What's happening in Serbia

[Possibility of Being]

Are you really going to teach me how and were I live? You really believe that you can do that?

Could you quote the part of my post where, in your opinion, I attempted doing so?

What I'm actually trying to do is to encourage you to behave on this forum in agreement with its guidelines and rules of conduct. You are a guest here, so please get off your high horse or take it elsewhere.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Could you quote the part of my post where, in your opinion, I attempted doing so?

What I'm actually trying to do is to encourage you to behave on this forum in agreement with its guidelines and rules of conduct. You are a guest here, so please get off your high horse or take it elsewhere.

Not a problem. There it is:

Nević, even if you are correct in your views, you are not helping your cause in this way, nor are you helping us to learn more about Serbia. And I would disagree with you that only the inhabitants of a given country know what is really going on there. They often suffer from myopia, tend to mingle with like-minded circles and create an echo chamber. How many Maidan activists do you think were aware of the level of manipulation? How many Soviet revolutionists were aware of the context, manipulations and the unavoidable results

And its not only that you said it, you actually offended me by telling me that I'm blind about conditions in which I live. I demand apology for that.

And you are not "encouraging" me, you are threatening me. Lets be clear about that And in the place where I probably was before you.

My "crime" is my writing style, of which Nienna kindly explained it to me. I understand that we all are not the same, and that there are people who might be upset with it. That's OK.

But, what you and Beau just did is not OK. Its bullying. Its bad and superficial moderation of an forum. You just jumped on the topic, read it just briefly, and then rolled up your sleeves, and "start moderating". I'm not good with it.

Do whatever you want. Bann me, moderate me, delete all, whatever you do with this superficial way of yours of running things. But please, don't offend me anymore by saying to me that I'm blind of the conditions in which I live. Its not you that have to go in the morning and buy bread, milk and whatever, its me.

 

[Joe]

And its not only that you said it, you actually offended me by telling me that I'm blind about conditions in which I live. I demand apology for that.

There's no problem with using some profanity where appropriate, from time to time. The idea is to avoid making it a usual style of communicating. You obviously like straight talk, which I can understand, but in that case, someone who likes "straight talk" demanding an apology for someone suggesting they may be biased about their perspective seems a bit inconsistent.

 

[Joe]

My "crime" is my writing style, of which Nienna kindly explained it to me. I understand that we all are not the same, and that there are people who might be upset with it.

It's not a crime, and no one is offended by it, but it is requested to avoid using strong profanities as a common way of communicating, and to not use them in responding directly to others. The reasons for this should be obvious: it starts fights, and this is not a fight forum, but a discussion forum. Discussion can be "heated", but should not descend into rudeness towards others. Sometimes it can't be avoided in the moment, but it should always be corrected afterwards, if only by reducing the "temperature". All that is asked is a certain level of self-control. Not too much to ask IMO.

 

[Nević Nenad]

It's not a crime, and no one is offended by it, but it is requested to avoid using strong profanities as a common way of communicating, and to not use them in responding directly to others. The reasons for this should be obvious: it starts fights, and this is not a fight forum, but a discussion forum. Discussion can be "heated", but should not descend into rudeness towards others. Sometimes it can't be avoided in the moment, but it should always be corrected afterwards, if only by reducing the "temperature". All that is asked is a certain level of self-control. Not too much to ask IMO.

The problem is people I work with. Construction guys. Thats their way of talking. I got so accustomed to that, so that I even dont pay attention to that anymore. I learned to just extract what people really are want to say, putting profanities aside and communicate with that. That is the work for me. Thank you Joe and Nienna to point that out for lazy me. Thanks God and my wife (not officially married so far, we're only 25 year together), in a month or so, I will work in a high school, and will works with some "finer" people. And I really dont want you all to imagine the bunch of high school kids talking like me

 

[Nević Nenad]

There's no problem with using some profanity where appropriate, from time to time. The idea is to avoid making it a usual style of communicating. You obviously like straight talk, which I can understand, but in that case, someone who likes "straight talk" demanding an apology for someone suggesting they may be biased about their perspective seems a bit inconsistent.

Having read what you wrote, and having read my posts in the last EVEN YEARS now, I feel ashamed. I must work on that.

 

[Cosmos]

Having read what you wrote, and having read my posts in the last EVEN YEARS now, I feel ashamed. I must work on that.

That’s a very important realization.

There is a simple rule that struck me ever since I encountered it and I remember it ever since, because it is so true:

“When you point your index finger towards something or someone else, there are always THREE fingers pointing right back at yourself (middle, ring and little finger)“

What that means is: Often, if not always, the more justified and strongly we feel in pointing a finger, the likelier it is that what we ourselves are (or have been) doing, is exactly what we accuse others of doing. And not only that, but probably 3 times more than the other person or thing we point a finger at even if it should be true that the other party is at fault too! In other words, we tend to project our own issues and faults onto someone or something else.

So every time we feel especially justified and sure that there are for example things like bullying, being offended, not liking straight talk, overly emotional reasoning, rudeness or irrational things going on with something or someone else, chances are that the pointing finger rule above is probably going on.

So, every time we suspect that something like that might be happening with ourselves, it is wise to first and foremost distance ourselves from the pointing and asking ourselves “am I the one that has the actual problem here? And what can I do to change that?“. A good way to distance one’s self from the automatic pointing tendency is to not respond in the heat of the moment but wait at least a day or two to cool down.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Szijjarto: Hungarian MOL will increase deliveries to Serbia after US sanctions on NIS

(click for english)

Сијарто: Мађарски МОЛ ће повећати испоруке Србији након америчких санкција НИС-у

Према речима Сијарта, ово повећање неће моћи у потпуности да замени недостатак испорука из Хрватске

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Hungarian oil company MOL will increase deliveries to Serbia after US sanctions on the Serbian oil industry come into effect, Hungarian Foreign Minister Péter Szijjártó said today.

"Since MOL plays an important role in supplying Serbia with crude oil and fuel, our Serbian friends can rely on increased deliveries from MOL," Szijjártó said in a Facebook post, Tanjug reports.

According to him, this increase will not be able to fully replace the lack of deliveries from Croatia.

He also emphasizes that the situation with NIS shows how dangerous it is to depend on a single oil pipeline.

"After the US sanctioned the Serbian oil company NIS, the Croatian supplier suspended deliveries to Serbia. A clear warning about the risks of relying on just one oil pipeline, especially from Croatia," he pointed out.

"The lesson is clear: we must keep more secure routes open to protect our energy supply," Szijjártó wrote on X.

Slovakia and Hungary get their oil thru Russian pipeline "Druzhba", and have their oil companies in their hands, so they cant have problems with the US.

There is a chance that Serbia gets its oil thru "Druzhba", with some technical difficulties, and by that be totally free of US influence. Just as it is now for the gas. Vucic would earn many points in the country with that. But, thats hardly unlikely with the current government. Vucic is US player foremost and probably going to sell NIS to someone, probably his all drama about NIS is for that goal.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Just for fun, and its really bad that the translation from serbian to english is not available . Marina Abramovic's younger brother Velimir Abramovic have his own theory on student movement. According to him student's movement is joint project by US and Russia. Vucic is chewed out and very unreliable, so US and Russia will change him with the students, but they are working together in order to expel british and european influence on the Balkans. Terrible incident will be organized, probably with dead casualties, and after that both Putin and Trump will stand on the side of students and the people. Russia will probably donate their part of NIS to Serbia, because they will control the whole country anyway. Putin will be ordered, by some forces, to resign in the next year, and in his place will come younger man, military officer, very gentle person. He will open up Russia and win the world not by war but with his mildness.

BTW, younger brother Velimir Abramovic is known for decades for talking bad about his sister Marina. According to him, their childhood was totally different from what she wrote, what she presents on her and her life is mostly fake, and she has no intellectual capabilities for doing the art, let alone to write a book, and that she's either steeling someone's work or someone is using her and telling her what to do. He is also old new ager, known for his fantastic theories about Nikola Tesla.

 

[Ryan]

And its not only that you said it, you actually offended me by telling me that I'm blind about conditions in which I live.

I don't think it's quite as black and white as that.

Would you agree that, as a result of taking an active approach to learning and participating (here on this forum, and probably elsewhere) in discussions about geopolitics, you probably know more about the objective situation of politics the United States than SOME Americans?

If so, then doesn't that imply you know about life in the US better than them?

No? Why not? Perhaps you think that conditions of daily life are more important than "politics"? Okay, well, you work and earn your place in society, you take care of your wife and family. Wouldn't you agree that you know more about "living well", objectively, than some criminal heroin addict, ignorant of politics, rotting from the 'inside out'?

So if that heroin addict is living in the United States, doesn't that imply you know more about life in the US better than them?

No? Why not? Do you think that somebody who demonstrates inferiority to your knowledge and behaviour in every significant way is somehow endowed with some 'right to tell you how it is' in some other country, simply because they were born there? That they are endowed with some 'superhuman power' to which you must show deference and respect, the 'power of being born somewhere'? Wow, what a miraculous 'superpower' - everyone on Earth has it!

Okay, so you might say, "well, even a dumb junky can tell me things about that country I don't know". Fair enough. Couldn't your neighbours also tell you unknown things about your own country, though? You may respond with, "Yes, and I show them that respect because of it".

So, you treat some junky in another country with the same respect you treat a neighbour in your own country? "Oh, but only on the subject of 'local knowledge'," is your response. But what exactly is this "local knowledge" that deserves such uncritical and servile 'respect'? Where to buy drugs? What language is spoken? Where are the highest-quality shops and markets located? What pawnbrokers will accept stolen goods? What are the quickest routes to and from work each day? When and how often are elections held?

Well, in some cases, some of this knowledge could be very important. And that's the whole point. You can't say, "IN ALL CASES, they know life there better than me because they live there." That's not recognition of the knowledge or experience of another, that's just blind belief in a stupid rule, probably hammered into your head as a kid by your dad or another male relative.

Now, is it possible to say, in general, that people who live somewhere can be trusted to have more knowledge and experience of that area than a non-local? I think most of us here would agree this is simply common sense. The problem is in taking a general guideline of common sense and turning it into an absolute. This is something the left hemisphere does par excellence, especially when fuelled by the energy of the emotions.

Perhaps a few things to think about.

As a side note, it's interesting to consider these recent posts in the greater context of what seems to be a worldwide mood of resurgent nationalism, but that would be going way off-topic, and really needs a far more detailed treatment.

 

[Nević Nenad]

I don't think it's quite as black and white as that.

Would you agree that, as a result of taking an active approach to learning and participating (here on this forum, and probably elsewhere) in discussions about geopolitics, you probably know more about the objective situation of politics the United States than SOME Americans?

If so, then doesn't that imply you know about life in the US better than them?

No? Why not? Perhaps you think that conditions of daily life are more important than "politics"? Okay, well, you work and earn your place in society, you take care of your wife and family. Wouldn't you agree that you know more about "living well", objectively, than some criminal heroin addict, ignorant of politics, rotting from the 'inside out'?

So if that heroin addict is living in the United States, doesn't that imply you know more about life in the US better than them?

No? Why not? Do you think that somebody who demonstrates inferiority to your knowledge and behaviour in every significant way is somehow endowed with some 'right to tell you how it is' in some other country, simply because they were born there? That they are endowed with some 'superhuman power' to which you must show deference and respect, the 'power of being born somewhere'? Wow, what a miraculous 'superpower' - everyone on Earth has it!

Okay, so you might say, "well, even a dumb junky can tell me things about that country I don't know". Fair enough. Couldn't your neighbours also tell you unknown things about your own country, though? You may respond with, "Yes, and I show them that respect because of it".

So, you treat some junky in another country with the same respect you treat a neighbour in your own country? "Oh, but only on the subject of 'local knowledge'," is your response. But what exactly is this "local knowledge" that deserves such uncritical and servile 'respect'? Where to buy drugs? What language is spoken? Where are the highest-quality shops and markets located? What pawnbrokers will accept stolen goods? What are the quickest routes to and from work each day? When and how often are elections held?

Well, in some cases, some of this knowledge could be very important. And that's the whole point. You can't say, "IN ALL CASES, they know life there better than me because they live there." That's not recognition of the knowledge or experience of another, that's just blind belief in a stupid rule, probably hammered into your head as a kid by your dad or another male relative.

Now, is it possible to say, in general, that people who live somewhere can be trusted to have more knowledge and experience of that area than a non-local? I think most of us here would agree this is simply common sense. The problem is in taking a general guideline of common sense and turning it into an absolute. This is something the left hemisphere does par excellence, especially when fuelled by the energy of the emotions.

Perhaps a few things to think about.

As a side note, it's interesting to consider these recent posts in the greater context of what seems to be a worldwide mood of resurgent nationalism, but that would be going way off-topic, and really needs a far more detailed treatment.

I can agree to the degree that I know about politics in America more than some Americans, but not more than majority of Americans. Its their life. How I see it, is that the life at then end, is physical, you have to have a place to sleep, work, you have to eat, maintain that body if you wish to continue to live. Politics, which can look as something high and abstract, at the end also comes down to be physical. Politics determines your life standards. Can you afford place to live, what to eat, of what quality will all that be. Actually its not far from the slavery, just more refined.

As a side note, it's interesting to consider these recent posts in the greater context of what seems to be a worldwide mood of resurgent nationalism, but that would be going way off-topic, and really needs a far more detailed treatment.

Its not off-topic, I believe. Its on going in Serbia too, but its discontent on the first place. Nationalism was there way before that discontent or the worldwide resurgence of nationalism. The part of that discontent is suppressing of nationalism which lasts since 2000. (our first colored revolution). That suppressing is done by the NGO's and the government who is globalistic. Now when the NGO's were cut down on their financials from abroad, the government pays them. So we have former USAID, Soros non-governmental organisation payed by the government to fight that government's nation. (also source for discontent). That fight against serbian nationalism had some logic in the times of old socialist Yugoslavia, when the other nations could feel endangered from it, but not now when there is only Serbia. Of course, all of that couldn't cause the situation such as now. It would all go as some sort of low growl crawling silent discontent, if there is no open criminal and corruption from the government. (actually there is no government, its only Vucic who decides of all). That led to destroyed institutions of state, destroyed education and health system, open ties with criminal groups, vulgarization in all fields, lower quality of life also in all fields. People are dying in rundown hospitals from the health problems they didn't die some 20 years ago. At the end people got killed at the broad daylight from no other reason than coruption. Politics literally came down to the physical level.

 

[Persej]

In an interview with Informer, President Vučić confirmed that the Russians offered a gas arrangement until the end of this year, although he expected it to be at least until May 2026.

"I spoke with Bajatović who was in St. Petersburg. They offered us a gas contract until the New Year and I said that this is very disappointing news for us, we were supposed to conclude the contract by May. Why until the New Year? Because they want to tell us, if you start nationalizing NIS, or anything else, we can cut off the gas on December 31. That is a bad message for me in every sense. Not because we planned to nationalize, if we did, we wouldn't have sanctions," said Vučić.

The President of Serbia pointed out that the sanctions could only have been lifted if he had verbally confirmed that NIS would be nationalized.

"The Americans told me you don't have to sign, just tell us orally that the NIS will be nationalized and there will be no sanctions. I said that is not acceptable for me, we don't like to steal other people's property. They said give us your word, I said if I give my word, I have to fulfill it. You have to exhaust everything else, before you think about something like that," explained President Vučić.

Vučić: Razočaravajuća poruka iz Rusije; Očekivao sam više

Predsednik Srbije istakao je da je razočaran time što gasni aranžman sa Rusijom važi samo do kraja godine, ali da mu je jasna poruka ruske strane.

www.b92.net

 

[Nević Nenad]

He's lying at least half of what he said, as usual. Its more likely that Russia waits to see will he be in power till spring and who will be. Russia deals only with legitimately elected officials.

The new gas agreement was to be signed in early spring this year, then when Vucic was in Russia in may. All we have now is Vucic words on what is happening. And knowing his other "works and talks" its most probably just lies.

 

[Ryan]

I can agree to the degree that I know about politics in America more than some Americans, but not more than majority of Americans.

I think this is a reasonable position to take, but it may not be true all the time; for instance, I can see a scenario where a non-American may know more about American politics than the majority of Americans, eg. an Ambassador or diplomatic staff of a foreign country.

(actually there is no government, its only Vucic who decides of all)

I definitively do not have enough knowledge of Serbian politics to refute this, but I'm yet to be convinced by your statements. Vucic, to me, does not appear psychopathic, more like a man caught between different sets of interests and trying to "sit on two stools". I don't have anything particularly positive to say about him, but I don't think he's as smart or as evil as you make him out to be, either. There's a bland, "wishy-washy-ness" to him that is unfortunately characteristic of a lot of Australian politicians.

 

[Nević Nenad]

I think this is a reasonable position to take, but it may not be true all the time; for instance, I can see a scenario where a non-American may know more about American politics than the majority of Americans, eg. an Ambassador or diplomatic staff of a foreign country.


I definitively do not have enough knowledge of Serbian politics to refute this, but I'm yet to be convinced by your statements. Vucic, to me, does not appear psychopathic, more like a man caught between different sets of interests and trying to "sit on two stools". I don't have anything particularly positive to say about him, but I don't think he's as smart or as evil as you make him out to be, either. There's a bland, "wishy-washy-ness" to him that is unfortunately characteristic of a lot of Australian politicians.

I think that you give too much credit to diplomats. Thanks to negative selection in the recent decades, I really dont think that majority of them are worth anything. Of course, there are exceptions like Lavrov, but Lavrov is one.

Here is Serbian example. This is Marko Djuric, person who is minister of the foreign affairs of Serbia. Marko Djuric is person whose intellectual abilities are not in the question, they ARE KNOWN. Marko Djuric is person with intellectual disability. Djuric looks normal (well, almost normal) when delivering pre arranged speeches, but really not when filmed alone or in not pre arranged conditions.

Here is the "minister" being happy listening to Vucic's speach:

Here is the same person "jogging" in the snow and "accidentally" bumps up on the TV crew. Notice how he starts to run only when TV anchor gives him the sign by waving, and also notice the way he runs.

And here is Djuric preparing to applaud to Vucic's speech (first one left from Vucic)

Also minister Djuric bragged in a couple of occasions how "traveles aaaall the world in big US or Israeli army transport planes".


I'm all for social inclusion of persons with any disability, but this is really disgraceful and offending to the whole nation. That person is minister of foreign affairs of one country and represents the country.