What do the rich and powerful fantasize about?

[FM258]

Thank you @T.C. @gottathink and @Odin for your remarks on approaching new members. Not one of us here came out of a box completely developed in beingness, knowledge and understanding.


Not only is this a research forum, but we are also a spiritual community striving for soul growth. @FM258 You might also look into threads here under the title of, 'The Work.' This Work is based upon Gurdjieff's 4th Way methods of knowing ourselves and seeing where external and internal generated forces direct our behavior/thoughts/lives. Humanity lives most of their lives on autopilot and respond to all manner of things/situations in a knee jerk, mechanical way....In this sense, we are not really free beings.

Had no idea this was a "research forum" I found an interesting bit of dialogue on the net and traced it here. Every message board I've ever been on had diverse forums to post in... Had a warm welcome that went bad after I made a thread about something on my mind, which is how I post to boards....never is it my intention to waste anyone's time, that is insulting, and my reaction to that was reasonable. I've been through a lot in my life, its doubtful ill be intimidated on the internet. If your group is not open to having new members, I just ride off, no big deal.

 

[Zzartemis]

If your group is not open to having new members, I just ride off, no big deal.

@FM258 Is that the message you got from my post? Believe me, I meant the opposite.

 

[FM258]

@FM258 Is that the message you got from my post? Believe me, I meant the opposite.

Sorry no Zartemis... that was the feeling I had after the rude post by someone, who had many "likes" on it.

Your post was an intervention and moderate. was not directed to you but was in reply to you.

 

[Zzartemis]

We all have the daydream/fantasy gene...so thats my question....people like Bill Gates and Elon, can have anything they want, but what do you suppose they "might" think about. Its an odd topic, but I get these strange ideas once in awhile

Based on their actions in the world, we can make good guesses at what they fantasize about.

From what I've read about how these families of immense wealth treat their young, I wonder if, that when they were children, they dreamed of parents who showered them with love and caring attention.

 

[Alejo]

This is exactly what my thoughts on it were...evil and dark.

That's what I was thinking about myself, when I pondered about your question I realized that I, and probably most people here, had normal fantasies and dreams, because they're normal human beings... the house, the car, travel, debt free existence etc.

But the people at the top, those that we know of and those that we don't, aren't normal human beings by definition, as such their fantasies are probably so pathological that it would perhaps shock most normies.

What I do wonder is, are they as out of reach, as they are for everyone? What I mean is, you don't fantasies about things you have, you fantasize about things you want.. and if they already get away with so much, what do they actually want.. and can they attain it? and how?

For the most part, the things that normal people want, even if unreachable, can be approximated with work discipline and some luck, I wonder if for them, at the level they operate, it would be the same but in a darker and evil orientation.

creepy stuff.

 

[Alejo]

It’s just being direct. I wasn’t being a jerk. Considering this is a research forum, perhaps you should take a look at why it was started.

I think he had a very fair point, you didn't behave as if it was a waste of time, you behaved as if it was your mission to... waste your time to point out time wasters, which is a contradiction in itself, which means.. you really did it for you and not to protect nor further the purpose of this research forum.

And I think that just as you were direct enough to point out when you thought something was a waste of time, you should be temperate enough when it is pointed out to you, that your post was a source of disruption.

I think what Zzartemis quoted is very appropriate, as a large chunk of the research being done here is also pointed inwards at our behavior and how we arrive at it.

Think about it, sometimes being direct isn't the most efficient way to get your point across, in fact it may drive away from it. And there's a difference between being direct and being clear IMO.

 

[zak]

We often forget to enjoy the journey, thinking only of our destination.
By opening a thread in this Forum, the possibility arises that the subject posed, reminds us of ourselves, and that it can become a parallel object of work on ourselves.
The most important thing is to remain open, and to communicate, simply to network.
The right question is not to look for "who", but for the why of the how of "I".
Most often the friction between two members open to this work, leads to a fire that not only can help to clarify their initial behaviours, and as feedback is given, to adjust and progress with knowledge and recognition.

 

[FM258]

I think he had a very fair point, you didn't behave as if it was a waste of time, you behaved as if it was your mission to... waste your time to point out time wasters, which is a contradiction in itself, which means.. you really did it for you and not to protect nor further the purpose of this research forum.

And I think that just as you were direct enough to point out when you thought something was a waste of time, you should be temperate enough when it is pointed out to you, that your post was a source of disruption.

I think what Zzartemis quoted is very appropriate, as a large chunk of the research being done here is also pointed inwards at our behavior and how we arrive at it.

Think about it, sometimes being direct isn't the most efficient way to get your point across, in fact it may drive away from it. And there's a difference between being direct and being clear IMO.

Thank you Alejo... also, look at the forum I'm posting in...

• Forums
• Cassiopaean Sandbox
• What's on your mind

If I cant post whats on my on my mind in the "Whats on your mind" forum, then ill just not post at all.

Not a message board newb, I've owned these for more than a decade and been admin on a dozen others.

 

[Nienna]

Had no idea this was a "research forum"

Have you read the forum guidelines? If not, and they have been linked to in the Welcome posts and you should have had the opportunity to read them when you signed up to be a member of this forum, you can read them here. It will give you an idea of what this forum is about. Maybe others would benefit from re-reading them, too.

 

[T.C.]

Maybe others would benefit from re-reading them, too.

Point taken. Thanks, Nienna.

 

[Ben]

Thank you Alejo... also, look at the forum I'm posting in...

• Forums
• Cassiopaean Sandbox
• What's on your mind

If I cant post whats on my on my mind in the "Whats on your mind" forum, then ill just not post at all.

Not a message board newb, I've owned these for more than a decade and been admin on a dozen others.

It's a fair response, in my opinion. As has already been pointed out, this message board has its own particular purpose and rules which are intended to protect all those who use it. Everybody benefits - new members included.

I agree that benkostka was overly harsh and hopefully all can learn from this situation.

 

[Ichbee]

I suspect that it can be summarised as Fear.

Fear of:
Losing what they have
Not getting more
Not getting what they desire / think they deserve
Of missing out

Similar to the rest of us (STS), but amplified with self-entitlement & privilege so that it becomes obsessive
e.g. Rooster on the Dunghill (lording it over all others) or Pig in the Trough (consuming any & every resource they can)

It gets 'dressed-up' in different guises depending on individual proclivities /interests, but the root remains the same.
Whether it is world-domination /peace, power, sex, gold, recognition it is powered by delusion & selfishness.

I suspect we (All STS) are subject to Fear, but some of us have more constraint /knowledge than others - on occasion.

 

[Tauriel]

Sorry no Zartemis... that was the feeling I had after the rude post by someone, who had many "likes" on it.

I gave one the many 'likes' and I'm indeed learning in this thread of yours.
I'm learning where I stand in my constant battle between external and internal considering.

So thank you @Zzartemis and @Nienna for the reminder.

I agreed with @benkostka because I thought the same. But I also asked myself whether it's wise being so straight forward.

I, or I'd better say one of my 'I's' learned and likes being straight forward - praising itself for being a 'straight shooter', no hiding.
Life's already taught me that this specific attitude might often be helpful but also, in equal shares, harmful to the goal. So here comes discernment into the game as well.

The ensuing discussion including FM258's defensive reaction are very good evidence how a small disturbance can become a great learning ground.

I couldn't care less what the super rich and powerful fantasize about.
But then I already spent more that 20 years learning about their doings, traced them into their darkness and struggled long enough with what I found.
So, yes, I was only internally considering when I found your question superficial and therefore redundant.
In liking benkostka's post I followed my feeling of self righteous indignation (once again) mingled with a baseless arrogant judgement.

I also admit that I'm triggered by your (FM258's) avatar. It's just silly to come up with an opinion about you because you're clearly not Jack Nicholson but obviously my brain did judge anyway.

I'm sorry for not taking the effort and patience to explain my thoughts to your question but just went the easy way with a simple 'like'.

 

[benkostka]

So here’s the context of asking about Bill Gates on this forum and some background information to consider. Bill Gates is likely “Greenbaumed”, which means he was programmed by some seriously evil people. While no one can necessarily prove this you’ll have to take a look at the available facts about Greenbaum programming and what that means. You can read Walter Bowart’s book called Operation: Mind Control and maybe check out a few videos online on guys like Sirhan Sirhan. There’s a Harvard Psychologist who essentially proved that he’s got an alter. Here’s the video.

So after evaluating all that information, which is by the way just some of the dark subjects one will wade through by being on this forum. We can perhaps have a different context about what Bill Gates has fantasies about. Or can he have fantasies after going through that?

So sure, I wasn’t “nice” because after a while I respond that way occasionally and understand generally how it’s going to be taken and it helps me learn by watching the responses. I don’t do it to antagonize anyone intentionally, that would be trolling.

It’s a research forum, there’s some stuff you can research about Bill Gates if you choose to do that. That’s the idea here, research first and then discuss. It’s a lot of work, it’s not necessarily pleasant doing that research because some of it is very dark and uncomfortable. However, lots of us have arrived here because we would like to live in a better world, so we’re working toward that end by gaining knowledge.

 

[FM258]

I gave one the many 'likes' and I'm indeed learning in this thread of yours.
I'm learning where I stand in my constant battle between external and internal considering.

So thank you @Zzartemis and @Nienna for the reminder.

I agreed with @benkostka because I thought the same. But I also asked myself whether it's wise being so straight forward.

I, or I'd better say one of my 'I's' learned and likes being straight forward - praising itself for being a 'straight shooter', no hiding.
Life's already taught me that this specific attitude might often be helpful but also, in equal shares, harmful to the goal. So here comes discernment into the game as well.

The ensuing discussion including FM258's defensive reaction are very good evidence how a small disturbance can become a great learning ground.

I couldn't care less what the super rich and powerful fantasize about.
But then I already spent more that 20 years learning about their doings, traced them into their darkness and struggled long enough with what I found.
So, yes, I was only internally considering when I found your question superficial and therefore redundant.
In liking benkostka's post I followed my feeling of self righteous indignation (once again) mingled with a baseless arrogant judgement.

I also admit that I'm triggered by your (FM258's) avatar. It's just silly to come up with an opinion about you because you're clearly not Jack Nicholson but obviously my brain did judge anyway.

I'm sorry for not taking the effort and patience to explain my thoughts to your question but just went the easy way with a simple 'like'.

I had that feeling!! Had a few doubts while I was adding it, and your post confirms, so thank you for saying that. Not knowing me, I can see that....now you can see me how I looked as a young man...nearly 50 yrs ago.