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Mrs. Peel said:
So, if they do ask for the original, does this mean you will be causing trouble for your sister-in-law, possibly putting her job in jeopardy? And if I read you right, you also lied to a bank by doctoring her records also? What does she think about this?
Hi Mrs Peel,sorry for the belated answer,I was away for few days.

It appears there is a big misunderstanding! In NO case and by NO means I would cause any trouble to my sister-in-law as her name, number or whatever will never appear anywhere, I only need the scan of the page with the stickers from the vaccine boxes with the doc's stamp, signature and dates. Of course it'a bit worrying and in case of further justification THEN will try to deal with the religion thing which won't be that easy...

On a side note and just to clarify, yes I did falsify my bank statement of account and wage sheets as those of my wife at a time in my mid-twenties with our two baby kids I've been ruined and busted, to say the least, by my own family including my mother and even today I don't see it as a reprehensible behavior toward the banks to "cheat", that's what they did from the beginning, especially as in the long run they still gain all the interests I had to pay for almost 15years.


Divide By Zero said:
It's not a bad thing to show your religious preferences. I doubt they would find it weird, but even if they did, you have a right to follow a religion. If the religion doesn't believe in something, you have a right to work anyway.

If they caused you problems, you have a legal right to religion and can use that in your defense.
Hi DBZ

Unfortunately things are not that simple in france where people have been severely brainwashed about religion for the last twenty years, insomuch that if I evoke any religious affiliation I will be immediately and automatically labeled as cultish except catholicism but they are not against vaccines. Moreover State laws will always prevail over the religious downthere because of the principle of Laïcité applied since 1905.
 
What do you do for your career/job?

I was wondering what sort of jobs you guys on the forum have, because I know there are plenty of job titles and roles that aren't even widely known.
Also, what kind of tricks do you have for coping in a job you don't like, or how do you see the job life as linking in with the Work?

I was researching what advice is given out when they're in a job they don't like:
What to Do When You Hate Your Job and Can’t Quit By Margarita Tartakovsky, M.S.
Associate Editor
~ 3 min read
losing-your-job-redundancy-falloutYou might hate your job for all sorts of reasons. Maybe you’ve lost interest in what you’re doing or maybe you weren’t even interested in the first place.

Maybe you’re trapped in a toxic environment. Your coworkers are catty. Your boss rarely appreciates your efforts and just piles on more (and more) projects on your already-full plate.

And you might not be able to leave for all sorts of reasons. At the top is likely money or good benefits. Job openings in your area may be slim (to none).

Whatever your reasons, if you’re not able to leave a job you hate right now, therapist Melody Wilding, LMSW, shared these helpful suggestions on what you can do.

1. Pinpoint what you’re unhappy about.

Wilding works with high-achieving professionals and entrepreneurs. When her clients reveal they’re unhappy at work, nine times out of 10, work isn’t even the issue. The real problem is at home.

For instance, a person’s relationship is deteriorating, and they’re regularly fighting with their spouse. Their emotional needs go unmet, and they feel empty and discouraged. These feelings and lack of motivation follow them into their workday, she said.

Wilding also has seen people self-medicate with work. They might do this because of many reasons, everything from they just ended a relationship to they’re caring for a sick loved one.

“They use work to fill those emotional holes,” she said. Consequently, work stops feeling rewarding, because it becomes “an escape route.”

If personal issues aren’t affecting your work, explore what’s specifically causing your frustration at the office. “For one week (or a month, depending on how ambitious you are), catalog everything you work on including all the projects, tasks and meetings you have,” Wilding said.

Next, sort them into categories based on how satisfied you feel or how engaged you are with each one. This helps you identify the specific tasks, projects or people that are causing your dissatisfaction, she said.

2. Set boundaries.

If your workplace is toxic, Wilding suggested working on how you set boundaries. For instance, you might be crystal-clear about the hours you’re available and not available, she said.

In fact, it’s important to communicate clearly overall, she said. This includes asking others to repeat what you said to make sure they understand you.

You also might delegate your workload or say no to taking over a colleague’s responsibilities, she said.

3. Do a negativity detox.

This means not complaining about your job for a week, Wilding said. “Don’t vent to your friends at happy hour, or go home and complain and stew about things that happened at work for hours.”

Ruminating about all the reasons your job is terrible only keeps you stuck in pessimistic thought patterns and prevents you from seeing any upside, she said. Not complaining provides distance so you can see your situation more objectively, she added.

4. Think of your job as a testing ground.

Instead of wasting or passing time at work, Wilding said, focus on developing your skills for future opportunities. What can you learn at your job? What skills can you acquire or sharpen and put on your resume?

For instance, you might collaborate with different departments or teams at your office, she said. “You can speak with your manager about specific areas you’d like to grow in, say learning to code or learning web design, then work together to find a project in another department, which you could pitch in on.”

Another option is to use your workplace as a lab. If you want to sharpen your negotiating skills, practice negotiating in different situations, and test out different approaches through email and meetings, Wilding said.

Take courses at a community college or online. Wilding shared these websites: Udemy, Skillshare, General Assembly and Khan Academy. Talk to human resources to see if your job offers continuing education or training options, she said. (Many do.)

5. Remember your job isn’t who you are.

“Your happiness at work does not define your self-worth,” Wilding said. Instead she suggested writing about who you are outside your job title. This includes your values and what you stand for, she said. For instance, maybe you stand for compassion, community and open-mindedness, she said.

If you’re not sure, think about what you’re drawn to and what’s most important to you. Look for themes and patterns when it comes to what inspires and infuriates you, she said.

Wilding shared these additional exercises: Take an inventory of values words, many of which are available online. Then circle the five words you gravitate to first.

Also, ask 10 people you’re close with to describe your best three qualities. “Put their responses in a word cloud to see what pops out as most prominent.”

6. Explore your “shoulds.”

Sometimes, we stay in a job we hate because we’re clinging to “shoulds.” As Wilding said, “We often feel beholden to the expectations our parents or we created for ourselves, even if they are no longer productively serving us.”

This might include everything from “I should stay even if my boss is horrible” to “I’m supposed to be a lawyer.”

According to Wilding, we’re taught to believe that our lives must follow a stringent script: attend college, pick a profession, get a job, follow a projected career path.

“But life is messy, our personalities are fluid, we grow and change.” Clinging to such “shoulds” only keeps us stuck in jobs that make us unhappy, she said.

Explore the reasons why you can’t quit, because it’s possible that your underlying reason is actually a “should.” And you might want to explore other opportunities.

Being in a job you hate can feel demoralizing. But there are ways you can improve your situation. And, if you realize that you’re staying because of certain shoulds, consider what you really want to do.

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2015/03/05/what-to-do-when-you-hate-your-job-and-cant-quit/
 
Re: What do you do for your career/job?

I work as a paid contractor and volunteer for a small organizationthat assists military veterans to deal with addiction and trauma issues. The objective is for them to achieve independent living.

My dislikes about my job are mostly transitory and stuff you could expect to happen when people with a very wide range of temperaments try to work together. Until things are ironed out, negotiated, re-negotiated or whatever is called for in given situations, our rule of thumb can basically be summed up as "suck it up, buttercup, we gotta keep it going."

I think there's some good advice in your quote, so thanks for posting!
 
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Thanks for sharing that article Lilyalic, it has some good points. I am a support worker, so I basically work in a small residential home and support adults with learning disabilities in becoming more independent, functional members of society. So we take walks, go on day trips, cook meals together and such. Some times it is a wonderful job, other times it can be extremely mentally draining. It is also a task to try and put others needs before my own, and instead of sitting idle watching the television, I try to interact with the guys as much as possible.

The worst part is not necessarily working with the service-users, but rather working with the other staff. In particular there is one member of staff who seems to thrive off of exerting her power over these vulnerable adults and IMO fits the criteria for psychopathy. This is the problem with caring professions, they attract predators :/.

What do you do Lilyalic?
 
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Buddy said:
I work as a paid contractor and volunteer for a small organizationthat assists military veterans to deal with addiction and trauma issues. The objective is for them to achieve independent living.

My dislikes about my job are mostly transitory and stuff you could expect to happen when people with a very wide range of temperaments try to work together. Until things are ironed out, negotiated, re-negotiated or whatever is called for in given situations, our rule of thumb can basically be summed up as "suck it up, buttercup, we gotta keep it going."

I think there's some good advice in your quote, so thanks for posting!

It must be quite rewarding the volunteer work you're doing, helping others in becoming independent.

Keyhole said:
Thanks for sharing that article Lilyalic, it has some good points. I am a support worker, so I basically work in a small residential home and support adults with learning disabilities in becoming more independent, functional members of society. So we take walks, go on day trips, cook meals together and such. Some times it is a wonderful job, other times it can be extremely mentally draining. It is also a task to try and put others needs before my own, and instead of sitting idle watching the television, I try to interact with the guys as much as possible.

The worst part is not necessarily working with the service-users, but rather working with the other staff. In particular there is one member of staff who seems to thrive off of exerting her power over these vulnerable adults and IMO fits the criteria for psychopathy. This is the problem with caring professions, they attract predators :/.

What do you do Lilyalic?

I've been recently thinking of taking up a job like that, a carer or what not. I've applied for a few, it is rare that you don't need some sort of experience though. I can see how the job would be wonderful at some points, and mentally draining! How did you come to getting a job in that profession if you don't mind me asking?

My Mum worked in an elderly residential home and I used to go here a few times a week, there were many people who seemed like total predators! They act all caring and supportive when certain people are around, and when no-one is there, or another similar co-worker they get frustrated at the elderly folks and just think about themselves. It's either you enjoy looking after others, or enjoy watching others suffer. The owner their really didn't care about any of those folks, she once put all residents 80+ into one room because she was having the other rooms re-done, there wasn't enough staff in to care for so many, one of the folks ended up having a fall and breaking her hip and further implications.

I have mostly worked in Customer Service roles, currently I'm back at McDonalds (somewhere I've worked seasonal since I was 16) until I find another job. I've worked in all kinds of places, but McDonalds is one of the worst - Not only do people literally talk to you like you're there because thats "all you can get", the managers are power-loving "take themselves too seriously" people. Then watching parents bring their children in everyday to feed them that kind of food is annoying, plus even touching it and going home smelling of it! I tend to take my car with me to work, although it's only a 10 minute walk so I can sit in the car to eat my food! I'm really struggling to stay happy in this job, and I really want a job with animals or even somewhere caring. I'm going to see what job is in store for me next, see if I'll have weekends available to do volunteer work at the RSPCA for some experience.
 
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Lilyalic said:
I've been recently thinking of taking up a job like that, a carer or what not. I've applied for a few, it is rare that you don't need some sort of experience though. I can see how the job would be wonderful at some points, and mentally draining! How did you come to getting a job in that profession if you don't mind me asking?
I was actually lucky because I knew someone who already worked there so they made a recommendation and I got an interview.
Lilyalic said:
My Mum worked in an elderly residential home and I used to go here a few times a week, there were many people who seemed like total predators! They act all caring and supportive when certain people are around, and when no-one is there, or another similar co-worker they get frustrated at the elderly folks and just think about themselves. It's either you enjoy looking after others, or enjoy watching others suffer. The owner their really didn't care about any of those folks, she once put all residents 80+ into one room because she was having the other rooms re-done, there wasn't enough staff in to care for so many, one of the folks ended up having a fall and breaking her hip and further implications.
Yeah, there seems to be a divide in the types of people this line of work appeals to. You have some people who are warm, caring, empathic, and often try to do the best that they can. Whereas you have the others who are cold, power-hungry and are relatively lazy, and its not hard to see that they really don't care about the people that they are meant to be supporting. It's quite frustrating to see.
Lilyalic said:
I have mostly worked in Customer Service roles, currently I'm back at McDonalds (somewhere I've worked seasonal since I was 16) until I find another job. I've worked in all kinds of places, but McDonalds is one of the worst - Not only do people literally talk to you like you're there because thats "all you can get", the managers are power-loving "take themselves too seriously" people. Then watching parents bring their children in everyday to feed them that kind of food is annoying, plus even touching it and going home smelling of it! I tend to take my car with me to work, although it's only a 10 minute walk so I can sit in the car to eat my food! I'm really struggling to stay happy in this job, and I really want a job with animals or even somewhere caring. I'm going to see what job is in store for me next, see if I'll have weekends available to do volunteer work at the RSPCA for some experience.
I can imagine that is quite a difficult environment to work in. You might find that in any job, there aspects that you dislike or disagree with, but the best you can do is try to put up with them. Like you said about seeing parents bring their children in to eat that food... in my job we have to provide them with ultra low-fat foods and distribute medication daily which includes statins and things like Haliperidol and Fluoxetine (which are both extremely toxic). Sometimes it can be upsetting so you kinda have to "shut off" in order for it not to affect you emotionally. Working with animals sounds like a cool idea, if you are interested in working for the RSPCA the best thing to do would be to do some vollunteering work IMO, just so you get some experience under your belt.

You can also check this webpage for any vacancies (I was looking for a similar job earlier on this year): _https://www.rspca.org.uk/utilities/jobs/jobvacancies
 
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I really want a job with animals or even somewhere caring. I'm going to see what job is in store for me next, see if I'll have weekends available to do volunteer work at the RSPCA for some experience.

It sounds to me that, on the whole, what you're really asking could be best answered by placing yourself in a wide variety of situations, doing some volunteer work and really trying hard to understand how and why the business around you works.

If you've read chapter 65 of the online Wave and you can place some trust in the Universe and you're a little bit sensitive to impression or certain pressures, then whenever you feel yourself being 'shepharded' into doing something that other people need, you may have just found what you need!
 
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I really want a job with animals or even somewhere caring. I'm going to see what job is in store for me next, see if I'll have weekends available to do volunteer work at the RSPCA for some experience.
I do not know what education (university degree) you have, but you might be more pleased to work with the homeless?
 
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I think the article you posted is really good. I'm not sure about point 5 though?

Remember your job isn’t who you are.

“Your happiness at work does not define your self-worth,” Wilding said. Instead she suggested writing about who you are outside your job title.

I think there's a couple of things going on here. I agree that your self-worth shouldn't be defined by your happiness at work, but what do people think about the idea that your job isn't who you are? I think it can be.

I'm a musician and music teacher. I work with a couple of guys with learning difficulties/autism/challenging behaviour, but mostly my students are 1 on 1 private lessons, children and adults. At the weekends, I play in a band.

I got myself into the work I do by consistently "knocking on the door", advertising, networking, long commutes. But at the same time, I feel massively fortunate to be able to make a living from something I'm good at and enjoy. I don't take it for granted and if I had to find a more conventional type job tomorrow, I wouldn't mind.

Teaching keeps me having to think and learn and develop myself, my understanding, my communication skills. The only downside to it really is that students come and go or might miss lessons and that leaves me out of pocket. It's almost impossible to do an accurate cash flow forecast for each month.

Gigging with the band is something I could do without. Health wise, my cortisol levels/circadian rhythm are all over the place, but come November, the contract will end and I can work on getting my body into a healthy routine.

I've worked in situations that I didn't enjoy. The worst situation was at a factory where a coworker was a really toxic personality. He had a drug problem and we were doing piece work (paid for how much you do) so he would go out of his way to manipulate the bosses to get the best work, while sabotaging his competition.

I found it impossible to cope with at the time, returning home and even getting into bed and bursting into tears one afternoon. I ended up leaving soon after. If it had been well paid, I might have tried to stay a bit longer, but it was an hour away from where I lived and didn't pay that well anyway.

My advice to anyone trying to find a job they really want to do is search for it everyday, try not to have too much expectation as to how close the job might be to exactly what you want, be prepared to move house if you find something.

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T.C. said:
I think the article you posted is really good. I'm not sure about point 5 though?

Remember your job isn’t who you are.

“Your happiness at work does not define your self-worth,” Wilding said. Instead she suggested writing about who you are outside your job title.

I think there's a couple of things going on here. I agree that your self-worth shouldn't be defined by your happiness at work, but what do people think about the idea that your job isn't who you are? I think it can be.

I think its basically trying to say to not define and single yourself to your job. Because if it where to go, there is a whole spectrum of YOU still left.
So without the job we label ourselves to be, something larger and sustainable is still there once the title of; Support Worker, Musician, Engineer etc. has been removed. So our job's are not WHO WE ARE, but only a small part of it. OSIT.

“Your happiness at work does not define your self-worth,” Wilding said. Instead she suggested writing about who you are outside your job title. This includes your values and what you stand for, she said. For instance, maybe you stand for compassion, community and open-mindedness, she said.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rwlYXqKnPyk

This link is to a talk done by my favourite musician/biggest inspiration, Bryan Beller.

It's a fantastic recapitulation of him going over his career and the things that happened to him and how he responded to them.

He definitely comes across as someone who's had to work on himself and alludes to some work-like concepts later on.

Anyway, thought I'd share it as I found it moving and inspiring and even helps getting through black and white thinking. Its surface content pertains to a career in music, but his hollistic attitude makes it useful for any career/life path, I think.
 
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Im currently working for Jaguar LandRover in the Paint department. I started here fitting parts to the cars itself, wires/brackets and such. I then got taken into the Paint shop where i was prepping the cars to be painted, sanding and cleaning dirt off the surfaces.

Upon the monogamy of these tasks, i started speaking to afew supervisors to get taken to be trained in the Spray Booth's as it just sounds more entertaining and a task to accomplish. More of a 'challenge'. Probably trying to give myself a better title and importance within the manufacturing... Becoming a more important cog in the company.

But now its sort of hit me; doing anything continuous for 8hours at a time, 5 days a week becomes monogamous. When i describe this job to people, like working for JLR and being part of the team that paints them, it sounds quite impressive and well achieved.

I leave out the fact that i literally spend about 70 seconds on each car, doing 300 cars a shift EXACTLY THE SAME. There is no change, apart from what colour you spray...
Never have I experienced something so mind torturing as being in a huge, noisy and bright metal container, wearing a big head mask with its own air supply, while doing a repetitive strenuous task.

3. Do a negativity detox.

This means not complaining about your job for a week, Wilding said. “Don’t vent to your friends at happy hour, or go home and complain and stew about things that happened at work for hours.”

Ruminating about all the reasons your job is terrible only keeps you stuck in pessimistic thought patterns and prevents you from seeing any upside, she said. Not complaining provides distance so you can see your situation more objectively, she added.

I used to do this, just because i seen moaning as simply that; moaning. But keeping this stuff in sometimes boils your insides. Recently releasing all this tension and stress by expressing my dislike for my job has allowed me to 'get it out there'. Yano, i do hate this job. But i used to suppress it and narrate my way to stay there; pay, security. But letting it out, in a healthy communicative way sometimes, from my experience, lets you really understand how we feel.
My job is something i speak about to my counselor for alot of the time. And its just getting to a point where it is not healthy for my well-being anymore, and its not something i can actually fit into the life i am trying to create. But it is difficult to actually imagine leaving this job, for a new one that pays half as much...
 
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I drive Railroad crew people ( women too ) - ( Conductor & Engineer )
from railroad Yard/Office to Hotel
they are required to rest after 12 hrs work ..
they come in from 5 or 6 different directions here*
( * FARGO NORTH DAKOTA )
then after they have 10 hrs rest and a train is going back
in the direction they came from .. I take them back to office in shuttle Van..

there are a lot less trains than last year ..
both Oil Trains and Cargo trains .. people have been laid off ...

i find them a real boring lot , blue collar ..
( but they make real good money ! )

I only work part time , maybe i will explain why , another time ... CC
 
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T.C. said:
I think the article you posted is really good. I'm not sure about point 5 though?

Remember your job isn’t who you are.

“Your happiness at work does not define your self-worth,” Wilding said. Instead she suggested writing about who you are outside your job title.

I think there's a couple of things going on here. I agree that your self-worth shouldn't be defined by your happiness at work, but what do people think about the idea that your job isn't who you are? I think it can be.

I think the point is that, even though it can, it doesn't have to define who you are and in fact isn't even necessary to look at a job that way. A lot of people think that one's career or occupation is what makes a person who they are, but I think we can all agree that people are a lot more than whatever they do for a living. Gurdjieff ran businesses, fixed just about any mechanical object that broke, and sold painted canaries. It did not define him, but it helped him towards his AIM. Some people define themselves by such a thing, and they judge others the same way, but I think such a way of looking at the world is pretty superficial.
 
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[quote author=T.C.]
...what do people think about the idea that your job isn't who you are? I think it can be.[/quote]

I think it can be. Considering the setting here is the Work, one could, conceivably, dedicate themselves totally to their job - to be their job - if it serves Work aims and involves regular reflection. For example, after a period of time has elapsed and the fruits of a person's continual activity of reflecting on what they've been doing shows him/her that the way they've been thinking, behaving and working suggests that they have been unconsciously trying to work out the implications of some belief(s) or principles, then this new realization can be very useful to them!
 
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