What you think about June 26 2011

[Joe]

I'm amazed that this discussion keep going after the first few posts, and this one in particular:

Just a general comment that predictions like these - tied to a specific date - have an abysmal track record. In fact, one sure sign (from my perspective) that a prediction is fear mongering is that it mentions a specific date. What I do find astonishing is how easily the human mind is led along when fear is involved.

But Tonosama and Pashalis just wouldn't leave it alone. They WANTED to believe! Jeez. And all of it based on what? The imagination of some youtube looper?

As for Tonosama's private exchanges with Pasahalis; maybe I should create a web site containing all sorts of lies and defamation about Tonosama and then spread it around. See how he likes it...

I won't of course, but it would be very easy to do. Apparently Tonosama does not realise this, and apparently he is very easily manipulated by nasty people with an agenda. Maybe like those June 26 2011 people...

 

[Kaigen]

I'm amazed that this discussion keep going after the first few posts, and this one in particular:

Just a general comment that predictions like these - tied to a specific date - have an abysmal track record. In fact, one sure sign (from my perspective) that a prediction is fear mongering is that it mentions a specific date. What I do find astonishing is how easily the human mind is led along when fear is involved.

But Tonosama and Pashalis just wouldn't leave it alone. They WANTED to believe! Jeez. And all of it based on what? The imagination of some youtube looper?

Sorry perceval, I never said that I believe in it.
I started this tread with a question as many of you did. Just to stamp it as a dis-info or maybe not.

 

[anart]

I won't of course, but it would be very easy to do. Apparently Tonosama does not realise this, and apparently he is very easily manipulated by nasty people with an agenda. Maybe like those June 26 2011 people...

Or perhaps he's here with an agenda?

 

[Laura]

I'm amazed that this discussion keep going after the first few posts, and this one in particular:

Just a general comment that predictions like these - tied to a specific date - have an abysmal track record. In fact, one sure sign (from my perspective) that a prediction is fear mongering is that it mentions a specific date. What I do find astonishing is how easily the human mind is led along when fear is involved.

Me too. It's stuff like this that really brings home how much people's brains have been turned into tapioca.

But Tonosama and Pashalis just wouldn't leave it alone. They WANTED to believe! Jeez. And all of it based on what? The imagination of some youtube looper?

Well, we are certainly entitled to speculate, based on the evidence of this thread, that Tonosama and Pashalis may very well be COINTELPRO agents planted on this forum to try to persuade people that such nonsense is real, create a panic, and get vulnerable people to act stupid.

There's certainly as much evidence for that as there is evidence for this scenario that has been created here.

As for Tonosama's private exchanges with Pasahalis; maybe I should create a web site containing all sorts of lies and defamation about Tonosama and then spread it around. See how he likes it...

I won't of course, but it would be very easy to do. Apparently Tonosama does not realise this, and apparently he is very easily manipulated by nasty people with an agenda. Maybe like those June 26 2011 people...

And then he comes here trying to drum up support for his delusions.

Well, we have just 4 days to wait and see.

 

[Cosmos]

Well, we are certainly entitled to speculate, based on the evidence of this thread, that Tonosama and Pashalis may very well be COINTELPRO agents planted on this forum to try to persuade people that such nonsense is real, create a panic, and get vulnerable people to act stupid.

I'm very sad to hear that you think that way about me. I could cry.
I was triggert by this website my emotions ran wild.
I don't know what to say anymore

 

[ana]

tonosama, Can you perhaps explain what motivated you to do this?

then you sended me the next PM were you told me that you found a block that portray Laura as a fraud (with no explanation from your part)

 

[Kaigen]

tonosama, Can you perhaps explain what motivated you to do this?

then you sended me the next PM were you told me that you found a block that portray Laura as a fraud (with no explanation from your part)

since three hours I trying to write explanation for all this misunderstanding, but so much happens. give me mor 10 minutes and I post. :(

 

[Kaigen]

Hi Laura, hi Pashalis, this is now going to get worst so I have to clarify.
I was new to the forum and I was a beat shay. there was much going on with the site
http://cassiopaea-cult.com/ so it was interesting how many people are going against Laura and Cs
I was checking the Internet for German sites. I found one but it was all in German so I couldn't
bring it here in Forum without translating. I was trying to ask another member (pashalis) first, if it was something to talk about.

Heute habe ich beim suchen im Internet einen Blog entdeckt der Laura als Betrügerin darstellt.
_http://stevenblack.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/gottliche-wurfelspiele/

Today I have found on the Internet a Blog explains Laura as a swindler.
_http://stevenblack.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/gottliche-wurfelspiele/

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Steven
4. Juni 2009 11:21

Hi Silvio,Sorry, nur weil ich heute die Dame als Betrügerin "entlarvt" habe, schmälert das nicht die Arbeit anderer Leute. Es sieht so aus, als ob sie manipuliert wird und selber glaubt was sie sagt, das kann sehr wohl sein, wie Sheldan Nidle, und unzählige andere. Ich hätte wirklich besser aufpassen sollen!

Steven
4. Juni 2009 11:21

Hi Silvio, Sorry, only because I have "exposed" today the lady as a swindler does not curtail this the work of other people. It looks in such a way, as if it is manipulated and believes what she says, this can be very well, like Sheldan Nidle, and countless other. I should have paid attention really better!

I thought that this Steven is running this site. stevenblack.wordpress.com


I see I should always concentrate on the forum not checking sites or RSS news with such of informations or like this tread.
This is to be honest big lesson for me, and i have to think about what did I wrong. I have to learn a lot, to be here for about 10 months is indeed not enough. Sorry pashalis that I brought you in this. Sorry to all for misunderstanding, I see also that my English is not enough to participate in such scale.


Mod's note: Links deactivated

 

[ana]

I was checking the Internet for German sites. I found one but it was all in German so I couldn't bring it here in Forum without translating. I was trying to ask another member (pashalis) first, if it was something to talk about.

If you were trying to find guidance regarding how to act after finding this site, How is it that when Pashalis asked you about it more specifically you didn't tell him the above?

then you sended me the next PM were you told me that you found a block that portray Laura as a fraud with no explanation from your part)
then I answered: "what exactly are you trying to tell me? and why don't you adress this in the forum instead of doing it behind the back of the others ?"
then again a Emotional answer came back where you told me: "alack that again.I don't have the time to translate all into english. what I was trying to communicate I did. if that was not undestood, then I'm sorry......".

 

[Chu]

Hi Laura, hi Pashalis, this is now going to get worst so I have to clarify.
I was new to the forum and I was a beat shay. there was much going on with the site
http://cassiopaea-cult.com/ so it was interesting how many people are going against Laura and Cs
I was checking the Internet for German sites. I found one but it was all in German so I couldn't
bring it here in Forum without translating.

There is a German section on the forum for that kind of problems, and I think you know that.

I was trying to ask another member (pashalis) first, if it was something to talk about.

Why pashalis and not a moderator? Data, for example, is a German speaker too.

I see also that my English is not enough to participate in such scale.

Your English is quite good, actually.

So you might want to be a bit more honest next time and tell us exactly what those German posts did to you, and why you decided to contact pashalis. It is OK to have doubts, just don't think you'll get away with blatant lies here. It would be much better if you just tried to tell the truth, which might allow you to actually learn more about yourself AND the people who wrote those posts, assuming you are honest about wanting to be on this forum.

 

[Gawan]

I have also something to add. On 23rd February 2011 Tonosama wrote me also an email, over the trans group, where was a minor discussion in the transgroup:

Hallo hier ist Tonosama.
Grüße dich.

Also es ist Wahr das keine Seite existiert mit der Deutsche Übersetzung.
Wird es überhaupt diskutiert? Ob so ein Projekt entstehen soll?
Oder eher zu große Aufwand?
Ich habe überhaupt keine Ahnung wie viele Deutsche Übersetzer in der Gruppe ist, im Moment. Weißt Du wahrscheinlich auch nicht?
Ich hoffe das Du nicht böse bist das ich hier zu dir schreibe.

Grüße Tonosama

Hello here is Tonosama.
Greetings.

So it is true, that there exist no German site with translations.
Is it at all discussed? If such a project should come up?
Or just too much of a harass?
I have absolutely no plan how many German translators are in the group at the moment. Presumably you don't know it yourself?
I hope that you are not angry with me, that I'm writing to you.

Greeting Tonosama.

This suggests that you have been already aware that it is not recommened writing messages at this point in time. Speaking of February here.

My response:

Hallo Tonosama,

> Ich hoffe das Du nicht böse bist das ich hier zu dir schreibe.

Böse nicht, es ist nur nicht der offizielle Weg der Kommunikation und wird zu unserer eigenen Sicherheit nicht empfohlen (aus den Erfahrungen resultierend der letzten Jahre), schau mal hier:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=11216.0


Du kannst deine Fragen ja noch einmal in der Diskussionsgruppe aufbringen, wenn du möchtest.


Grüße zurück,

Legolas.

Hello Tonosama,
>I hope that you are not angry with me, that I'm writing to you.

Not angry, but it is not the official way of communicating and for our own safety it is not recommended (out the experiences in the last years), have a look here:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=11216.0

You can post your questions in the discussion group again, if you like.

Greeting,

Legolas

At this point in time Tonosama, you got a link to a topic on the forum here and still continued to write personal messages. Which I find odd. It looks like if you have been looking for someone you could discuss with.

 

[Possibility of Being]

I was checking the Internet for German sites. I found one but it was all in German so I couldn't
bring it here in Forum without translating. I was trying to ask another member (pashalis) first, if it was something to talk about.

Sorry tonosama, I don't buy it. Why have you chosen Pashalis who was relatively new to this forum? Had you really been genuine and concerned wouldn't you have rather posted on the German board or contacted Data, a German speaking moderator? You'd been in contact with him before, so I really can't understand it unless your motivation was similar to what was behind Monkey/Kate Gandolfo sending PMs to forum members.

I see I should always concentrate on the forum not checking sites or RSS news with such of informations or like this tread.

You brought up this RSS excuse before. RSS is not the same as for example google alerts. To be getting RSS feed you have to subscribe to that particular site first. So it was clearly your choice according to your interests, and not an "accident" as you keep trying to present it.

 

[Cosmos]

I write the whole conversation between us down for clarification.
It was in german. the translation is under the german text.

tonosama to me (german):

Hallo Pashalis 02.04.11

Hier ist Peter (Tonosama) von der Cs Forum. Hast Du schon dies gesehen?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=22720.msg245669#msg245669

Was denkst Du darüber ? sieht es nach einem Truthseeker aus. ich wollte ihm das Forum vorstellen aber erst sehen was die anderen dazu sagen falls überhaupt jemand etwas dazu schreibt. Ich habe ihn auf die Bosnian Pyramids aufmerksam gemacht. Er hat aber geschrieben das sie wahrscheinlich fake sind. Dann habe ich zeit lang beobachtet bis er wieder mit neuen Funden raus kam.
Aber schau es dir erst mal an vielleicht kannst Du etwas dazu sagen.
Grüße aus Japan

tonosama to me translation (english):

Hello Pashalis 02.04.11

here is Peter (Tonosama) from the C's forum. Did you see that so far ?
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=22720.msg245669#msg245669

What do you think about that ? does it look like a truthseeker ? I wanted to show him the forum but first I wanted to see what the others have to say about it, if anybody is ever writing something about it. I had draw his attention to the Bosnian Pyramids. But he wrote that he thinks that
they are probably fake.then I watched him for some time until he again came out with new findings.
but first look at it, maybe you can say something about it.
Greetings from Japan

my answer to tonosama (german):

Re:Hallo Pashalis 02.04.11

Hi Peter schön von dir zu hören.
ehrlich gesagt weis ich nicht genau was ich über ihn denken soll, ich
hab mich noch nicht so sehr mit ihm beschäftigt um eine meinung bilden zu können.

ich glaub nicht das es die beste idee währe ihn gleich auf das forum aufmerksam zu machen.
wahrscheinlich ist es das beste wenn leute aus eigenem antrieb auf das forum aufmerksam werden.

weist du ich hab das auch schon probiert.
dabei habe ich vestgestellt das es nicht viel sinn macht leute auf das forum aufmerksam zu machen die überhaupt kein verständniss über die materie haben.

desweiteren hab ich gelernt das du leute nicht zu irgendetwas drängen solltest/kannst nur weil du selber so überzeugt von der wichtigkeit des materials bist.

das forum ist so weit aus "der matrix" das es für den otto normal bürger zu fern und komisch wikt um es zu verstehen.

selbst leute die bemerkt haben das was "komisch" läuft in unserer realität und auf der suche sind, werden wahrscheinlich abgeschreckt reagieren, es total abschreiben oder noch schlimmer attackieren weil einfach der kontext und das bewusstsein fehlt um es zu verstehen.

Grüße aus Deutschland nach Japan

my answer to tonosama translation (english):

Re:Hello Pashalis 02.04.11

Hi Peter nice to hear from you.
to be honest I don't know what to think of him, I haven't yet
looked to what he's about to forge an opinion.

I don't think that it is the best idea to show him the forum right away.
probably it is the best when people find the forum through their own drive.

I tell you something, I tried such things myself.
thereby I saw that it don't make a lot of sense to force people to the forum who not have a understanding of the matter.

in addition I have learned that you can/should not force people only because you self is so convinced about the importands of the material.

the forum is so far out of "the matrix" that it will look for a normal person to far out and strange to understand it.

even people that noticed that something is strange about our reality and are searching to find an answer, will probably react deterred , depreciate it, or even worse attack it, because the context and consciousness is missing to understand it .

greetings from Germany to Japan

tonosama answer to me (german ):

Re:Hallo Pashalis 02.04.11
hmm. Ich denke nicht an drängen aber dachte an "zeigen", das so etwas auch gibt, Danach kann jeder entscheiden ob es etwas für ihn ist.

Heute habe ich beim suchen im Internet einen Blog entdeckt der Laura als Betrügerin darstellt.

_http://stevenblack.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/gottliche-wurfelspiele/

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Steven Permalink
4. Juni 2009 11:21

Hi Silvio,Sorry, nur weil ich heute die Dame als Betrügerin "entlarvt" habe, schmälert das nicht die Arbeit anderer Leute. Es sieht so aus, als ob sie manipuliert wird und selber glaubt was sie sagt, das kann sehr wohl sein, wie Sheldan Nidle, und unzählige andere. Ich hätte wirklich besser aufpassen sollen!

tonosama answer to me translation (english):

Re:Hello Pashalis 02.04.11
hmm. I don’t thought about urging, but thought I could “show” that something like this exist,
afterwards everybody can decide if it is something for them.

Today while searching I found a blog that portrays Laura as a fraud.
_http://stevenblack.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/gottliche-wurfelspiele/
Quote from the comment
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Steven Permalink
4. Juni 2009 11:21
Hi Silvio,sorry, only because I “debunked” the woman today as a fraud, doesn’t narrow the work of other people. It looks like she is manipulated and she herself believes what she is saying, that could very well be like that, just like Sheldan Nidle, and a vast number of others. I really should have been more careful about this !

my answer to tonosama (german):

? 03.04.11
Was genau willst du mir hier mitteilen ? und warum sprichst du das nicht im forum an und machst es hinter dem Rücken der anderen ?

my answer to tonosama translation (english):

? 03.04.11
what exactly are you trying to tell me? and why don't you adress this in the forum instead of doing it behind the back of the others ?

tonosama answer to me (german):

Re:? 03.04.11
Ach das wieder. Ich habe nicht die Zeit immer alles auf Englisch zu Übersetzen. Was ich mitteilen wollte habe ich schon geschrieben. Wenn das nicht verstanden worden ist , dann tut mir Leid. Habe verstanden, dein Punkt werde ich in Zukunft respektieren. Wollte einfach mit jemandem Deutsch schreiben. Hier in Japan ist man ziemlich einsam, und mit der Sicht der Welt schon so wie so.

tonosama answer to me translation (english):

Re:? 03.04.11
alack that again.I don't have the time to translate all into english. what I was trying to communicate I did. if that was not undestood, then I'm sorry. have understood. Your point I’ll respect in the future.
Just wanted to write with somebody in german language. here in Japan you are pretty lonely, and with the few of the world anyway.

last conversation between us.
(the translation is may not perfect the words concerning.
I tried to translate so that the content is as near as possible to the original in german.)

 

[Laura]

Well, we are certainly entitled to speculate, based on the evidence of this thread, that Tonosama and Pashalis may very well be COINTELPRO agents planted on this forum to try to persuade people that such nonsense is real, create a panic, and get vulnerable people to act stupid.

I'm very sad to hear that you think that way about me. I could cry.
I was triggert by this website my emotions ran wild.
I don't know what to say anymore

Pashalis, please notice my exact words. I did not say that this is how I think about you, I just pointed out that, based on the available evidence, we COULD SPECULATE thus and so. I'm trying to make a point here that all kinds of things are speculation, no more, no less.

More than that, how do you think *I* feel about being defamed??? Not just defamed by people who hate me openly because I am a threat to their games, cons and agendas, but by people who claim to be my "friend", such as Tonosama, who even created a Japanese FB page about Cassiopaea. Considering all that has come to light here, do you think I want him to represent me to anybody? Can I even trust him to accurately translate anything? And how come he has so much time to do all the other things he does, but does not have time to do the important things like learning that exactly what he has been doing is negative and detrimental and can be taken as an agenda/attack whether he intends it that way or not?

For all I know, Tonosama just has an over active moving center and he puts his body in motion before he has put his brain in gear.

In the end, the whole affair has left a very bad taste in my mouth.

 

[Cosmos]

Well, we are certainly entitled to speculate, based on the evidence of this thread, that Tonosama and Pashalis may very well be COINTELPRO agents planted on this forum to try to persuade people that such nonsense is real, create a panic, and get vulnerable people to act stupid.

I'm very sad to hear that you think that way about me. I could cry.
I was triggert by this website my emotions ran wild.
I don't know what to say anymore

Pashalis, please notice my exact words. I did not say that this is how I think about you, I just pointed out that, based on the available evidence, we COULD SPECULATE thus and so. I'm trying to make a point here that all kinds of things are speculation, no more, no less.

More than that, how do you think *I* feel about being defamed??? Not just defamed by people who hate me openly because I am a threat to their games, cons and agendas, but by people who claim to be my "friend", such as Tonosama, who even created a Japanese FB page about Cassiopaea. Considering all that has come to light here, do you think I want him to represent me to anybody? Can I even trust him to accurately translate anything? And how come he has so much time to do all the other things he does, but does not have time to do the important things like learning that exactly what he has been doing is negative and detrimental and can be taken as an agenda/attack whether he intends it that way or not?

For all I know, Tonosama just has an over active moving center and he puts his body in motion before he has put his brain in gear.

In the end, the whole affair has left a very bad taste in my mouth.

I completly understand this I think I would react the same way when people would do such stupid/evil stuff to me.
and of course of what you can see here without knowing who those people are that you have in your forum, it is clear
that you have to be very careful about anyone you don't really know (especially with understanding that there are psychopathic individuals out there who have a certain agenda to defame you and your work(the possible puppet master behind thescene not even mentioned here)).
so this whole thread, and all that has come up through it, may was a distraction from the beginning, from whomsoever, conscious or unconscious planed or not, who knows ?

as you know such things leave a bad taste on those who are innocent and honest too, and this is one of those things that leave a bad taste in my mouth too.