What if the C's are 4D and 6D is a lie

realitybugll

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they are the promised help to Laura and thats how tricky they are in how they can/are able come to individuals. Refer back to session on regular polyhedra.
 

dugdeep

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If I'm understanding you correctly, this question is similar to the "What if the Cs don't exist?" question, and I think fundamentally, it doesn't matter. Since the input of the Cs are only taken as inspiration on which to do our own research, the chances of being led astray are lessened. Sure, there's some stuff that can't be researched since it lays outside of confirmable human experience, but those concepts aren't generally things that would affect decision making. For example, whether something bad happened to you on an individual level due to 4D STS interference is irrelevant since ones response is dependent on action in the nuts and bolts concrete reality we know. Working to make oneself invulnerable to "attack" is essentially the same as working to root out errors in thinking and bring oneself closer to seeing reality in a more objective sense. So whether the hyperdimensional aspect factors in or not, doesn't affect the appropriate response.

Overall, if one isn't taking what the Cs say as gospel and taking action 'because the Cs said so', whether or not they are what they say they are becomes less important. Research is the most important aspect of this group, not what the Cs say.
 

Gawan

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If I'm understanding you correctly, this question is similar to the "What if the Cs don't exist?" question, and I think fundamentally, it doesn't matter. Since the input of the Cs are only taken as inspiration on which to do our own research, the chances of being led astray are lessened. Sure, there's some stuff that can't be researched since it lays outside of confirmable human experience, but those concepts aren't generally things that would affect decision making. For example, whether something bad happened to you on an individual level due to 4D STS interference is irrelevant since ones response is dependent on action in the nuts and bolts concrete reality we know. Working to make oneself invulnerable to "attack" is essentially the same as working to root out errors in thinking and bring oneself closer to seeing reality in a more objective sense. So whether the hyperdimensional aspect factors in or not, doesn't affect the appropriate response.

Overall, if one isn't taking what the Cs say as gospel and taking action 'because the Cs said so', whether or not they are what they say they are becomes less important. Research is the most important aspect of this group, not what the Cs say.
I agree and I think this is what it comes down to: That we learn our own karmic lessons here on earth and that we learn to network and to use our brains as good as we can. With that we need a network of people who have a similar aim because we are full of thinking errors and only a network of these people can point them out.

Anyway as nicklebleu already asked, it would be good when you could give some references and elaborate a bit more.
 

Weontv

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Anyone who has gone through the full transformation process and understands the universal hierarchy does not need anyone to prove or disprove anything. That's how this stuff works, it manifests itself in to your being like the pieces of a puzzle fitting together and completely shatters your prior perception/delusion until you eventually get yourself in to a state where you see that what the C's have presented here is true by default, quite literally impossible to not be truthful.

I think this is why they regularly suggest not to diefy them and to make sure we do all the work ourselves, because they are not trying to "prove" anything to anyone, they are offering us a tool in which we can augment ourselves into a higher echelon of awareness so that we can figure these things out for ourselves. Priming us for the ascension process, if you will.

One of the most obvious giveaways that this is not in fact 4th density STS is the fact that this information has augmented thousands of people's awareness and helped them become healthier, more aware, and prepared for the next density. Compare this work to other channelings where there may have been small kernels of truths heavily cloaked in a web of lies or misinformation.

I seriously do not mean any offence by this, but I think you just need to continue learning and go through the phases of unveiling your awareness, for me it wasn't until I had read the Ra transcripts as well as the C's transcripts that I really began to get a very strong understanding of how this all worked(not that I have it all figured out, mind you.. still an incredible amount of work to do).
 

goyacobol

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"What if the C's are 4D and 6D is a lie" ?

Then I don't think you can count on 4D being there either since it was the Cs who gave Laura the 1D through 7D concept. Without more specific examples to build a case for your theory that the Cs are 4D and 6D is a lie, it is difficult to understand why you think this question is important. Do you mean there is no 6D or that the Cs are not 6D?

In the end no one is asking or telling you what to believe.
 

Azur

The Living Force
Anyone who has gone through the full transformation process and understands the universal hierarchy does not need anyone to prove or disprove anything. That's how this stuff works, it manifests itself in to your being like the pieces of a puzzle fitting together and completely shatters your prior perception/delusion until you eventually get yourself in to a state where you see that what the C's have presented here is true by default, quite literally impossible to not be truthful.

I think this is why they regularly suggest not to diefy them and to make sure we do all the work ourselves, because they are not trying to "prove" anything to anyone, they are offering us a tool in which we can augment ourselves into a higher echelon of awareness so that we can figure these things out for ourselves. Priming us for the ascension process, if you will.

One of the most obvious giveaways that this is not in fact 4th density STS is the fact that this information has augmented thousands of people's awareness and helped them become healthier, more aware, and prepared for the next density. Compare this work to other channelings where there may have been small kernels of truths heavily cloaked in a web of lies or misinformation.

I seriously do not mean any offence by this, but I think you just need to continue learning and go through the phases of unveiling your awareness, for me it wasn't until I had read the Ra transcripts as well as the C's transcripts that I really began to get a very strong understanding of how this all worked(not that I have it all figured out, mind you.. still an incredible amount of work to do).

Have you read "The Zelator"? It's a fantastic waste of time.
 

goyacobol

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Have you read "The Zelator"? It's a fantastic waste of time.
How does that add to Weontv's post or this thread? Why would you expect everyone to have read what you read and then make no comment on others just said? It's like saying their ideas are a waste of time. It's not a very externally considerate way to think if you ask me.

Instead of a one liner you could give some examples from The Zealator and compare it to what Weontv said.
 

Laura

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Azur, I don't think I would say that "The Zelator" is a "fantastic waste of time" - I got a lot out of it in terms of ideas even if I didn't believe for a minute the story those ideas were set in. Even wrote a chapter of The Wave about it. Are you referring to that?
 

IronFloyd

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right now im typing with one hand. when i'm alone and can voice type I may add more, apologize.
We are already on wednesday and are you still typing with one hand? whatever...

What if the C's are 4D and 6D is a lie?

Well, as you have been told you, nothing happens, because even if the C's don't exist, the only thing that counts is the greater or less impeccability of our actions in this world and with the people that around us.

I infer from your words that you are looking for a kind of "space brotherhood" outside of you, that they will come to save you, without making any effort, and you seek to be comforted or convinced (in a bit troll way) that the C's do exist in 6D, or whatever.

Unfortunately I think that the C's for the people who are under that comfortable attitude, effectively do not exist, nor will they exist... in 6D, 4D or nothing... but well, if they exist, they will not to save you from nothing either. Greetings.
 

Carl

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I think the poster is not serious at all but for the benefit of anyone else who stumbles on this, it's obviously a thought many of us have had. But considering the idea of the existence of 4d / 6d within a 7 density structure mostly came from the C's, this is a moot point.

What if the Earth is flat? What if there is no further reality at all and the materialists are right? Nobody knows with 100% certainty but It shouldn't change the way you act or the sources you can take inspiration from.

Plus the C's track record has been pretty impressive.
 

SlipNet

Jedi
I've got to be honest I've had this thought before, way back in the mid 00's I think. In my usual laconic way, I filed the thought away with a bit of a shrug and thought "what does it change for me anyway?". I also thought at one point we were living on a "Dark City" style alien planetoid, but again I just thought "meh, what does it change for me?". It's always a good thing to question things, and although I hold them in high esteem I don't think the C's comments should be taken as gospel.

Knowing that the world is a very dark place with psychopaths, alien inteference, and an absence of an intervening God can make things seem very bleak but I see the C's as a crucial point of light. Some of the session info has been mind blowing for me, and provides plenty of impetus for further reading and research.

I'm reading High Strangeness and The Eighth Tower at the moment, so densities are on my mind a fair bit. The way I currently see it is that the 7 density concept is a good one and I'm happy to work with it in understanding how things are. And, like Carl mentioned above, the track record of the C's is something else really.
 

Nienna

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I agree with others. Whether the Cs are "real" or not doesn't really matter to me. And, because of Laura's mode of operation in that the Cs experiment is 10% inspiration and 90% perspiration in doing the research that the Cs continually prompted her to do (and us to do by extension) Laura has made available research that, if one wants to, helps us to become a better person; and, also, to start to see things as they really are (including ourselves). That's quite the accomplishment!

And, as also mentioned, the Cs' track record is quite impressive!

So, whether they are real, or not; whether they are 4D instead of 6D - well, to me, that's a moot point as there is so much to benefit from by reading the recommended material that Laura has graciously suggested to us helps us to become better people and better equipped to see reality as it is. As I said, that's quite the accomplishment!
 

Woodsman

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What if the C's are 4D and 6D is a lie
Your question is perfectly valid; At its core, "Can I Trust This Influence?" is a healthy thing to ask, and it is a question everybody here has spent time coming to terms with. Some of the ideas detailed below helped me in that process. Maybe they can help you...

Think of it this way:

Your particular question is a problem of circular logic. The C's are the ones who introduced the concept of Densities in the first place.

If you believe that concept is a truthful measure of reality, but also believe that they are lying about their position within that same hierarchy, then your belief system is dissonant. If they are liars, then the whole system must be treated as suspect.

If the whole system is suspect, then how do you reduce uncertainty?

You might ask these questions...

If the presumed goal is to misinform in order to slow or outright prevent potential soul growth in people, then the optimal approach would be to provide either no information at all, or enough misdirection to weaken people. As information has been provided, and if the assumption is that it is designed to mislead, then you can measure the effectiveness of that attack by looking at its results. There have been 20 years of practice in what might be called the C's system, enough data points to enable a reasonably strong deduction. That is fortunate for you. In the beginning it was much more difficult.

If the C's are misinformation agents, then they have done a very poor job. I have watched over the last 20 years as people have grown strong, capable, knowledgable and wise under this system, with no end in sight of that trend.

Example:

Under the C's influence, seekers have learned and self-taught that absolute foundations are vital when trying to grow. As such, diet and health have been given enormous, primary focus and energy, with the objective result being that people have become strong and capable and wise, able to tackle the more refined concepts in a way which is not haphazard and self-defeating.

If the goal is to weaken and to mislead, then this was a tactical error, -one inconsistent with the practices of other groups revealed to have been psyops.

The C's also strongly suggest that seekers do their own external research and problem solving, and lots of it, expressly because doing so is the very process by which minds grow strong and capable, -and key- able to discern truth from lies.

This practice has also returned objectively positive benefits. -And it is one which also builds the very tools required to detect if the C's are lying. Regularly promoting such a practice would again be a tactical error for the prospective psyops agent.

As well, baked right into the practice itself, are regular warnings to not take the C's verbatim, to recognize that message corruption is not only possible, but probable, making it incumbent on the seeker to research by exploring information from third parties, to fact check, to do the demanding work required to suss out truth from lies. How many other systems insist on this? Are there any tracts within the bible, for instance, which urge readers to hold the very documents upon which it is based to high critical standards, to say, point blank, that some of the information in its own pages might be wrong and that the only way to know for sure is to leave the embrace of the system, to go into the world and use the tools and information provided by other systems not under its control, and to use those tools to perform critical analysis upon itself?

In short, the C's system has a built-in truth filter. It tells you to test it using whatever means you are able to come up with, to not trust it until you are satisfied. And to remain vigilant. That in the end, your level of awareness it is up to you.

These points, from what I can tell, are fairly unique across the world of esoteric practices.

I hope that provides some assistance in your own quest.
 
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