Tauriel
Dagobah Resident
Awesome interaction!
And thank you. I like your younger self much more than crazy Jack.
What do the rich and powerful fantasize about?
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And thank you. I like your younger self much more than crazy Jack.
SlipNet
The Living Force
Well this has turned into an interesting thread about external considering and good conduct, who'd have thunk it? 
On the subject of elites? The C's have said on many occasions that greed is a sickness, and that our society is money greedy in contrast to the Atlantean society which was energy greedy. So more wealth, more power/influence, more control over us poor plebs is how I see it. One thing we can surmise is that they won't change their ways, I kinda think the point of no return was passed long ago.
I think it's also fair to say that sex is a part of it too, as Kissinger once said, "power is a great aphrodisiac". Hence the elites can control those below them on the pecking order through gathering dirt on them. From their perspective, a superb plan, but I think it will backfire on them because I also think that sex will lose its power over people. It's become a millstone for many, and one that the masses will throw off eventually. Love is the real power, casual sex is IMO soul destroying.
One final point; calling them "elite" is a misnomer in my view. They are clearly more degenerate than the masses, driven by basic and primal drives. Awareness of this fact has exploded in the last 10 years They will be seen for what they are; primitive, ruthless, pathological. How long this will take before a tipping point is reached is anyone's guess however. Sooner rather than later is my only hope, because frankly I've become sick of living in the pigsty, we're worth far more than this.
On the subject of elites? The C's have said on many occasions that greed is a sickness, and that our society is money greedy in contrast to the Atlantean society which was energy greedy. So more wealth, more power/influence, more control over us poor plebs is how I see it. One thing we can surmise is that they won't change their ways, I kinda think the point of no return was passed long ago.
I think it's also fair to say that sex is a part of it too, as Kissinger once said, "power is a great aphrodisiac". Hence the elites can control those below them on the pecking order through gathering dirt on them. From their perspective, a superb plan, but I think it will backfire on them because I also think that sex will lose its power over people. It's become a millstone for many, and one that the masses will throw off eventually. Love is the real power, casual sex is IMO soul destroying.
One final point; calling them "elite" is a misnomer in my view. They are clearly more degenerate than the masses, driven by basic and primal drives. Awareness of this fact has exploded in the last 10 years They will be seen for what they are; primitive, ruthless, pathological. How long this will take before a tipping point is reached is anyone's guess however. Sooner rather than later is my only hope, because frankly I've become sick of living in the pigsty, we're worth far more than this.
Tauriel
Dagobah Resident
I can see where you're coming from and think it to be true to an extent..
But to believe that they are primitive per se or only driven by basic and primal drives could be a mistake, not recognizing the enemy for what it is.
As for being more degenerate than the masses I suspect a big part of the masses only lack opportunity to display similiar behaviour.
It's true, the executive body may often consist of exactly such people.
In the upper echelons though we'd probably find the best of education, masters of their drives and instincts for what they consider a 'higher goal'.
Anyway, what is called 'elite', 'tptb', the 'deep state', the 'overlords' etc. is obviously part of a hyperdimensional game so grand we might not always be able to grasp it in all its enormity and repercussions yet.
The C's say, their Achilles' heel is their 'wishful thinking'. So there is hope for all of us.
To believe the dark forces to be primitive strikes me as a bit reckless.
Very often I cannot but admire their knowledge of the human psyche when they push us around on that big chess board called 3D life on earth.
On the other hand, calling them 'primitive' could also be a smart thing since it might lead to recognize our own primitivity thus knowing ourselves a bit better. As Castaneda wrote:
Sol Logos
The Living Force
By examining the behavior of a certain cohort, we can gain insight into their innermost desires. Even if the behavior has negative consequences, it still reveals what they are trying to achieve, despite the challenges they face. This suggests that the desire for these results is very powerful, or that the obstacles they face are part of the fantasy. It is possible to look to our own desires for control of our own lives and extrapolate from that what an extreme version of that would look like with more means to achieve it, such as more money, more resources, or more people to command or “control”. What does it mean to want to have power over life itself? Could it be even control over large populations, to such an extent that masses of people would surrender their own lives? Is that the kind of fantasy of these so-called super-elite playing out lately?
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altomaltes
Padawan Learner
This is called Manslow's pyramid
Maslow's hierarchy of needs - Wikipedia
A bit silly. The top of this object is a lot different for the people you talk about.
I think this guy knew this unconsciusly, so he gave the shape of a pyramid, and not a cilinder to his theory.
For me, this Manslow's pyramid is a highway to hell.
SlipNet
The Living Force
That's a fair response, Tauriel. All I'd say to clarify my point, is that the drives of the rich and powerful seem to my eyes to be somewhat primitive. I don't underestimate their intelligence level, they're clearly highly smart people. Still a wasted potential though. I see our world in general as being very much a case of wasted potential. But some things can't be fixed down here can they? Us plebs don't have the know-how and the power to effect change in our world, and even when a person emerges with the will and the opportunity (say JFK), well we all know what happened then.
As for the overlords, 4d STS remain a mystery. They're an entire density above us, and if we look at how we interact with 2d STS, well the mind boggles in how we are viewed by said entities. I think it's fair to say they'd be pretty aloof, and indeed see us as pretty primitive beings. And their intelligence and savoir-fair would dwarf us in all respects.
Very interesting to note that the STS achilles heel is wishful thinking. I would say passion is the achilles heel of us underlings, we just as a collective cannot master our passions, and indeed that is a tough job! Heck, look at how super smart people like C G Jung and Castaneda himself never managed to overcome their passions. Food for thought anyway.
SlipNet
The Living Force
I don't want to derail the subject of the thread, but I thought I'd share this article on Castaneda as a cautionary tale. I read a bit of him years back, but I didn't get much out of his work to be quite honest. Anyway, if you want to discover a bit more of the man behind the myth, check this one out, it's a very detailed piece. Passions, people are ruled and dominated by passions.
www.salon.com
The dark legacy of Carlos Castaneda
The godfather of the New Age led a secretive group of devoted followers in the last decade of his life. His closest "witches" remain missing, and former insiders, offering new details, believe the women took their own lives.
www.salon.com
Tauriel
Dagobah Resident
As a young person I've been very caught by his books, even developped a wish to become a shaman. Sweet youthful passion!
Anyway my personal inner compass threw me along some suspicious new agey paths and readings and when the inner compass advised a change of course I spent some years only reading about how it is done, the fooling peppered with truth; the filtering one has to do in search of what seems to be an elusive objective truth.
Castaneda was obviously a shady guy but said some great things that can be helpful in the work, imo.
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SlipNet
The Living Force
That's a moot point for me. He was a spellbinder, plain and simple. He ruined many a life, and still to this day has faithful devotees. I think of him as similar to Charles Manson to be quite honest. And that's speaking as a person who read "The Second Ring of Power" and was amazed by his writing. Ego, wishful thinking, and passion. A real waste.
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My personal perspective on Castaneda was that he failed to deliver what he was trained & taught to do - and ended up as an embittered sorcerer leeching of other people's energy i.e. fully STS.
I believe the value of his books are contained in Don Juan's teachings and that they are useful in advancing knowledge .
The channel used (I.e. Castaneda), does not invalidate the teaching (from Don Juan), but it does mean that the reader /student needs to take care in identifying true gold from fools gold. (Seems like this is accurate for any endeavour in an STS regime).
With hindsight /increased understanding, Don Juan is quite explicit in this (& delivers multiple examples), but it only became clear to me that this was the case / his intent after reading the whole book series.
I've come to regard Castaneda as a tragic, flawed, very human figure, but one to whom we should br thankful for being the vehicle utilised to share Don Juan's teachings. I would add: There, but for the grace of knowledge, goes me.
I believe the value of his books are contained in Don Juan's teachings and that they are useful in advancing knowledge .
The channel used (I.e. Castaneda), does not invalidate the teaching (from Don Juan), but it does mean that the reader /student needs to take care in identifying true gold from fools gold. (Seems like this is accurate for any endeavour in an STS regime).
With hindsight /increased understanding, Don Juan is quite explicit in this (& delivers multiple examples), but it only became clear to me that this was the case / his intent after reading the whole book series.
I've come to regard Castaneda as a tragic, flawed, very human figure, but one to whom we should br thankful for being the vehicle utilised to share Don Juan's teachings. I would add: There, but for the grace of knowledge, goes me.
SlipNet
The Living Force
I think Castaneda dreamt up Don Juan in his intelligent, fertile mind. And then the whole thing got going, with tragic results.
Weontv
Jedi
I have yet to be dumbfounded/astonished/surprised by anything a "rich and powerful" person does or says, I don't know why humans tend to romanticize them, the obvious truth here is that these people are agents of the system(whether initiated or not), a large majority of them are probably Organic Portals(meaning they are emotional reaction robots), they fantasize about things that serve themselves, if they are even capable of fantasizing to begin with.
A really good example of this in the modern day is Elon Musk. What exactly has he done thats convinced so many people hes a genius? All of his work is stolen/a continuation of ideas that existed long before he did, he doesn't come across as anyone of above average intelligence, butttttttt he has 200 billion dollars. Contrast this to Tesla, who did what he did, and also came across as the genius he was, who died poor after having his life's work sabotagued by the very people who probably ensure that the "elite's" of the world are generally the worst example of humanity existing. Strange strange times.
A really good example of this in the modern day is Elon Musk. What exactly has he done thats convinced so many people hes a genius? All of his work is stolen/a continuation of ideas that existed long before he did, he doesn't come across as anyone of above average intelligence, butttttttt he has 200 billion dollars. Contrast this to Tesla, who did what he did, and also came across as the genius he was, who died poor after having his life's work sabotagued by the very people who probably ensure that the "elite's" of the world are generally the worst example of humanity existing. Strange strange times.
I'd like to remind people that just because this board is about "What's on your mind" does not mean that someone can just post anything that they may be thinking about. (This does not include this thread, it's because it was been mentioned that if something is on my mind, why can't I post it on this board?"
We want to keep the "noise to signal" ratio to a minimum. Just spouting stuff that has no real meaning to anyone is not wanted. This is not a chatroom. For those who disagree with this, please read or re-read the Forum Guidelines. If you still disagree, then this is not the forum for you. We will not accept mindless chatter.
We want to keep the "noise to signal" ratio to a minimum. Just spouting stuff that has no real meaning to anyone is not wanted. This is not a chatroom. For those who disagree with this, please read or re-read the Forum Guidelines. If you still disagree, then this is not the forum for you. We will not accept mindless chatter.
Probably simple control and domination, but in a passive way in the sense that people like Gates are automatons from our perspective, they don't 'actively' plot, most of their 'thinking' comes from somewhere else. Then again, that could be said for people on the other side of the spectrum too. Btw, I won't lump Musk in with Gates.
Yeah, by all accounts, they are very VERY boring people. No creativity, no imagination.
