Where Troy Once Stood

[Ruth]

My next question is about Alexander the Great (356-323 BC), who's teacher, Aristotle (384-322 BC) gave him an annotated copy of The Iliad. It is also reported that he had a copy of The Odessey as well, but The Iliad was his favourite. He was the one who gave Pharohic Egypt it's official name that we know it by now, when it became a Greek colony in 332 BC. He was accordingly VERY familiar with Homer's works.

My question is was he a reincarnation of one of the participants of the Trojan war? And was it Achilles? They both seemed to be precociously adept at warfare. I've just seen that his mother, Olympias of Epirus was the daughter of Neoptolemus I.... who claimed to be a decendant of Achilles and King Lycomendes... from that time....

 

[Ruth]

At least a part of the Yucatan is kind of lacy and might be quite fragile in the event of a major shake. There are cenotes all over, and no telling how deep some of them go. I did some diving there, with a guide of course. The water is cold and fresh.

Cenote - Wikipedia

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Wow! You went diving in part of that big impact crater. (The one that killed the dinosaurs). It must have been impressive! I believe it was the cenotes that provided the clue as to where the impact site was.

 

[Bastian]

Hello @Ruth ,

FYI there is a minor mistake here :

According to the internet, Bronze Age Britain occured between 2500 (approx) - 800 BC/BCE. BC and BCE are the same, but one is more 'politically correct' i.e. not associated with Christianity. So that means 4500 (approx) - 2825 BP. Which is "Before Present", or total years ago.

Conventionally, the reference date for "BP" is January 1st, 1950. Cf.

Before Present - Wikipedia

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So 2500 (approx.) - 800 BC(E) would rather be 4450 (approx.) - 2750 BP.

My two (euro)cents.

 

[Ruth]

Conventionally, the reference date for "BP" is January 1st, 1950. Cf.

Holy Smoke! Present Time was before I was born! Luckily I don't have to be 'carbon dated' to find out my age. I wonder if the C's use 1 Jan 1950 as 'present day'? Perhaps not, if they're not a big fan of the accuracy of the proceedure. Maybe it's particularly useful for the VERY long periods of time ago? Kind of like dinosaur lengths of time in the past....

 

[axj]

I wonder if the C's use 1 Jan 1950 as 'present day'? Perhaps not

Looking at the transcripts, the C's have never used the terms 'BP' or 'before present'. Only 'years ago' or 'BC' and 'AD'. But in all those cases it is unclear whether the 400-500 phantom years have been included or not.

 

[Yupo]

Wow! You went diving in part of that big impact crater. (The one that killed the dinosaurs). It must have been impressive! I believe it was the cenotes that provided the clue as to where the impact site was.

Not in one that big or deep. There are lots of those formations everywhere I visited. I was around Tulum and Playa del Carmen mostly. In some places you can ride in these little rivers (that come up and go under ground) right out into the sea.

 

[Ruth]

Hello.
Tonight, I stumbled upon this video (published in 2021), titled "The Trojan War: The Reality - England vs. France", by S. E. Robbins :

Just had a thought, you could interview this guy if you had a mind to - or someone associated with Cassiopaea or SOTT might be able to. Unfortunately, Iman Wilkens passed in 2018. I wonder who has the "rights" to publish this book? Maybe I'll ask the publishers....

 

[Navigator]

Right, so we don't really have it clear when the cataclysm that the Iliad and Odyssey describe actually happened. So more questions are needed I think.

Yeah, its tricky. It could be a composition from different places and events over time. This is what they said about Scheria, the land of the Phaecians recently:

(L) So they were real. So where was the island located?

A: Not an island. Was a confused memory of an area around present day St. Petersburg.

A confused memory. This implies the composer(s) of the Odyssey collected tales and accounts from other time, perhaps far into the past. But how far?

The C's said the the part about the abduction of Helen in the Iliad references the Nefertiti/Sarah and "Abraham" saga, around 1629-1627 BC, so that part is not that old.

But, the Odyssey specially is so broad and fantastic in the world it describes that it could be that incorporates bits from ancient tales, going back as far as Atlantis.

 

[Navigator]

Things were weird in the past, and in theory, would be again.

I suspect that this ancient civilization is alluded in The Odyssey and its remains are pictured above.

Fascinating. A whole new can of worms. According to this theory, State 2 window could last up to 400 years (as per Grok). And archeologists and historians have struggled with the direction of the winds described in the tales (A north wind, a south wind, and so on). So perhaps they allude to a time when the cardinal points were different.

This is what the world looks like while in State 2.

 

[Gaby]

But, the Odyssey specially is so broad and fantastic in the world it describes that it could be that incorporates bits from ancient tales, going back as far as Atlantis.

This is precisely the impression that I get.

I'm almost done with Cailleaux and Wilkens, reading both books at the same time. They are very complementary. Wilkens has more precision for locations, and Cailleaux is also very talented in linguistics, "green language" and had access to celtic literature of earlier centuries. The impression is that Cailleaux deciphers stories that go way back to Atlantis. Wilkens, is more firmly rooted in location and relatively recent past (Bronze Age), and quotes Cailleaux's linguistic abilities often enough in the book Where Troy Once Stood.

A whole new can of worms. According to this theory, State 2 window could last up to 400 years (as per Grok). And archeologists and historians have struggled with the direction of the winds described in the tales (A north wind, a south wind, and so on). So perhaps they allude to a time when the cardinal points were different.

Cailleaux brings up a point that there's a part in the Odyssey where it says that they don't know where the sun sets or rises, so let's go to Circe to help clarify t (words to that effect). Ok, I found it. It's here:

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/1727/pg1727.txt

“Thus through the livelong day to the going down of the sun we stayed
there eating and drinking our fill, but when the sun went down and it
came on dark, we camped upon the sea shore. When the child of morning,
rosy-fingered Dawn, appeared, I called a council and said, ‘My friends,
we are in very great difficulties; listen therefore to me. We have no
idea where the sun either sets or rises,85 so that we do not even know
East from West. I see no way out of it; nevertheless, we must try and
find one. We are certainly on an island, for I went as high as I could
this morning, and saw the sea reaching all round it to the horizon; it
lies low, but towards the middle I saw smoke rising from out of a thick
forest of trees.’

Cailleaux claims that it was due to the foggy nature of the place and how the current arrived to Circe's island. Though, one wonders... Pole shift in the ancient past? Then there's this one:

In this time they said that the sun had moved four times from his accustomed place of rising, and where he now sets he had thence twice had his rising, and in the place from whence he now rises he had twice had his setting. -Herodotus, an Account of Egypt

 

[STARSEED]

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Hi Laura maybe add to the mix the Brutus of Troy Myth. Brutus a Great Grandson of Aeneas(who founded Rome) then founded Troya Nova.....London!!!!!

 

[SasaM]

Though, one wonders... Pole shift in the ancient past? Then there's this one:

In this time they said that the sun had moved four times from his accustomed place of rising, and where he now sets he had thence twice had his rising, and in the place from whence he now rises he had twice had his setting. -Herodotus, an Account of Egypt

In the CatHoM, this specific text was associated with comets and cometary interactions as viewed from the surface of the Earth, not a hypothetical pole shift.
FWIW.