What is happening with China's decrease in population?

I think it is a general problem and one of the unpleasant sides of YouTube: Sensationalism creates views and income from YT.

Some people don't stop anywhere. Last year I watched a "breaking news" type video about the death of one of my favorite singers. She is still alive!
One of my leftists friends did provide me with some useful wisdom that I couldn't deny. Sensationalism and negative news attracts clicks in social media which equals more money. That's why it's doom and gloom everywhere online 😂
 
It is difficult to get good information about whats happening in China since the government is so secretive, whats going on there? It's claimed the population is approximately 1.3 billion but the actual number is about 800 million now it's said. In this video it shows the many deserted rural villages and the idea is all these people have moved to the cities for opportunities but looking at these cities it seems the population has greatly decreased in the last few years. There are no bustling crowds and malls and shops are empty, where did the people go is asked by shop owners, everything has changed.
Making macro trend statement with micro examples can be tricky. It is understandable, if the kids are moving to cities to avoid the unattractive toiling in the fields. There is no date to the video footage where city people are saying 'Where are people?' though roads and buildings are clean. If the city video footage is from covid times, it was common scene even in US cities.

Looking at the data, Chinese fertility rate dropped below replacement rate of 2.1% in early 1990's.
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Chinese population peaks at 2021 and starts decreasing later
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i.e. decrease is expected due to 30 years of low fertility rate ( early 1990's ) assuming average age of fertility at 25 years. But In between Covid came and as usual population is subjected to vaccine whether it is MRNA or not. But most of the Chinese vaccine is non-MRNA and it is dead/semi-dead virus injected into the body hoping for body's immune system to fight back. If body fails to counter it, persons will have issues.
Did the C-19 kill many more people then the people are being told since such numbers would panic people, is asked. China's one child policy has now become a serious problem with incentives for people to have more children but this is a more recent occurrence in the last few years it seems.

If this video is to long to post please format it in a different way since I don't know how to do that. I understand there are concerns about such posts here. It's 16 minutes long, not to bad. Thanks


What gives suspicion for me is more foot traffic when there are 1.2 billion people (instead of current supposed 1.4 billion) and salt consumption data. Grok estimations ( we don't know what parameters given for the estimation):
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Here we have at least 3 numbers.
  • Officially 1.4 billion reducing few million a year (drop in ocean for now)
  • Based on ID card number issued: around 1 billion ( after adding approximate children below 16 years )
  • Based on Salt consumption data: 800 million
Again, we don't know how the salt consumption data is collected and interpreted. WHO recommends 5g/day, but Chinese consistently consumed around 10 grams . Patterns vary from North China to South China.

Salt intake in China among highest in the world for the past 4 decades​

Date: July 11, 2019
Source: Queen Mary University of London
Summary: Salt intake in China is confirmed to be among the highest in the world, with adults over the past four decades consistently consuming on average above 10g of salt a day, which is more than twice the recommended limit, according to new research.

Salt intake in China is confirmed to be among the highest in the world, with adults over the past four decades consistently consuming on average above 10g of salt a day, which is more than twice the recommended limit, according to new research led by Queen Mary University of London.

The systematic review and meta-analysis, funded by the National Institute for Health Research and published in the Journal of the American Heart Association, also found that Chinese children aged 3-6 are eating the maximum amount of salt recommended by the World Health Organization for adults (5g a day) while older children eat almost 9g/day.

Excess salt intake raises blood pressure, a major cause of strokes and heart disease, which accounts for approximately 40 per cent of deaths in the Chinese population.

The team reviewed all data ever published on salt intake in China (which involved about 900 children and 26,000 adults across the country) and found that salt intake has been consistently high over the past four decades, with a North-South divide.

While salt intake in northern China is among the highest in the world (11.2g a day) it has been declining since the 1980s when it was 12.8g a day, and most markedly since the 2000s. This could be the result of both governmental efforts in salt awareness education and the lessened reliance on pickled food -- owing to a greater year-round availability of vegetables.

However, this trend of decrease was not seen in southern China, which has vastly increased from 8.8g a day in the 1980s to 10.2g a day in the 2010s. This could be due to governmental efforts being mitigated by the growing consumption of processed foods and out-of-home meals. These latest results contradict those of previous studies based on less robust data which reported declines in salt intake across the country.

Potassium, which is naturally found in fruits and vegetables, and is in potassium salt, has the opposite effect of sodium (salt) on blood pressure: while sodium increases blood pressure, potassium lowers it.

The researchers reviewed potassium intake and found that in contrast to salt intake, it has been consistently low throughout China for the past four decades, with individuals of all age groups consuming less than half the recommended minimum intakes.

Lead author Monique Tan from Queen Mary University of London said: "Urgent action is needed in China to speed up salt reduction and increase potassium intake. High blood pressure in childhood tracks into adulthood, leading to cardiovascular disease. If you eat more salt whilst you are young, you are more likely to eat more salt as an adult, and to have higher blood pressure. These incredibly high salt, and low potassium, figures are deeply concerning for the future health of the Chinese population."

Feng J He, Professor of Global Health Research at Queen Mary University of London and Deputy Director of Action on Salt China, added: "Salt intake in northern China declined, but is still over double the maximum intake recommended by the WHO, while salt intake actually increased in southern China. Most of the salt consumed in China comes from the salt added by the consumers themselves while cooking. However, there is now a rapid increase in the consumption of processed foods and of food from street markets, restaurants, and fast food chains, and this must be addressed before the hard-won declines are offset."

Graham MacGregor, Professor of Cardiovascular Medicine at Queen Mary University of London and Director of Action on Salt China said: "A coherent, workable, and nationwide strategy is urgently needed in China. As much as a fifth of the world's population lives in China. Achieving salt reduction together with increasing potassium intake across the country would result in an enormous benefit for global health."

The trends found in this latest study partially contradict those of earlier studies which found large declines of salt intake across the whole of China. The researchers say these latest results are far more robust than the previous estimates which have relied on surveys of people's dietary habits. The team instead determined salt intake exclusively with the use of data from urine samples taken over a 24 hour period.

Salt intake assessed by dietary methods is unreliable because most of the salt in the Chinese diet comes from the salt added during home cooking or in sauces, which is highly variable and difficult to quantify. Furthermore, processed and out-of-home foods are increasingly consumed but their salt content tends to be inaccurately reported in food composition tables.
So we have many variables : North vs south China, processed food vs home made food, covid lockdowns( probability of eating processed food is high, so high salt consumption), non-MRNA induced condition, people moving concentrated cities where control is easier etc.

I am not sure whether more salt intake contribute for heart attack and high blood pressure or not. I heard high blood pressure due to high salt intake though.

Recently, C's confirmed that population numbers in the Western countries is also different than published numbers. In the case of Western countries, they omitted large undocumented members, thus published lesser number. So If China had published different number, it is no surprise. In the case of China, they have to keep high number due to economy and geo political projections.

Added to that, world is at a stage of 'Blessed are dead' and souls choosing to leave. In a way, it is like a perfect storm for China.

Given the high handedness in social enforcements of the secretive Government directives and the gigantic task of vaccinating 1.4 billion people in hurry (blame uncle Sam), the probability of something going wrong is very high. Is that what happened? I mean 100's of millions dying ( as high as 400 million). Hard to believe, but we never know.
 
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Ra's material touches on the subject of the reproductive instinct and also gives an explanation for the increase in cases of homosexuality (this could explain the cause of a certain percentage of cases). Add to this the difficulties of modern life and the general mental stress of the population:
31.8 Questioner: We have what seems to be an increasing number of entities incarnate here now who have what is called a homosexual orientation in this respect. Could you explain and expand upon that concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Entities of this condition experience a great deal of distortion due to the fact that they have experienced many incarnations as biological male and as biological female. This would not suggest what you call homosexuality in an active phase were it not for the difficult vibratory condition of your planetary sphere. There is what you may call great aura infringement among your crowded urban areas in your more populous countries, as you call portions of your planetary surface. Under these conditions the confusions will occur.

31.9 Questioner: Why does density of population create these confusions?

Ra: I am Ra. The bisexual reproductive urge has as its goal, not only the simple reproductive function, but more especially the desire to serve others being awakened by this activity.
In an over-crowded situation where each mind/body/spirit complex is under a constant bombardment from other-selves it is understandable that those who are especially sensitive would not feel the desire to be of service to other-selves. This also would increase the probability of a lack of desire or a blockage of the red-ray reproductive energy.
In an uncrowded atmosphere this same entity would, through the stimulus of feeling the solitude about it, then have much more desire to seek out someone to whom it may be of service thus regularizing the sexual reproductive function.
 
I think if I lived in China I'd move to one of these deserted rural towns with a few very old people and grow a garden.... These cities look uninhabitable to me. To big, to glitzy, to noisy, to crowded. Microwaved domes.

:lol: yep! Just saw this and thought it was perfect I had to post......such a diametrically opposed philosophy of life. Weird person I am.

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I tried to look for more information related to Chinese population, not much available except from some anti-Chinese sources. China observer is one (thread opener video is from them) and there is another woman on X (Lei's Real Talk). she has some interesting video's. In this video she mentioned her methodology or really thought process.

Here is another video and It is an interaction between 33 yr old childless unmarried car salesman and Chinese Birth promotional officer demanding to have 5 children and feed them under the threat of destroying his house.

Further searching, this question (inflated Chinese population numbers) exist for at least a decade here and there on the net. Unfortunately, no body knows. There are others who calculated using different methods like satellite pictures in night etc. comparing it to other countries and their GDP etc. Some goes as far as claiming GDP over projections here .

This reminded me C's comments on population. They gave "some" numbers at least 3 times.

1997 (Mainstream- 5.94 billion world population and in which Chinese were 1.23 billion)
Q: Why is it that when one tries to extricate from such a "tango," why is there is such violent resistance to letting you go when it is obvious, clearly obvious, that they do not have any feeling for you as a human being?

A: It is not "they." We are talking about conduits of attack.

Q: What is it that makes them susceptible to becoming conduits of attack?

A: All STS are candidates for this. There are only about 6 billion of you though.
2001 (6.25 billion Main stream - 1.276 billion Chinese)
Q: (A) Oui. Je t'aime. (L) Je ne parle. Okay. So we're going to move to France and do more work?

A: U 5.

Q: "U 5?!" Us and the three kids?

A: 8835 million.

Q: (A) What does that mean? (L) Hmm. Do you have any particular messages tonight? To warm up our connection?

A: Hope and glory is coming close!
2013 ( 7 billion Main stream - 1.36 billion Chinese)
Q: (L) Next question: Can you tell us since we have been wondering about the actual counts that have been giving to us, what is the exact living population on the planet of human beings, or human-looking beings, including psychopaths, people with various personality disorders? (Kniall) Humanoids? (L) The basic human-looking group?

A: 835543653... close enough in billions, there are transitions in process.

Q: (Perceval) 8.35 billion? (Multiple people) No... (Mr. Scott) They left off the last digit, and then said close enough in billions. They were down to the 1's digit, and obviously there are people being born, abducted, dying, so you don't get an exact number because that's not possible. (L) Yeah, it's like people are being born and it's moving as they're looking at it. (Mr. Scott) The fact that they got to the 10's digit was pretty impressive! (Ailen) Well, we did ask for an exact number. (L) We did ask! They were trying. (Kniall) That means the people who come up with the numbers have NO idea... They think it's like 7 billion people. (L) Are there any large numbers of people underground?
If there are supposed to be 8.35 billion in 2013, Chinese must have that population as they claim at that time? Still we are left with mystery of demography of extra ( 8.35 - 7 billion) 1.35 billion people.

The most of these 'Where did people go' videos from Shanghai and other big cities are recent one's since 2020 and as later as 2025. Given that, cleansing is supposed to start or had started, I was wondering about these 2 questions.
  • how many really died in China during Covid time?
  • What is current Chinese population?
 
For me it looks like purpose of the film was to create a narrative where there is huge population drop.
One of reasons may be that world will be accustomed to such population drops when they really happen.

Abandoned cities?
In many cases there is nothing mysterious about a city suddenly being abandoned.
Some towns have only one factory where almost all the residents work. If such a place goes bankrupt, the talented workers will move to a company in another town, and with the decline it will not be profitable to maintain nearby shops - so only those who can produce food themselves will remain.
Area around abandoned towns may be fertile enough to sustain 200 families, but not fertile enough for bigger farmers to invest into such land.

Empty roads?
  • Just like people before me have said - recordings could have been made during covid times.
  • They did record after/before pandemic, but during or after some important events (for example the morning after New Year's or some sport championship: maybe ping pong)
Empty stores?
  • some people are buying more and more online
  • some people live in apartment blocks where the first floors provide most of the necessary services, so residents may not need to leave their apartment blocks
  • some sellers lost their regular customers due their own fault

Salt consumption?
Not sharing crematoriums information?
  • If population drop was huge - western media would use such data to write articles about that country incompetence.
  • If population drop is average - hiding that information just in case so that next time they won't share such information won't leave place for assumptions "it is not average this time"
  • If population was small - they may keep that information hidden, so that some enemies will wishfully believe that China may be weaker than it is
Of course population may be aging and some countries react to reality faster than others, so programs to make people have more kids aren't something that is enough of a proof that they could recently lost many millions, also they may want to increase population in case of war, so that after such war there would be enough young people for their country to recover.
 
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I don't think using chatGpt is a valid methodology, especially to make any kind of a calculation. It fails at simple linear calculations, let alone complex statistical multivariate nonlinear calculations using undisclosed models. However, there is a population problem, in China and everywhere indeed. Even if one takes into account the "official" numbers and projections, one gets this for China:
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According to this plot, the decline in China's population is everything but inevitable, and It already started. Whatever the number today (less than 1.4 billions, more than 1.4 billions) the problem is the trajectory.
Here is the population pyramid:
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There aren't many kids to to replace the working adults, when the bars move upwards (the kids enter the work market and the adults retire).


India:
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According to this model, India's population may peak around 2060, but it also may continue to grow and do so later.
The population pyramid shows a less drastic lack of kids (maybe they'll all become bigtech slaves in silicon valley or Canada):
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The counting may be off, and the models may not be precise, and they certainly cannot predict black swan events like catastrophes, wars, release of bio-weapons, economic collapses, vaccinations, etc. But it's clear that China is already not the most populated country in the world, and the population crisis is only at its beginning.
However, abandoned villages is normal in a rapidly urbanizing society, a population collapse only accelerates it further.
 
This should also be taken into account. I'm not sure if this topic has been discussed previously / if you are aware of this trend:

Inside China's ghost cities | 60 Minutes Australia

In 2013, 60 Minutes visited China's eerie ghost towns. An entire city - all the buildings, the roads, schools, hospitals, you name it - except the people. There is not a soul to be seen.

(...) driving development on a scale the world has never seen.
it's estimated that in the next decade, 350 million people will leave the land for the city
entire cities emerge seemingly out of nowhere
New city called Lingam, 1h drive from Shanghai built for 1 million people (but completely vacant)


Accoring to AI google:

You might be referring to Lingang New City (临港新城), now known as Nanhui New City (南汇新城), a planned city in the Pudong New Area of Shanghai, China

  • Lingang/Nanhui New City: This planned city was built in the Pudong New Area of Shanghai.
  • Initial Vision: The city was initially designed to house a large population and attract tourists, but faced challenges in attracting residents and becoming fully functional.
  • Current Status: While it was once considered a "ghost city," Nanhui New City is now a functioning urban area with a vibrant downtown area, shops, restaurants, and a population approaching 100,000 people.
 
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