3-4 big surly guys running at you, one doesn't seem so intimidating anymore I suppose.
But, if you are really interested in weapons, as well as open hand techniques, look into Kali or modern arnis, you would be amazed at how similar hand to stick to knife to sword techniques are. They also have some great locks and breaks. I guess you can kinda notice that I am a big fan of Kali and Systema, but they really are pretty solid from what I have seen, premise and application wise.
Back onto grappling, those Sambo guys are good too, so if you get a chance to study with them, I would take it.
Nathan
Dagobah Resident
LOL! I just re-read my post and see what you mean. I didn't mean it that way at all, I find myself in these situations very rarely. In most cases, I can avoid fights (in most cases, tone of voice and body language can resolve the situations) however if and when one is unavoidable, it's usually in defence of a friend more so than myself. The regularity has been somewhere around once every few years - confrontations that is, not brushing my teeth! :DScioAgapeOmnis said:
In my experience, it is not easy to find a martial art where you can also learn to avoid potentially volatile situations, verbal abuse prevention, managing your fear during confrontation, etc.
Atreides, you have no doubt spent considerable time training and, more importantly, researching many martial arts. Your suggestions and evaluations of these arts are much appreciated and will save many forum members (myself included) from wasting their time with ineffective martial arts. I spent six years studying Karate *shudder*. Six years I will never get back! :P But, that's how I learnt in the end.
I had a bit of a read up on Systema and watched some videos. I am attending a local class in a few days to see for myself, but from what I've read/seen, I am quite impressed. No kata (yay!), no belts, no rituals (yay!), just laid back training. Kali/Escrima is also next on my list. Thanks again for the info! :)
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Hey Nathan
LOL, it's actually been along time since I have been in a fight, I think the last one was around 17 when I started training Aikido, after that I couldn't even start a fight, and tried without success. What I am really interested in lately is the psychological forms of combat and confrontation, we see them everyday, and probably get into a few of them, but I have noticed that some people have a natural ability to just end such conflicts, and am working on that.
As for studying, it's been on and off for as long as I can remember, when I was 5 or 6 (I can't remember) my babysitters husband used to take us around back and teach us ninjitsu mediation exercises, probably to give his wife a break. I did do Karate (Isshin-ryu, Shotokan) for about a year, in 3rd grade I won a scholarship to study with the Ingrams, which was fun, even though Isshin-ryu is kinda retarded, but had to stop when the scholarship ran out. All in all, I value my karate experience, and I really appreciate the advice imparted to me by the Senseis there, but when it comes to the martial knowledge imparted, it was mostly a years worth of what not to do and how not to train.
As for training to day, it's mostly all in my head, I did a short stint with those Ryu Kyu Kenpo guys doing Kiai/Kyusho-jitsu and Viet vo Dao, but I figured out pretty quickly that those guys where into some dangerous stuff, besides I can't stand Occidentals bowing and scraping and spouting meaninless japanese phrases. 100 years ago, that was cool for the japanese, but that's not how occidentals show respect, and it's really meaningless to us. Most martial arts classes are just an ego trip for the sensei, and here in france it's ten times worse. Martial Arts as a whole are an ego trip wrapped in a Business. It's all about money, people use politics to collect belts like comic books or something. Then they go around teaching seminars. People get a black belt in one martial art, then change the name, start their own federation give themselves like a 5dan then go around and join other federations and get and equivalent 5dan in each martial art, then they put out an advertisement for a stage(seminar) and charge 20 people 40eu for 5 hours and go on their merry little way.
Anyway, I am glad you found a systema instructor, there is only one that I have found in France, and he's in Paris. However, I have considered flying up to Moscow for Ryabko's weak long course, I missed it this year, but if they have Konstantin Komarov next year, I am definately going.
LOL, it's actually been along time since I have been in a fight, I think the last one was around 17 when I started training Aikido, after that I couldn't even start a fight, and tried without success. What I am really interested in lately is the psychological forms of combat and confrontation, we see them everyday, and probably get into a few of them, but I have noticed that some people have a natural ability to just end such conflicts, and am working on that.
As for studying, it's been on and off for as long as I can remember, when I was 5 or 6 (I can't remember) my babysitters husband used to take us around back and teach us ninjitsu mediation exercises, probably to give his wife a break. I did do Karate (Isshin-ryu, Shotokan) for about a year, in 3rd grade I won a scholarship to study with the Ingrams, which was fun, even though Isshin-ryu is kinda retarded, but had to stop when the scholarship ran out. All in all, I value my karate experience, and I really appreciate the advice imparted to me by the Senseis there, but when it comes to the martial knowledge imparted, it was mostly a years worth of what not to do and how not to train.
As for training to day, it's mostly all in my head, I did a short stint with those Ryu Kyu Kenpo guys doing Kiai/Kyusho-jitsu and Viet vo Dao, but I figured out pretty quickly that those guys where into some dangerous stuff, besides I can't stand Occidentals bowing and scraping and spouting meaninless japanese phrases. 100 years ago, that was cool for the japanese, but that's not how occidentals show respect, and it's really meaningless to us. Most martial arts classes are just an ego trip for the sensei, and here in france it's ten times worse. Martial Arts as a whole are an ego trip wrapped in a Business. It's all about money, people use politics to collect belts like comic books or something. Then they go around teaching seminars. People get a black belt in one martial art, then change the name, start their own federation give themselves like a 5dan then go around and join other federations and get and equivalent 5dan in each martial art, then they put out an advertisement for a stage(seminar) and charge 20 people 40eu for 5 hours and go on their merry little way.
Anyway, I am glad you found a systema instructor, there is only one that I have found in France, and he's in Paris. However, I have considered flying up to Moscow for Ryabko's weak long course, I missed it this year, but if they have Konstantin Komarov next year, I am definately going.
StrangeCaptain
Jedi Council Member
What about the French kickboxing system Savate? Seen that around at all?
It all depends on how it is applied. It's in the timing. Whatever works in the situation is a good technique but I think that getting too bogged down in classical systems will limit one's spontaneity and consequently one's timing would be detrimentally effected. I think the less classical the fighting system then the better since a real fight is, in a sense, "free" and is not limited to rigid specialization. I think American boxing is good in this respect. Filipino Kali is good too since stick fighting is like fencing.ScioAgapeOmnis said:
When I was in my early teens I trained under a man by the name of Steve Johnson who was a student of Bruce Lee's. Steve used to break cinderblocks with his fist one inch away from the block. He had to be focusing his energy or, possibly his 'chi', to accomplish this. So it's a state of mind but I think that it has do do more with concentration then 'spirituality.' Steve said that Bruce Lee was the real deal. When he fought Bruce he said he was like a ghost. He'd throw a punch and Bruce Lee would suddenly be somewhere else. Couldn't hit him. Bruce Lee's timing and speed worked together impeccably. Possibly his power also came from this 'chi'. I think Gurdjieff called this energy Hansbledzoin (sp?) (the blood of the astral body) which is the energy that builds the lower inner "being body." If one can store and focus this energy then it can make one almost invincible in a fight, but it can't make one any more "spiritual."
I think what matters is the awareness the martial arts develop. For example, if you look at my Bruce Lee avatar you will see that he is not angry. He's just ready. In that picture he is in an 'inner state' of "egoless" awareness. That's what made him such a good fighter. His soul was his art. He might have had a big ego in other ways but when he fought it was all about "egoless" awareness, timing and speed. His fought with emotion but not with anger. It's this aspect of the the "fighting arts" that I like.
How good a fighter you are in relation to the other guy really is unimportant. It's the awareness that one develops which, I think, can make ones training so valuable. Some people are natural "physical fighters," as determined by genetics and others are less so but the more skillful one becomes then the more one can apply those principles into those things that one is really good at.
Ruth
The Living Force
Its interesting that 'ego' plays such a significant part in success or failure during a fight. One wonders if it doesn't play a large part in all forms of conflict and discord, both physical, verbal and spiritual? Maybe the ego is what keeps us firmly attached to the short wave cycle and all forms of 'trouble and strife'?kenlee said:
It's a paradox, I think. The ego is what might make us really good at something but it might be the main thing that keeps us from being really great at it. A "classical fighter" might be limited in this way and I think this is what Bruce Lee tried to get across to other martial artists.Ruth said:
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I both agree and disagree with this, it's very easy to get caught up in what I consider to be a wholly unsupportable statement "it's the artist, not the art". Some techniques are just bad, and some arts are just bad. Yes, you can make a bad thing work, and that takes skill and practice, but one should acknowledge whether or not something is objectively bad, or good in the use/useless sense.
I have trained under various masters including for a brief moment George Dillman who trained with Bruce Lee and is the current owner of the Deer Lake training facility and Song Park, as well as some of their students. In my humble opinion you have explained things a in bit of a dogmatic sense. Bruce Lee's timing and speed were purely body centric, his rhythm just as Shinmen Musashi's before him, was the essence of his abilities of evasion. Speed and evasion are not related to anything aside from experience and rhythm. I don't think that Bruce Lee achieved anything martially except extreme moving center perfection, which showed in the manner of his death. The symbolic nature of dieing from a wound of the head si inescapable. As for the one inch punch, it is more of a parlour trick than anything else, even the zero inch punch is a mixture of basic WuXing manipulation and in most cases hypnosis from the NLP perspective. If you make a fire fist and put it one inch from CV 14 and twist from Wood to Fire stance while pushing and twisting on CV 14 you will get the same effect because the CNS will think the heart is in danger(CV 14 is an Alarm point(MU Point)) and the person will jump back, if you toss water into the mix, you could really do some damage. You don't even need to be conscious of this for it to work. If you add in Kiai Jitsu then it becomes a serious issue. All of this stuff is in Wing Tsun at the higher levels from their knowledge of Dim Mak. There is a similar principle at work with the elbow chop, most people don't know know how to get someone to flip over from an elbow chop, the higher dans know that to do it you have to rotate the elbow around and strike Heart 3 etc.
I don't think that him posing for a picture proves anything about his emotional fighting style or his ego, though, we can most likely agree that Bruce Lee was very moving center oriented. However I don't think he was completely unaware of Dim Mak that intentionally uses emotions in attack. Ego does play an important role in training and fighting, but during real combat that is no ego anyway as combat takes place in most cases outside of conscious interference.
Of course it is important, and it is not beyond ones control. The samurai have a saying, "There is no honor in failure." If you set out to do something do it well, if you fail, acknowledge that you have failed and do better, don't try, don't whine about your best, do better. We always say it's okay to fail, well it's not, however we should forgive ourselves and others for failing, but it doesn't make failure okay, it just makes it forgiveable. You need to be honest with yourself, brutally honest. If you lose, you lost because you did not know enough, or train enough, and thats okay, next time do better. Like Yoda says, Do or Do Not, there is no try.
If you cannot apply what you know to combat, then applying it to other situations with any real success is unlikely. However if you are simply discussing the will developed by sticking to it and going everyday, or the strength gained from working out, why not just take an aerobics class? Hit the gym, martial arts is not an exercise routine, and there are many better ways to develop ones will. Those reasons I would list as the least important for studying the martial arts.
Bruce Lee was not really a martial artist, he was a pugilist, a Chinese Boxer, albeit the greatest that ever lived, and probably ever will.
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