What's happening in Serbia

[Nević Nenad]

For those who prefer a video/audio format, here's a full summary of (as of 3 weeks ago) what has led up to the current protests/how the government has responded.

The video does appear to be slightly biased against China, but beyond that hits the main points as far as I can tell.


Hmmm, well that sounds more like a microwave weapon rather than a sound weapon (the burning sensation).
Given the the width of the beam, and the lack of sound on the video - it certainly appears to be a microwave. I don't see how a low frequency sound would have caused a burning sensation on the skin.

So, for educational purposes only, here's how to:
Defend against sound weapons - the last 5 minutes are the most interesting, because it demonstrated how to return the sound back to the source.

TL:DR - earplugs, industrially rated headphone, riot shields - and for the best combo industrial rated headphones + riot shields.

And more useful, understanding and defending against microwave weapons.

TL:DR - a wet (soaked) beach towel held Infront of you, metal plates, tinfoil (in protest signs), a riot shield with dense aluminium mesh covering.

I think its microwave. I spoke today with a man who was at the site. He was at the entrance of a supermarket, and was shielded by the concrete walls on the side of the entrance. There was calm and quiet, and then all of a sudden people started to scream and run in one direction. Later they told him that they felt burning on the skin and strange panic. He didn't heard any strange noise, but affected people said to him that they heard very loud sound like jet engine or something like that, and that came from above and that scared them.

Other friend who was in the same direction, but much further down the street, said that he didn't heard anything, but at one moment he felt unease and his heart was racing to the point that it gots him worried. He is army saper specialist and very sober and calm person, not prone to panic.

Thanks for the links! I was wondering could the metalized umbrella help? There is spray with some kind of liquid aluminium, which when applied dries off. So, if its microwave beam, aluminium should deflect it.

 

[axj]

For the Nth time, there is no more aligned government with the EU in Europe than Vutchich's.

That is simply not true and using forceful language ("For the Nth time") will not make it truer. UK, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland are all more closely aligned with the EU than Serbia.

And even among the current 9 candidate countries for joining the EU, there seems to be closer alignment with the EU in some of them, eg. Bosnia.

He sold ammunition to Ukraine in 2024. worth 800.000.000 euros. So no "friend of Russia" there.

And why do you forget that Serbia refused to impose sanctions on Russia, despite massive pressure from the West?

 

[Nević Nenad]

That is simply not true and using forceful language ("For the Nth time") will not make it truer. UK, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland are all more closely aligned with the EU than Serbia.

And even among the current 9 candidate countries for joining the EU, there seems to be closer alignment with the EU in some of them, eg. Bosnia.


And why do you forget that Serbia refused to impose sanctions on Russia, despite massive pressure from the West?

I am sorry for my abrupt reply. It was inappropriate. Actually I was just going to write you that I am sorry when I saw your reply.

For the rest you wrote on Serbia and sanctions on Russia - no. Its not like that. All you wrote is like that, in theory, but in real life not.

I hope that you will forgive me for not answering you in more depth. But all of that, I already wrote. And others too. I'm really tired of explaining how it is in real.

 

[axj]

For the rest you wrote on Serbia and sanctions on Russia - no. Its not like that. All you wrote is like that, in theory, but in real life not.

Not sanctioning Russia despite massive pressure is "real life" too. It is not black and white, and there is a lot of Western influence in Serbia too like you said.

 

[Mayb]

That is simply not true and using forceful language ("For the Nth time") will not make it truer. UK, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland are all more closely aligned with the EU than Serbia.

And even among the current 9 candidate countries for joining the EU, there seems to be closer alignment with the EU in some of them, eg. Bosnia.


And why do you forget that Serbia refused to impose sanctions on Russia, despite massive pressure from the West?

I completely understand Nenad's frustration, although I don't fully agree with the intensity of his passion. It's extremely difficult to explain to someone who hasn't lived here the challenges we’ve endured over the past 10 or even 20 years. We have a strong sense of recognizing betrayal, especially given the hardships we've faced. History has shown us time and again that we are a stubborn and proud nation, often caught at crossroads, manipulated, and exploited. Our experiences have made us highly suspicious, and we strive to avoid falling into the traps set by globalist agendas. We are dealing with very hard core domestic issues that does not have anythng with outside politic .
Here is one small "soft example" ,Belvuk case in Serbia's recent history, easy verified by searching , showcasing not only the brutality of organized crime but also the government's complicity in covering it up. Veljko Belivuk, the leader of a notorious gang, was involved in grotesque crimes, including the brutal torture and murder of victims. These criminals would often kidnap victims, subject them to unimaginable torture, such as beating them with metal rods, cutting off their limbs, and even burning their bodies to destroy evidence. The gang’s modus operandi included the use of secret locations for these gruesome acts, where victims were kept alive for as long as possible to prolong their suffering.

What makes this case even more disturbing is the revelation that Belivuk's criminal operations were protected by high-ranking government officials, including police officers and individuals close to President Aleksandar Vučić. The gang's activities were said to be used by certain political factions for personal gain, with Belivuk reportedly being involved in orchestrating violent events to further Vučić’s political agenda, using violence as a tool to intimidate and eliminate political rivals.

Despite the horrifying nature of these crimes, none of the key political figures involved have been held accountable, further fueling public outrage and distrust in the government. The Belivuk case perfectly encapsulates the toxic relationship between criminal groups and the state, leaving citizens disillusioned with the government’s inability or unwillingness to tackle corruption and organized crime.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Not sanctioning Russia despite massive pressure is "real life" too. It is not black and white, and there is a lot of Western influence in Serbia too like you said.

I'm not passionate at all, I just wrote how it is, without wrapping up. If I expect from person who is corresponding with me, to stand with his/hers arguments against mine, doesn't mean that I don't like that person. And I try to be as informed as is posible on things I wrote about.

@axj
Serbia is under total Western dominance. You are also right about sanctions on Russia, but that's just officially. Unofficially, its very much on. Before the war trade between Serbia and Russia was almost equal as trade between Serbia and EU. The channels are still open from the russian side, but not from serbian. If you want to do anything with Russia you are needed permissions, standard licences, many administrative things that state of Serbia is not going to give you. Even Putin addressed this couple of times with "we must see with our bilateral trade committees to bolster the trade".

There are goods from Russia in Serbia, but from second and third hand through Turkey. Air Serbia had two flights a day for Moscow, since march 2022. its down to one. And the ticket price went real high.

I understand that Russia needs someone like Vutchich so that they can say: there, this one didn't impose sanctions on us (only tried to steel our gas company in Serbia from us, and we didn't let him) but its not Lavrov or Dugin who lives with him in the same country - I am.

For example, Fico of Slovakia and Orban of Hungary did impose sanctions, are in the NATO, but both have better relations with Russia than Vutchich. Not to mention that they don't destroy their countries like Vutchich is his. Fico and Orban are real friends of Russia, Vutchich is not.

Russia's "love" and support for Vutchich's regime cost people of Serbia dearly in the last couple of years. They are very unfair, that's not the way to treat the nation who respect you. With "friends" like that we even don't need enemies. Couple of more supports and cries out "colored revolution!" and after Vutchich, Russia is done in Serbia also, same as the West or US.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Vutchic keeps on with his psychopathic shenanigans. Today, the government gave announcement in which they say that everyone who spreads rumour on "sonic gunn" use is going to be arrested. (so, if you don't see me, I'm in jail).

Meanwhile, after the initial shock, people are recovering and start to protest again. Vutchich's "sonic gunn" is going to turn against him, as all other he does.

Students and the professors are now ask for investigation on the "sonic gunn", and that will probably will be added to the initial demands.

Проширени ректорски колегијум УБ: Захтевамо истрагу, осуђујемо инцидент на протесту

Захтевамо од надлежних органа да без одлагања обавесте јавност о томе да ли поседују средства чија дејства могу да изазову манифестације којима смо присуствовали, а уколико их не поседују, тражимо одговор – како је дошло до њиховог неовлашћеног набављања и употребе, саопштили су са УБ

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We demand that the competent authorities inform the public without delay whether they possess the means whose effects could provoke the demonstrations we attended, and if they do not, we demand an answer - how their unauthorized acquisition and use occurred, the UB announced.

The extended Rector's Board of the University of Belgrade, on behalf of all members of their academic community, expressed its horror and concern over, as they stated in the statement, the act of violence committed on March 15 against gathered students, professors and other citizens.

The use of an unidentified weapon by unknown persons against peaceful protesters during the fifteen-minute silence caused panic and endangered the health and lives of people. Only thanks to the composure of the police and the citizens present, a larger-scale tragedy was avoided," they stated.

They state that they demand an urgent and transparent investigation, sanctioning of those responsible, and a clear guarantee that all citizens will be able to exercise their right to peaceful assembly without fear of violence.​

"We demand that the competent authorities inform the public without delay whether they possess means whose effects could provoke the demonstrations we attended. If they do not possess and/or do not use them, we demand an answer - how did the unauthorized acquisition and use of these means occur and consequently cause a general danger and endanger public safety?", they state, adding that the University of Belgrade will use all available legal means to protect its students and employees, establish responsibility and prevent future abuses.

 

[Nević Nenad]

One of the student's societies gave analysis of alleged provocations on yesterday's rally. They obviously used Google translate.

Hofmann's - petty criminals and "football supporters" used by Vutchich.

"15 minutes of silence" - vigil

At exactly 19:10, an attack was ordered in two locations with a sound cannon – towards Terazije and Nikola Pašić Square – precisely during the 15 minutes of silence. At that moment, Hofmann's troop was tasked with storming in from Prizrenska, while another group came from Takovska – wearing masks, throwing stones, and using shock grenades – to stage an attack on Pioneer Park.

The students spotted them from 200 meters away, shouted at them to take off their masks, but they, of course, charged forward. At that moment, the power was cut off in front of the Parliament, and the planned attack with stones from Pioneer Park on the protesters – using tractors – began. In a second, the student security team lit blue flares, removed their steward badges, and directed people towards Slavija and Republic Square. In a second, the square in front of the Parliament emptied, leaving the criminals alone!

Regular police officers rushed in and brought the situation under control.

The leaders were arrested, and that was it. Nothing else.

And they had already prepared weapons and stones on the rooftops. The students outsmarted them in five minutes, evacuated the people, and prevented a catastrophe. Immediately, the gendarmerie chiefs arrived and deployed troops through the darkness – from the Law Faculty to the Trade Union Hall – to protect the protesters.

This was a terrorist attack, banned by the UN, against completely peaceful protesters observing 15 minutes of silence.

 

[axj]

Do you remember the "regime snipers" who supposedly fired at protesting people before the Maidan coup in Ukraine? This sounds a lot like it.

Why would the current government attack the protesters with a sonic gun or hire groups of thugs and hooligans? Who actually benefits from this escalation?

And who exactly in these student organizations is spreading these claims and why do you believe everything they say? If there is a lot of Western influence in Serbia, student organizations organizing protests would be one of the main targets to infiltrate, influence or buy.

 

[Nević Nenad]

@axj

You didnt understand a bit of what I wrote. And obviously you didn't read through the thread. So, I'm going to left you to search on your own.

 

[axj]

I am asking questions and pointing to parallels in the past. This is a discussion forum and discussions work best without rudeness or arrogance. Didn't you just apologize for the same kind of behaviour?

So again:
- Why do you believe everything these student societies are claiming? These are often targeted first by foreign actors and you said yourself that Serbia is full of them.
- Why would the current government attack the protesters with a sonic gun or send a group of hired thugs at them? Does the government actually benefit from this escalation? Do you think they are stupid?
- Do you see the parallels between the Maidan snipers and this sonic gun now? The Maidan snipers have been pretty much confirmed as a false flag operation that was back then blamed on the government during large-scale protests.

The Maidan protests also raised many legitimate issues and a lot of the protesters were genuinely dissatisfied. However, this was used to create a Western-backed coup (by radicalizing the protesters with false flag attacks on them) - and the final results of that Western-backed coup are on display in Ukraine now.

 

[axj]

Even if your government is largely compliant with the EU, they may still want to coup it because of the somewhat pro-Russian stance. The eurocrats want totalitarian control and submission, just look at Romania.

It is also possible that they hope to create enough chaos in Serbia (and Bosnia) to eventually drag Russia into it.

In fact, the major crisis in Bosnia at the same time where the Serbian part is pitted against the rest is also highly suspicious:

Arrest warrant issued for Bosnian Serb leadership

Bosnian authorities have ordered the arrest of the leaders of Republika Srpska

www.rt.com

And regarding Bosnia, Serbia has already taken a confrontational course towards the eurocrats:

Commenting on the move, Serbian Deputy Prime Minister Aleksandar Vulin has asserted that Serbia will prevent the detention of Republika Srpska’s top officials and described the order by the Prosecutor’s Office of Bosnia and Herzegovina as a continuous attempt at revenge against Dodik.

Still another reason for a Western coup against the Serbian government.

 

[Mayb]

I am asking questions and pointing to parallels in the past. This is a discussion forum and discussions work best without rudeness or arrogance. Didn't you just apologize for the same kind of behaviour?

So again:
- Why do you believe everything these student societies are claiming? These are often targeted first by foreign actors and you said yourself that Serbia is full of them.
- Why would the current government attack the protesters with a sonic gun or send a group of hired thugs at them? Does the government actually benefit from this escalation? Do you think they are stupid?
- Do you see the parallels between the Maidan snipers and this sonic gun now? The Maidan snipers have been pretty much confirmed as a false flag operation that was back then blamed on the government during large-scale protests.

The Maidan protests also raised many legitimate issues and a lot of the protesters were genuinely dissatisfied. However, this was used to create a Western-backed coup (by radicalizing the protesters with false flag attacks on them) - and the final results of that Western-backed coup are on display in Ukraine now.

The primary reason for the scale of the last protest was not a demand for the government's replacement. While many may desire the president’s resignation, no direct calls for his departure were made. From the outset, the movement has focused on ensuring the proper functioning of institutions and addressing the influence of "local sheriffs"—either by holding them accountable or replacing them if corruption is proven. However, as tensions continue to rise, the situation could escalate in unforeseen ways

 

[Nević Nenad]

Even if your government is largely compliant with the EU, they may still want to coup it because of the somewhat pro-Russian stance. The eurocrats want totalitarian control and submission, just look at Romania.

It is also possible that they hope to create enough chaos in Serbia (and Bosnia) to eventually drag Russia into it.

In fact, the major crisis in Bosnia at the same time where the Serbian part is pitted against the rest is also highly suspicious:

Arrest warrant issued for Bosnian Serb leadership

Bosnian authorities have ordered the arrest of the leaders of Republika Srpska

www.rt.com

And regarding Bosnia, Serbia has already taken a confrontational course towards the eurocrats:


Still another reason for a Western coup against the Serbian government.

Let me try again. But this is really the last time. And it will be in short. Its very time consuming.

Serbia had its "Maidan" in 2000. Way before Ukraine and any other country. So, in 2014. we really knew everything there is to know about colored revolutions.

In 2000. the power were installed by the West. After that, happens what usually is in any other country where West installed the government. Plundering, devastation of old and strong companies - the usual thing for such situations. People were not happy, but didnt knew enough and was really divided. To calm down people of Serbia, so that they don't overthrow the government, the West installed a couple of different governments during the years. We even had nationalist one.

That lasted until 2012. with increasing people's discontent by the day.

In 2012. the West sensed that is time for shuffle again, if they don't want the real popular uprise. Since government till 2012. was democratic (fake of course) the West installed Vutchich's party, which were nationalist (fake, of course, but the West thought that Serbs love serbian nationalism and are fed up by democratic government, lets give them nationalist one).

At first it was another guy, older, lame, good for nothing, and then came younger Vutchich.

Vutchich figured out (or the West told him) that Serbs are nationalist and they love Russia and Kosovo. So, for the people of Serbia he pretended to be nationalist who loves Russia and Kosovo. But, in the same time working everything that the West wanted. He was talking that he is nationalist and that he loves Russia for the people to be calm, and behind the back colaborated with the West.

The West thought that its going to works just as it worked with their installed governments for years now.

But, the problem is that Vutchich is psychopath (its not me trying to curse on him, its doctors who gave the diagnose. It even wasn't needed, his acts show everything)

He got himself in just any type of criminal there is. Surrounding himself with more and more criminal types of people. He figured out that he can be extremely rich and powerful if he plunder the country for himself. So he did. Of course he got with the WEF gang, Deep state, you name it. Anything that helps his illusion of grandeur.

And slowly he eroded and destroyed all and any institution of state in Serbia, and replaced them with his gang members who are responsible only to him, not to the people or the state. Vutchich and his brother runs EVERYTHING in Serbia. From just all ministry departments to the last mayor and schools' head masters.

All that time he was "for Russia and Kosovo", and all that time the West was letting him do whatever he wants in Serbia if he listens to them. Which he did, even more that they told him to.

The people of Serbia were gradually learning of all of that through the years. The rise of Putin and Russia was very encouraging for them.

Vutchich mistakes were piling up through the years. People were more and more discontent and annoyed by him.

Initial ignition (lets call it like that), was shooting at one elementary school in Belgrade. People rose up. Hundreds of thousands of people were on the streets demanding justice, security, Vutchich to go. And then enters serbian fake opposition, made up from previous pro - Western governments (they made bi party system just like the one in the US). Fake opposition led people in series of fake and pointless actions, just so that people loose the interest (opposition is like security valve for the West). And people got disappointed and loose the interest.

Enter 2024. and terrible accident when 15 people died in accident on Novi Sad's railway station because of corruption. Of course the main "engineer" and racket collector was Vutchich. He is not satisfied with millions of dollars and euros anymore, he wants tens and hundreds of millions, so he must run all the schemes himself. Even that one for the reconstruction of one railway station.

People rose up again. Comes fake opposition and USAID's NGOs again to calm people down. And they almost succeeded if it wasn't for one incident.

Students from university of Novi Sad held a vigil for the dead. Then thugs from Vutchich party (his party is his army just as NSDAP and SS) beat up those students. To "calm down the situation". (if you ask why would they do that, if it doesn't go with their plans, the answer is: because how it is done in mafia style, psychopathic countries. Because criminals and psychopaths doesn't think, just do). And then "all the hell broke lose". All students were on the streets, people woke up again and joined them. Couple of professors at first, and then more and more. Students went on foot from town to town to show people that is not real what Vutchich fed them on the news.

Vutchich wanted to talk to them, but they brushed him of and said to him that its not his job to work with their demands. They want the prosecution and institutions of state to deal with their demands, not President Vutchich. They just ignored him. That got the psychopath enraged because he is all and everything in this country, HE IS ALL INSTITUTIONS, he destroyed all institutions. Meanwhile, thanks to the students, people stoped to live in fear. No one fears Vutchich and his party thugs and internet bots anymore. There were couple of situation where thugs wanted to beat people, but just got beaten up by people themselves.

So, NO ONE WANTS VUTCHICH TO RESIGN, no one is interested in Russia, Ukraine, east or west, or any other geopolitical matter. Students and people just wants the countries institutions in their own country to do their job, so that they can live normal lifes.

Of course there were influences from the West, maybe from the East, but Serbs concluded general agreement to put all that aside until this situation is resolved (and by the consequence of that, actually got their independence and sovereignty back in their hands and reinstituted them as a nation).

Everyone at this moment are fighting for Serbia, future and each other. They will fight between each other later (its more or less unofficial national sport anyway).

So, every party, faction and individual are under the students lead voluntarily. The situation that didn't happen since world war one.

No party, other countrie's or any other flags, insignias or ideas permitted, only serbian flag, coat of armor and songs. With only one idea: that country and its institutions must work their job. If Vutchich falls out in the proces, even the better. But, no one permits him to stay in president place for two years more, as is legal mandate. Everything that is happening between the people and him is his fault, from his own nonsensical actions.

That's why I am saying that is irrelevant, totally not important who started this and who wants their piece of cake. We deal with them after we deal with this bigger problem first.

In short.

 

[caballero reyes]

Something interesting that perhaps many don't know about the inhabitants of the former Yugoslavia.

In Mexico, and especially in the state of Sonora, live many people descended from inhabitants of the former Yugoslavia.
They have been arriving for over 100 years, married Mexicans, and have grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, for now.

They are hardly involved in politics and live well, some very well, thanks to their work in various activities, mainly agricultural.

Greetings to your relatives/ancestors who still remain in those beautiful regions.