If you think someone’s topic of discussion here is a waste of time, benkostka, then you can just not follow the thread. The mods and ambassadors will rein things in if discussions devolve into a chat group.
We all need to be aware of trolls and call them out if need be. But let’s not to fall into a black and white attitude towards the range of different people who read and participate here, eh? Especially when it involves a new member.
Thank you
@T.C. @gottathink and
@Odin for your remarks on approaching new members. Not one of us here came out of a box completely developed in beingness, knowledge and understanding.
Considering this is a research forum, perhaps you should take a look at why it was started.
Not only is this a research forum, but we are also a spiritual community striving for soul growth.
@FM258 You might also look into threads here under the title of, 'The Work.' This Work is based upon Gurdjieff's 4th Way methods of knowing ourselves and seeing where external and internal generated forces direct our behavior/thoughts/lives. Humanity lives most of their lives on autopilot and respond to all manner of things/situations in a knee jerk, mechanical way....In this sense, we are not really free beings.
It’s just being direct. I wasn’t being a jerk.
It seems as if there is a point of irritation or impatience with new members remarks
@benkostka; here and elsewhere....That would be something to discover in your own self work. As a reminder, I'll just add Gurdjieff's
description/definition of External Considering:
"The opposite of internal considering and what is in part a means of fighting against it is external considering. External considering is based upon an entirely different relationship towards people than internal considering. It is adaptation towards people, to their understanding, to their requirements. By considering externally a man does that which makes life easy for other people and for himself. External considering requires a knowledge of men, an understanding of their tastes, habits, and prejudices. At the same time external considering requires a great power over oneself, a great control over oneself. Very often a man desires sincerely to express or somehow or other show to another man what he really thinks of him or feels about him. And if he is a weak man he will of course give way to this desire and afterwards justify himself and say that he did not want to lie, did not want to pretend, he wanted to be sincere. Then he convinces himself that it was the other man's fault. He really wanted to consider him, even to give way to him, not to quarrel, and so on. But the other man did not at all want to consider him so that nothing could be done with him. It very often happens that a man begins with a blessing and ends with a curse. He begins by deciding not to consider and afterwards blames other people for not considering him. This is an example of how external considering passes into internal considering. But if a man really remembers himself he understands that another man is a machine just as he is himself. And then he will enter into his position, he will put himself in his place, and he will be really able to understand and feel what another man thinks and feels. If he can do this his work becomes easier for him. But if he approaches a man with his own requirements nothing except new internal considering can ever be obtained from it.
Right external considering is very important in the work. It often happens that people who understand very well the necessity of external considering in life do not understand the necessity of external considering in the work; they decide that just because they are in the work they have the right not to consider. Whereas in reality, in the work, that is, for a man's own successful work, ten times more external considering is necessary than in life, because only external considering on his part shows his valuation of the work and his understanding of the work; and success in the work is always proportional to the valuation and understanding of it. Remember that work cannot begin and cannot proceed on a level lower than that of the obyvatel, that is, on a level lower than ordinary life."
