What am I or anyone meant to do?

[aragorn]

Luke, have you read In Search Of The Miraculous?

Not yet, I am working up to it. Right now I am reading castaneda's books... Got 2 left then onto ISOTM. Why did you ask?

I found it very helpful in explaining similar things and questions you are currently occupying your mind with-I like to reread parts of it every now and then in order to get 'the big picture'. Maybe it would be an idea to jump right to it, see how you feel after reading it.

 

[wanderer33]

Aaron, three posts in a row were biting my back. Tsk. Don't attempt to interrogate me. I'm not interested.

I'm glad Luke understood that my intent was to help him. Nothing more needed to be read into it.

You can back off now, or do you have further theories about meaning which you would like to put forward?

I'll likely not respond, but it might make interesting reading.

 

[agni]

Glass full wonderer33 ? Why do you come to the forum ? You seem to be very close minded to any kind of input.

Don't know about others, but I find your posts quite arrogant.

 

[shijing]

Hi wanderer33 --

I'm glad Luke understood that my intent was to help him. Nothing more needed to be read into it.

It's to Luke's credit that he didn't take offense, and I also realize that your intent was to help him. That being said, your post did come off as condescending. You are feeling defensive about aaron r's reaction to this -- perhaps it would be better to acknowledge that while your intent was good, your delivery could be fine-tuned with more external consideration? And this with the understanding that this feedback is not meant as a personal attack against you, but offered with the intention of helping you to see something objectively that you might not be able to see on your own.

 

[ana]

Hi wanderer33 --

I'm glad Luke understood that my intent was to help him. Nothing more needed to be read into it.

It's to Luke's credit that he didn't take offense, and I also realize that your intent was to help him. That being said, your post did come off as condescending. You are feeling defensive about aaron r's reaction to this -- perhaps it would be better to acknowledge that while your intent was good, your delivery could be fine-tuned with more external consideration? And this with the understanding that this feedback is not meant as a personal attack against you, but offered with the intention of helping you to see something objectively that you might not be able to see on your own.

I agree,

You can back off now, or do you have further theories about meaning which you would like to put forward?

I'll likely not respond, but it might make interesting reading.

When someone is seeing something in me, he or she may be right or not, so the first thing I try to do is recapitulate, if I still do not agree or see it, then I ask for most feedback to better understand.
The key is to openly and sincerely comunicate but if we sink in resentment, anger or whatever negative emotion arises our oportunity to change and grow stops.

Those are basics of the work aren't they?

 

[truth seeker]

I agree with Shijing and Ana.

Aaron r, I would also say that you may want to consider the flavor of your responses. While I believe you were correct in your assesment of wanderer 33's post, try to take a bit more care in how you say what you say.

 

[The Noble Son]

Hi Luke,

I know your'e pain, in fact every single one of us does with our own problems. I watched the 11th hour last night and it woke me up and brought me up to speed with reality. I know what I must do! Clarify what I have gone through and give everyone a new HOPE. Now for Luke's question. To look at your'e pain and say 'what if' or 'why' is not the answer, worrying is a waste of energy. The current world problem is not global warming, the melting of the ice caps or extinction of species, all of that is already addressed it is not our concern. Rather we all have a much simpler task in life. Its re-awakening the human mind. What I mean by re-awakening is coming back up to speed with reality. Socially we are stuck in the 50s in how we think about everything. Stopping and taking a look back upon everything we have learned, what NEEDS to be learned, and what we still have yet to learn. :D I say WE, because everyone needs to understand what we really are. We are not some special divine GOD like super human who think's of ourself's so highly, its simply not natural and is actually very selfish, that is from operating off of FEAR. The answer is LOVE. What we need to understand about ourselves is that we are very, very, oh so special and what we do deserve credit for is that we are CREATORS! Creating requires Love which means love is the ultimate creator! Not us so don't get that into your head. Understand your mind, realize what the true intent of the dark side is. You must look into the dark and be able to see light. The deeper meaning is trying to understand what is really going on with yourself how you are stuck in what Im going to call the social block. What I mean is that we are all creatures who are designed to work on earth and co-exist with it. I know its hard to open your mind, they way I imagine it is we are just another animal, but the Creator needs to be given some credit here now because this is the truly amazing part. Look how nature has designed ourselves. When we lose our direction and become caught up in our control dramas and material pre-occupation. When we answer to money before quality of life, what does that create? It has created our current reality. Hour 11 and 59 seconds, GODS FAILSAFE, which means we have 1 minute left before it is too late. Understand now the URGENCY OF RIGHT NOW. Life as we know it is an act of suicide! 2012 is simply when the world changes for GOOD! not bad ;D Now the dark side of this is ok, we are very close to making the biggest mistake of our universe and we will have to suffer! FORTUNATELY WE HAVE THE POWER OF HOPE! HOPE IS WHAT WE FIGHT WITH WHEN ALL ELSE IS LOST! RIGHT NOW ALL IS LOST WE NEED TO LEARN TO USE OUR HOPE TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE AND CHANGE. IT IS NOT A FRIGHTENING THING, INSTEAD IT IS OUR VERY REASON FOR EXISTENCE! TO CHANGE RIGHT NOW! We have gone through life with no regard for the true quality of it. Instead our economy's are designed for growth instead of stability and we constantly pollute the very mother earth we came from w/o realizing what we are doing. It is like kicking your mother in the face over and over again. We have to stop right now, and you must understand what NOW means. At this very moment everyone needs to start realizing we are all ONE. Created from ONE we are all the same we are all family we are all no different from anyone else. Im not referring to individuality but just simply WHAT we are. We are earths most evolved CREATURE. Put here to keep order and peace because we are able to fully understand ourselves. At first it seems impossible but it is not. Nothing is impossible, I mean that. This forum is where we can all find hope, it is a gather of the lost souls who know that we can do better. It is a miracle that we can realize now how to socially change, able to speak the TRUTH, no more LIES. What we need now is a WORLD PLAN. Something EVERYONE gets on board with and it has to start NOW. Now Im here to help you with this insanity going on in your mind and offer you comfort and guidance because there is hope, I have found it in my life. What happened after that is I simply know my future, what I have to do and know what I need to do. I HAVE BELEIF IN MYSELF AS DO I HAVE IN EVERYONE OF YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING. YOU KNOW WHATS RIGHT. ALL THESE QUESTIONS YOU HAVE FROM YOUR DREAMS AND FEARS ARE THEIR TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ONLY ARE THE ANSWER! PLEASE HELP ME FOR WE CAN CHANGE AND FIX EVERYTHING IT IS OUR HUMAN NATURE AND OUR VERY PURPOSE! OUR DREAMS BROUGHT US ALL TOGETHER, THAT IS TRUELY AMAZING!

Thank you Luke FOR CREATING this post! LETS START HERE AND NOW. Luke you have a very important future as does every single one of us. Its time wake up your dormant mind and see clearly enough because the reign of fear is over. WE FIGURED IT OUT WE KNOW WHY WE ARE HERE!

Andrew, The Noble Son

Edit: fixed word

 

[The Noble Son]

^ Bump to sticky Luke's question should be addressed by everyone and put into consideration w/ their own life. Please help the change happen its our only hope. I hope I was clear enough, if not ask me more questions, I got all the time in the world :D We all do.

 

[wanderer33]

Well, thanks for the interlude Noble Son. I've got to say, that post leaves me gob smacked. LOL.

Back to the responses. The only user who didn't take offence at my post was the chap who it was intended for. Thank heavens for that.
I guess that says a lot about intent.

I can't help the fact that I come across as arrogant. I'm not intentionally arrogant, lets get that straight. Well, maybe I come over that way, but again not my intention. So can we just take that on board and adjust to the way I post? I don't break any rules that I can see other than being misinterpreted...often. Understanding is an important virtue.

Ana

When someone is seeing something in me, he or she may be right or not, so the first thing I try to do is recapitulate, if I still do not agree or see it, then I ask for most feedback to better understand.
The key is to openly and sincerely comunicate but if we sink in resentment, anger or whatever negative emotion arises our oportunity to change and grow stops.

Those are basics of the work aren't they?

Yes, I agree with that. OK it seems that I need to be a lot more humble when making comments. I'll have to work on that virtue. Its not part of my basic nature.

So, Aaron I thought you were blatantly rude, but read above and you will see that I have taken the sense of what you said on board.

 

[Lucius]

I agree with what others have said, but just wanted to add that you are not alone. We are not alone. We share here and build upon our knowledge. To what end? I'm not sure, but it feels less lonely when you know others are doing the same thing. Learning and helping to learn.

That is good, Hope that there are some people learning and helping in this madness time...

 

[Lucius]

About luk question...

I cant explain that BUT i just FELL IT :)


No matter WHERE You Are.

No matter what you have.

It is matter what you see and who you are;)

Then you dont have worry about eating... yes... eating ... work ... 2012 .. death..
It is matter to See what is going on YOU will know what to do - What do you feel at any given moment what is best for you according to your heart and good will.

Important is EE Meditation and Relax - because there are many "bad programs" that want draw you in to in .
When you are doing EE you SEE what is going on and you can see who You are .

 

[The Noble Son]

Lukas feeling is the most important part to being able to know the truth. You have to understand what is genetics and why we have DNA and etc. The knowledge is always their but we have to but the puzzle together to get the entire picture. Now once that is possible you mind clicks into a new gear. You can see all past until now as ONE.

 

[The Noble Son]

put the puzzle together*

 

[Renaissance]

I can't help the fact that I come across as arrogant. I'm not intentionally arrogant, lets get that straight. Well, maybe I come over that way, but again not my intention. So can we just take that on board and adjust to the way I post? I don't break any rules that I can see other than being misinterpreted...often. Understanding is an important virtue.

When someone is seeing something in me, he or she may be right or not, so the first thing I try to do is recapitulate, if I still do not agree or see it, then I ask for most feedback to better understand.
The key is to openly and sincerely comunicate but if we sink in resentment, anger or whatever negative emotion arises our oportunity to change and grow stops.

Those are basics of the work aren't they?

Yes, I agree with that. OK it seems that I need to be a lot more humble when making comments. I'll have to work on that virtue. Its not part of my basic nature.

So, Aaron I thought you were blatantly rude, but read above and you will see that I have taken the sense of what you said on board.

I've found that it can be very easy to let the predator's mind take over after seeing the inconsideration of another. It's like it seizes the opportunity of 'being right' and runs with it. I've noticed it will even try and use the excuse of providing some sort of shock in order to be harsh. But more often than not, it just ends up distancing myself with another and closing the other person down to anything I'm trying to communicate. I'm not saying that these are the reasons or causes of your responses, wander33; this is just how I can react to these situations.

Trying to be humble seems like a pretty tall order for anyone. What has helped me is in trying to look at someone's situation and through that consider possible reactions or responses to what you are saying and how you are saying it. I think it can be even good practice to critically respond to posts that you'd either rather avoid or that make you want to 'come out with guns blazing'. Personally, I usually have to revise what I'm saying and thinking as I write such posts, which is what I mean by 'critically responding'. It's pretty much the work of rewiring destructive imprints.

I think it's a safe assumption that you want to help others, wanderer33. What I think is unfortunate is that your words frequently push people away when your trying to help. It's good to see you say you'll be working on it, but it's a little painful to see you say it at the end of the post while pushing people away in the beginning of the same post.

 

[shijing]

I think it's a safe assumption that you want to help others, wanderer33. What I think is unfortunate is that your words frequently push people away when your trying to help. It's good to see you say you'll be working on it, but it's a little painful to see you say it at the end of the post while pushing people away in the beginning of the same post.

This is a good observation. wanderer33, take a look at these two quotes in juxtaposition:

I can't help the fact that I come across as arrogant. I'm not intentionally arrogant, lets get that straight. Well, maybe I come over that way, but again not my intention. So can we just take that on board and adjust to the way I post? I don't break any rules that I can see other than being misinterpreted...often. Understanding is an important virtue.

So, Aaron I thought you were blatantly rude...

On the one hand, you are excusing yourself and asking for special treatment (the bolded part above), and on the other you are saying that aaron r was blatantly rude. What if he asked you to "just take that on board and adjust to the way he posts"? You can see how that won't work, right?

As far as you being misinterpreted (often) -- if several people see the same thing, then it likely means that there is something there to see. I realize that you have said that you are going to be working on this issue, and that's great, because it shows that you do understand that you can help the way you come across, contrary to what you state at the beginning of the above quote.