Where Troy Once Stood

We could ask about this, because it's my understanding that the only thing that could cause this effect is a reversal of the axial rotation. The forces required to do this would very likely wipe out all (or the vast majority of) life on earth.

Hello, I am having trouble discerning the exact context of your interrogation, but as the topic is about Troy, I understand that you may be reffering to a potential event wiping out Greeks: am I correct or is your take about something else, please?

I am studying the fact that Greeks oddly produced a lot of flawed disciplines: science, philosophy, etc - and was puzzled as to the fact that Laura said that Greeks indeed had solid knowledge.

I would be considering that Greece undergone a bit the same schema that Romans did: burst of positive knowledge, degeneration, comets, wiping - then rewriting of history, selection of books. Was wondering if Greek enforcers would refer to such a principle. That they would be akin to the Medieval reflourishing, the Catholicism 2.0...

Thank you for any clarification!

Somehow, the C's pointed out the Greek data problem to "The order of Thelon" ("Greek enforcers"), a sort of sect (akin to the "FBI") affiliated to 4D STS. It could be the same process which took place for modern Catholicism, basically a group of people connected to 4D STS.

That would be the basic stuff to look for, when we stare at intellectual deficiencies. Systematically, big knowlegde pops up, very close to a context of degeneration which takes place immediately after. Then, nothing for a while, and that's where a group would rebuild the knowledge intended to serve as a mainstream basis. The history of today's science would be bound to several of those successive steps. A "stack" of subverted [initially positive] frameworks.

I did not follow the study of Homere, by the forum: is this book estimated to be objective? Could it fall into the category of "rewriting of history"?

Greeks seemed knowledgeable. We could hypothesize a wiping event happening during their time.
 
Not according to the C's:
Anyone asked about the Galactic Current Sheet and as a corollary to that its cyclical regularity? How much of scientific research is to be believed when observations myths and data show major termination events.? As regards the 'C's answer tends to fly in the face of much evidence?
 
Kaali crater - Wikipedia
Kaali is a group of nine meteorite craters in the village of Kaali on the Estonian island of Saaremaa. Most recent estimates put its formation shortly after 1530–1450 BC
The impact is thought to have happened in the Holocene period, around 3,500 years ago. The estimates of the age of the Kaali impact structure (Saaremaa Island, Estonia) provided by different authors vary by as much as 6,000 years, ranging from ~6,400 to ~400 years before current era (BCE). Analysis of silicate spherules in Estonian bogs show that the possible age of the impact craters could be approximately 7,600 years. A study based on elevated iridium signal in a nearby bog suggested the much younger age of 4th century BC.

Kaali crater in Saaremaa, Estonia
Datings vary from 2400 to 7500 years ago
-389 up to -5489

Could this be related to comets, after the Thera event?

Session 23 August 2001
Q: (L) Now, I have a little problem with my writing. First of all, did the eruption of Thera occur in 1627 BC or thereabouts?

A: Close.



Q: (L) ...Thera blew and forty years later, the comets came.

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Q: (L) Well, about 40 years after that there was the comet cluster, in 1588 BC, correct?

A: Yes.

Do we know the location where those comets hit?
 
Right, so we don't really have it clear when the cataclysm that the Iliad and Odyssey describe actually happened. So more questions are needed I think.
There's also this:


Q: (L) The events that are being described in the "Where Troy Once Stood" book, are they fairly accurate?

A: Yes and No. There are many events presented as one time-wise.

Q: (L) Is it so that, at a certain period, Egypt was in the north of France and also the other countries; did they ever exist as the author describes them with the names he gives them?

A: Around 2200 BC

Q: So that would mean that even the Trojan war story was layered on top of the 1600 BC event. Does that (2200BC) coincide with one of the catastrophes that Baillie talks about?

A: Check it out


Q: (Altair) Did Troy ever exist as a town?

A: Yes

Q: (Altair) And if so, where was it located?

A: England.

Q: (Joe) "Where Troy Once Stood"

(Chu) Yeah, we knew that one.

(Altair) Did the Trojan War really happen as depicted in the Iliad?

A: No

Q: (Altair) If not, what was the inspiration for writing The Iliad?

A: Cataclysms.

Q: (L) So what was being depicted was basically kind of like a recounting of the cataclysms depicted as kind of like other densities fighting and this being represented on Earth as cataclysms?

A: Yes

Q: (Andromeda) A docudrama.

(L) A docudrama, yes.

(Niall) A dramatic representation.
 
Q: (L) The events that are being described in the "Where Troy Once Stood" book, are they fairly accurate?

A: Yes and No. There are many events presented as one time-wise.
If I understand this right, there is an "expansion", of one single [real] event, into multiple "stories"?
 
Please excuse me for a so basic question, but:

Q: (L) Is it so that, at a certain period, Egypt was in the north of France and also the other countries; did they ever exist as the author describes them with the names he gives them?

A: Around 2200 BC

Does this mean:

"the pyramids were in Africa, and the Egyptian empire was spanning up to France"

or

"pole shift", or something akin, so that we would have to translate the Egyptian "capital" (and more) to another "location"?

Thank you!
 
Yes, you are right that a minute amount of true polar wander does occur all the time. And it is even theorized that tens of millions years ago there was a 25 degree true polar wander without crustal displacement - that the rotation itself shifted (not an axial tilting) and as such changed the location of the geographical poles.

So what you are saying seems possible and it is even the preferred scientific explanation for true polar wander. However, it seems that crustal displacement may be the primary cause of true polar wander, especially if it is a large movement of the poles in a short time. We do not actually know if the minute yearly true polar wander is caused by crustal displacement or changes of the rotation itself.

It is a surprisingly complex topic. There are even two types of nutation ("rotation wobbles") and two different kinds of one of those nutation types. Anyone not confused yet?
Thoroughly! But I will keep reading and googling! Yes, complex but interesting.
 
Q: (L) Is it so that, at a certain period, Egypt was in the north of France and also the other countries; did they ever exist as the author describes them with the names he gives them?

A: Around 2200 BC

Q: So that would mean that even the Trojan war story was layered on top of the 1600 BC event. Does that (2200BC) coincide with one of the catastrophes that Baillie talks about?

A: Check it out
If the 400-500 phantom years theory is correct (it is according to the C's), then the last visit of the comet cluster about 3600 years ago would have been a 2100 BC or 2000 BC event, not a 1600 BC event. There are apparently 400-500 years too much in the first millenium AD.

https://cassiopaea.org/forum/threads/were-460-years-added-to-the-official-chronology.51503/
 
Q: (L) The events that are being described in the "Where Troy Once Stood" book, are they fairly accurate?

A: Yes and No. There are many events presented as one time-wise.

I'll be honest, I wasn't aware of this exchange, it helps clarifying (or confuse more!) Homer's tales a bit more. They are a mishmash of events. Some, if not all, around catastrophes.

Q: So that would mean that even the Trojan war story was layered on top of the 1600 BC event. Does that (2200BC) coincide with one of the catastrophes that Baillie talks about?

A: Check it out

This is true according to GISP2 and Baillie, the event around 2200 BC recorded both in the ice-core and the trees has been pinpointed to 2354BC.

Leaving aside the Exodus and Sarah & Abraham stories, we have references to Atlantis in Homer.

So to summarize I guess, Wilkens and others sets people and places referenced by Homer in northern Europe/the Baltic (as the case with Egypt in France) and elsewhere, and this was true around 2200 BC. Then, by the C's, we should assume that later (due to post-cataclysmic migration?) the names were reconfigured to their present day locations.

To round it all we have the possibility of having ECDO excursions not only around the Younger Dryas, as the theory proposes, but also later, four times, if we go with what the Egyptian priests told Herodotus.
 
To round it all we have the possibility of having ECDO excursions not only around the Younger Dryas, as the theory proposes, but also later, four times, if we go with what the Egyptian priests told Herodotus.
The C's have said that the "Exodus cataclysm" in the 3rd millenium BC resulted in a 20 degree Earth axis tilt, bigger than the 7 degrees axis tilt and/or crustal shift during the Younger Dryas "Atlantis cataclysm" in the 11th millenium BC.

Dear mods , is it possible to compile all the pole shift related posts in one thread, please?
There is some here , some in latest session thread, and other places
Yes, maybe a dedicated Pole Shift thread would be better.
 
Laura K.J. - "The Secret history of the World"
Plato wrote about a periodic reversal of the rotation of “the world”, probably meaning the entire “cosmic machine”, rather than just the planet, as being the cause of the end of one age and the beginning of another.
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Plato describes the close of the era in terms of Pole Shift
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Both Herodotus and Plato are explicit in saying that the phenomenon is dual natured, that something happens “out there” in the Solar system and the results on the earth are cataclysmic. Herodotus says that it happened four times in an 11,500year period, and Plato says that it is an ever-recurring phenomenon.

Sesssion 31 October 2001
Q: (L) Now according to these guys who are writing this web page about pole shift, they say it can be predicted where the poles will shift to. Is this in fact the case?

A: No.

Q: (L) Why can't pole shifts be predicted? Can't we know where the new pole will end up?

A: Chaotic function here

Q: (L) Okay, in a pole shift does the lithosphere of the planet slide on the core?

(A) No. We have to be very precise.

There are three possible things that would come under the name pole shift. Only one of them may come, or two, or three, okay? And these are the following -

1) the axis of rotation with respect to stars is changing, straightening out for instance; this is one thing; while all the rest goes with the axis, the lithosphere and the magnetic field.

2) Second, the axis stays where it is, maybe it shifts a little bit; the lithosphere stays where it is - maybe it wobbles - but the magnetic field changes: for instance reverses.

3) Third, axis stays, magnetic field stays, but the lithosphere is moving.

So that's three ways a pole shift can happen. And of course there are things that come together. The most dramatic one which is seen from outside is when the axis of rotation changes. The next dramatic one is probably when the lithosphere changes. And the third of unknown consequences is when the magnetic pole changes, okay? So, we want to have an understanding what will be the main change.

(Found the quote in this thread: Pole shift book declassified 1963)
 
To round it all we have the possibility of having ECDO excursions not only around the Younger Dryas, as the theory proposes, but also later, four times, if we go with what the Egyptian priests told Herodotus.
If Egypt was in the area of northern France around 2200BC, then the knowledgeable Egyptian priests which Herodotus refers to, could refer to the Druids of the Celts.
 
Q: (L) Is it so that, at a certain period, Egypt was in the north of France and also the other countries; did they ever exist as the author describes them with the names he gives them?

A: Around 2200 BC

Q: So that would mean that even the Trojan war story was layered on top of the 1600 BC event. Does that (2200BC) coincide with one of the catastrophes that Baillie talks about?

A: Check it out

(The Mexicans) Was Troy the dominating force in the region before its fall?

A: Yes

Q: (The Mexicans) Did it get destroyed during the events of 1627/8 BC?

A: No. 1100 BCE.

Q: (L) Okay, so, but that was the city of Troy, not necessarily the story of the Trojan War, right?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) The story of the Trojan War was probably a combination of the cataclysmic events, as well as maybe the destruction of the actual city of Troy. Is that it?

A: Yes.


Q: (The Mexicans) Did the events of Nefertiti and Akhenaten happen geographically in Egypt?

A: Yes.

The premise is that around 2200 BC the Troy and Egypt on France were still around, and that the Troy is destroyed in 1100 BCE (as per the Cs above).

I asked Grok for the summary of the events around 2200 BC:
Below, I'll provide a structured summary of my search results based on your query. I started by examining the website CosmicTusk.com (a blog focused on cosmic catastrophism, impact events, and related hypotheses, often drawing from researchers like Victor Clube, Bill Napier, Mike Baillie, and the Comet Research Group). Then, I expanded to a broader internet search using reliable sources (e.g., academic papers via Google Scholar, Wikipedia for overviews, NASA-related sites, and news articles from outlets like Science, Nature, and BBC). I'll cite sources where possible and note that while some claims on CosmicTusk.com align with fringe or speculative theories, mainstream science often attributes events around 2200 BC to non-impact causes like climate variability.1. Search on CosmicTusk.comCosmicTusk.com (run by George Howard) frequently discusses cosmic impacts and their potential role in historical climate disruptions and civilization collapses. A key event around 2200 BC referenced on the site is tied to the 4.2 kiloyear event (also called the 4.2 kya event or Bond Event 3), a period of abrupt global aridification and drought starting around 2200 BC (approximately 4200 years ago). The site portrays this as potentially linked to a cosmic impact or cometary bombardment, rather than purely terrestrial causes.
  • Key References on the Site:
    • In posts from 2010–2020 (e.g., searches for "2200 BC" or "4.2 kya" on the site yield results like "The 4.2 Kiloyear Event" and discussions of Mike Baillie's work), Howard argues that tree-ring data (dendrochronology) shows anomalies around 2350–2200 BC, which could indicate atmospheric loading from comet fragments or impacts. Baillie, an Irish dendrochronologist, is cited for identifying "narrow ring" events in Irish oaks and bristlecone pines at dates like 2354–2345 BC, interpreted as possible evidence of cometary dust or impacts causing cooling and drought.
    • The site links this to the collapse of ancient civilizations (e.g., the Akkadian Empire in Mesopotamia around 2150 BC, the Old Kingdom in Egypt, and the Indus Valley Civilization), suggesting a cosmic trigger. Howard references theories from astronomers Clube and Napier (in books like The Cosmic Winter) about Earth passing through comet debris streams, potentially causing multiple impacts or airbursts.
    • A related but slightly earlier event discussed is the Burckle Crater hypothesis (proposed by Dallas Abbott et al.), a possible submarine impact crater in the Indian Ocean dated to around 3000–2800 BC. CosmicTusk.com sometimes connects this to a "cascade" of events extending to 2200 BC, including mega-tsunamis and climate disruption. Posts suggest chevron dunes in Madagascar and Australia as evidence of impact-generated tsunamis around this timeframe.
    • Howard also ties it to biblical or mythological accounts (e.g., flood myths or "fire from the sky") and promotes the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis (12,800 years ago) as a precedent for more recent impacts.
    • Evidence Cited: Proxy data like ice cores (showing sulfate spikes), tree rings, and sediment cores. However, the site acknowledges debate, noting that mainstream scientists often blame volcanism (e.g., a possible eruption) or solar cycles instead.
    • Site's Stance: Strongly pro-impact hypothesis, viewing 2200 BC as part of a pattern of Holocene cosmic catastrophes. No definitive "smoking gun" crater is identified for exactly 2200 BC, but it's framed as a "cometary swarm" event.
You can search the site directly (cosmicrotusk.com) using terms like "2200 BC," "4.2 kya," or "Akkadian collapse" for more details. Note: The site is advocacy-oriented and not peer-reviewed, so it blends science with speculation.2. Broader Internet Search (General Sources)Expanding beyond CosmicTusk.com, I searched using queries like "impact event 2200 BC," "4.2 kiloyear event cosmic impact," "Akkadian collapse comet," and "tree ring anomaly 2350 BC." Results from academic, scientific, and popular sources show that while the 4.2 kiloyear event is well-established as a major climate shift, evidence for a cosmic impact is speculative and not widely accepted in mainstream science. Instead, it's often explained by natural climate forcings. Here's a summary:
  • The 4.2 Kiloyear Event Overview:
    • This was a global megadrought lasting ~300 years (roughly 2200–1900 BC), causing arid conditions in regions like the Middle East, North Africa, South Asia, and parts of China. It coincided with the collapse of several civilizations:
      • Akkadian Empire (Mesopotamia): Abrupt end around 2150 BC, with evidence of dust storms and abandonment (per studies in Nature and Science).
      • Old Kingdom Egypt: Famine and societal breakdown.
      • Indus Valley: Shift to drier conditions leading to urban decline.
      • Liangzhu Culture (China): Flooding followed by drought.
    • Mainstream Causes: Attributed to changes in monsoon patterns, possibly triggered by orbital variations (Milankovitch cycles), reduced solar activity, or volcanic eruptions (e.g., a sulfate spike in ice cores). Sources: Wikipedia's "4.2-kiloyear event" page (well-sourced); a 2018 review in Quaternary Science Reviews by Weiss et al.; NASA Earth Observatory articles on Holocene climate.
  • Evidence for a Cosmic Impact?
    • Supportive (Fringe/Speculative) Sources:
      • Mike Baillie's book A New Light on the Black Death (2006) and papers (e.g., in Journal of Quaternary Science) discuss tree-ring "frost events" at 2354 BC, 1628 BC, etc., possibly from cometary volatiles or impacts. Some sites like Ancient Origins or Graham Hancock's blog echo this, linking it to myths of "celestial catastrophe."
      • The Burckle Crater (Indian Ocean): Proposed in a 2005 paper by Abbott et al. (AGU Fall Meeting abstract), dated to ~2800 BC but sometimes stretched to explain 2200 BC effects. Evidence includes impact melt rock and chevrons (tsunami deposits). Discussed on sites like Phys.org (2009 article) and in The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes by Firestone et al. (2006), which extends the Younger Dryas idea to later events.
      • A 2019 paper in Meteoritics & Planetary Science by Mahaney et al. suggests cosmic airbursts around 2200 BC based on spherules in sediments, but it's controversial.
      • Catastrophist forums (e.g., Thunderbolts.info or Reddit's r/CulturalLayer) speculate on comet swarms, citing Clube and Napier's The Cosmic Serpent (1982).
    • Skeptical/Mainstream Views:
      • No confirmed impact crater is definitively dated to exactly 2200 BC. NASA's Near-Earth Object program and the Earth Impact Database (maintained by the Planetary and Space Science Centre) list no major impacts in that timeframe. The closest are older (e.g., Rio Cuarto in Argentina, ~4000 BC, but debated) or younger (e.g., Kaali crater in Estonia, ~500 BC).
      • A 2020 study in PNAS (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences) by Ran et al. attributes the event to natural aridification without needing cosmic intervention.
      • Volcanism is a stronger candidate: Ice cores from Greenland (GISP2) show sulfate peaks around 2350 BC, likely from eruptions like Hekla in Iceland (per Sigl et al., Nature, 2015).
      • Debunking: Sites like Skeptical Science or Bad Astronomy (Phil Plait's blog) dismiss impact claims as lacking direct evidence, comparing them to pseudoscience.
  • Related Events or Misattributions:
    • Sometimes confused with the Younger Dryas Impact (12,800 years ago) or the Tall el-Hammam airburst (proposed ~1650 BC, linked to Sodom by some; see 2021 Scientific Reports paper).
    • Mythological ties: Some internet sources (e.g., Ancient Aliens-style articles on History.com) link 2200 BC to Sumerian tales of gods hurling fire, but this is speculative.
ConclusionOn CosmicTusk.com, the 2200 BC timeframe is prominently linked to the 4.2 kiloyear event as a potential cosmic impact or cometary event, supported by tree-ring and sediment data but presented through a catastrophist lens. Broader searches confirm the climate event but find little mainstream support for an impact—it's more often seen as climatic or volcanic. If this is tied to a specific theory (e.g., Baillie's work), I recommend reading his book Exodus to Arthur for depth. If you have more details or a different angle (e.g., a specific crater), I can refine the search!

In the period around 1650 there were apparently several cataclysms:
  • Tall el-Hammam event (Jordan valley) - around 1650 BCE - a catastrophic cosmic airburst that destroyed the Bronze Age city-state (biblical Sodom); there is also this tablet that puts the Sodom to year 3123BC - so, if I assume that both are wrong due to dating, the middle is around 2300BC?
  • Eruption of Aniakchak (North America) - around 1628 BCE -
Tree-ring data has shown that a large event interfering with normal tree growth in North America occurred during 1629-1628 (±65 years) BCE. Evidence of a climatic event around 1628 BCE has been found in studies of growth depression of European oaks in Ireland and of Scotch pines in Sweden. Bristlecone pine frost rings also indicate a date of 1627 BCE, supporting the late 1600s BCE dating.

However, McAneney and Baillie argue that there is a chronological error in the Greenland ice core dates with ice core dates being around 14 years too old in the 17th century BCE, thus implying that the eruption of Aniakchak, and not Thera, may have been the cause of the climatic upset evidenced by northern hemisphere tree-rings around 1627 BCE

The Cs put the destruction of Troy to 1100 BCE.
Then, as listed here: Meteorites, Asteroids, and Comets: Damages, Disasters, Injuries, Deaths, and Very Close Calls
  • 1159 B.C. - Collapse of Shang and Mycenean cultures. Collapse of the Bronze Age in the Mediterranean region.
Grok summary of the event:
Below is a summary of my search results for an impact event (or related cosmic catastrophe) around 1100 BC. I first focused on the website CosmicTusk.com (run by George Howard, which promotes the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis and other cosmic impact theories throughout history). Then, I expanded to the broader internet, including academic papers, news articles, databases, and forums. Note that 1100 BC corresponds to approximately 3,100–3,200 years before present (BP, using 2024 as the reference year), which aligns with the Late Bronze Age and the period of the "Bronze Age collapse" (ca. 1200–1100 BC).I used search terms like "impact event 1100 BC," "comet 1100 BC," "Bronze Age cosmic catastrophe," and "1159 BC event" on CosmicTusk.com's search function, archives, and related links. For the broader internet, I queried Google Scholar, NASA’s Earth Impact Database, Wikipedia, academic journals (e.g., via JSTOR and ScienceDirect), and sites like Phys.org, LiveScience, and ancient history forums. There is no definitively confirmed meteorite/asteroid impact crater dated precisely to 1100 BC, but there are speculative theories linking cosmic events (e.g., comets, airbursts, or dust veils) to climatic and societal disruptions around that time.According to CosmicTusk.comCosmicTusk.com frequently discusses historical cosmic impacts and airbursts, often drawing on dendrochronology (tree-ring data), ice cores, and ancient texts to support the idea that cometary fragments or swarms have influenced human history. While the site’s primary focus is the Younger Dryas event (~10,900 BC), it covers Holocene events, including those tied to Bronze Age disruptions. Here's what I found relevant to ~1100 BC:
  • The 1159 BC Event (Linked to Cometary Activity):
    • CosmicTusk.com highlights the work of astronomer and dendrochronologist Mike Baillie (Queen's University Belfast), who proposes that a cometary encounter or fragmentation event around 1159 BC caused a global climatic downturn. This is discussed in several posts, such as:
      • A 2010 post titled "Baillie: Comets and Civilizations" (and related archives), where Baillie’s book Exodus to Arthur: Catastrophic Encounters with Comets (1999) is referenced. Baillie identifies "narrow tree-ring growth" events (indicating cold, dusty conditions) at dates like 1628 BC, 1159 BC, 207 BC, and AD 540, attributing them to cometary dust loading the atmosphere or possible airbursts/impacts.
      • In a 2012 post on "Catastrophe at the End of the Bronze Age," the site links the 1159 BC tree-ring anomaly to the Late Bronze Age collapse (ca. 1200–1100 BC), suggesting a comet swarm or fragment could have caused widespread environmental stress, including crop failures, famines, and societal upheaval. This is tied to ancient myths (e.g., Greek legends of Phaethon’s chariot as a comet metaphor) and Chinese astronomical records of "guest stars" or comets around that era.
      • The site notes that this event coincides with the "Bond Event 2" (a Holocene cooling period ~3,000–2,800 BP), potentially amplified by cometary debris rather than just volcanic activity (e.g., the Hekla 3 eruption in Iceland, dated to ~1159 BC).
    • Evidence Cited on the Site:
      • Tree-ring data from Irish oaks, German trees, and Anatolian samples show a sharp growth decline around 1159–1141 BC, implying atmospheric dust veils (possibly from cometary impacts or airbursts).
      • Ice core data from Greenland (e.g., GISP2) shows spikes in ammonium, nitrate, and other markers consistent with biomass burning or cosmic influx.
      • No specific crater is mentioned, but the site speculates on airbursts (like Tunguska in 1908) over the Mediterranean or Near East, which could explain the lack of a large crater while still causing regional devastation.
    • Connection to Broader Theories: CosmicTusk.com frames this as part of a pattern of "comet storms" every few centuries, influencing events like the fall of Mycenaean Greece, the Hittite Empire, and Egyptian instability. They also reference Victor Clube and Bill Napier's The Cosmic Serpent (1982), which posits periodic comet encounters from the Taurid meteor stream peaking around that time.
  • Other Nearby Events Discussed:
    • The site mentions the Tall el-Hammam airburst (~1650 BC, or 3.7 ka BP), which is earlier but sometimes grouped with Bronze Age cosmic theories.
    • No exact match for "1100 BC," but 1159 BC is the closest proxy, often rounded to the 12th century BC in discussions.
CosmicTusk.com treats these as hypotheses rather than proven facts, emphasizing the need for more research. They link to related papers and encourage reader comments, many of which speculate on biblical or mythological ties (e.g., the "Sea Peoples" invasions as refugees from cosmic-disrupted regions).According to the Internet at LargeExpanding beyond CosmicTusk.com, the broader web and academic sources reveal similar speculative links between cosmic events and the ~1100 BC period, but with more skepticism. Mainstream science attributes the Bronze Age collapse primarily to non-cosmic factors like droughts, earthquakes, invasions, and trade disruptions (as in Eric Cline's book 1177 B.C.: The Year Civilization Collapsed, 2014). However, some researchers propose cosmic influences as contributing factors. Here's a synthesis:
  • Speculative Cosmic Events Around 1100 BC:
    • 1159 BC Cometary/Veil Event (Baillie's Hypothesis):
      • Widely discussed online, echoing CosmicTusk.com. Baillie's tree-ring data is cited in sources like:
        • A 2004 paper in Journal of Archaeological Science by Baillie and McAneney, linking 1159 BC to atmospheric loading (possibly cometary or volcanic).
        • Wikipedia's "Bond Events" page lists Bond Event 2 (~2,800 BP, or ~850 BC, but sometimes extended to include 1159 BC anomalies).
        • Phys.org and LiveScience articles (e.g., a 2013 piece on "Comets and Historical Catastrophes") reference Baillie's work, suggesting cometary dust caused a "mini ice age" lasting ~18 years, contributing to famines and migrations.
      • Chinese Bamboo Annals record a "rain of stars" or comet sightings around 1100–1050 BC, interpreted by some (e.g., in forums like Graham Hancock's site) as a comet breakup.
    • Kaali Meteorite Impact (Estonia):
      • Dated broadly to 3,200–2,400 BP (~1200–400 BC), with some estimates around 1100–800 BC based on radiocarbon from impact-ejected peat.
      • NASA's Earth Impact Database and the Planetary and Space Science Centre (PASSC) list it as a confirmed impact with 9 small craters (largest ~110 meters wide) from a ~30–80 meter iron meteorite.
      • Effects: Local devastation over 1 km², with legends in Estonian/Finnish folklore of "fire from the sky." A 2012 study in Meteoritics & Planetary Science refines the date to ~3,000 BP (1000 BC), but it's debated (some say older, ~5,000 BP).
      • Online discussions (e.g., Reddit's r/AskHistorians, Ancient Origins.net) link it speculatively to Baltic region disruptions but not the broader Bronze Age collapse.
    • Other Proposed Events:
      • Mediterranean Airburst Hypothesis: Marie-Agnès Courty (French geologist) has papers (e.g., 2008 in Geology) on "cosmic airbursts" around 2350 BC and possibly 1200 BC, with "black mat" layers (impact proxies like nanodiamonds and melt-glass) in Syrian and Egyptian sites. Discussed on sites like Academia.edu and Tusk's affiliates, but dates are approximate.
      • Taurid Meteor Stream Peaks: Clube and Napier's theory (echoed on space.com and astronomy forums) suggests the Taurids (remnants of Comet Encke) were more active ~3,000 BP, potentially causing airbursts. A 2020 paper in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society models increased activity around 1000 BC.
      • Chinese Comet Records: Oracle bones from the Shang Dynasty (~1100 BC) describe comets or "falling stars," per a 2015 study in Astronomy & Astrophysics. Some fringe sites (e.g., Sitchin-inspired forums) claim these indicate impacts, but no evidence.
  • Evidence and Debates:
    • Supporting Data: Tree-rings, ice cores (e.g., sulfate spikes), and sediment cores show cooling/dust around 1200–1100 BC. A 2018 study in PNAS on Dead Sea pollen indicates abrupt drought, possibly cosmic-triggered.
    • Skepticism: The Smithsonian, USGS, and NASA emphasize that Hekla 3 (volcanic) is the more likely cause of the 1159 BC cooling. No large crater exists for 1100 BC in the Earth Impact Database (the closest are Rio Cuarto in Argentina, ~10,000–1,000 BP, but poorly dated). Critics call cosmic links "pseudoscience" (e.g., on Skeptical Science).
    • Cultural Impacts: If real, such an event could explain myths like the biblical "Joshua's long day" or Atlantis legends, per speculative books like Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision (1950), but these are dismissed by academics.
  • Key Sources:
    • Academic: Baillie's A Slice Through Time (1995); Cline's 1177 B.C. (mentions climate but not comets).
    • News/科普: BBC's "The Day the Sun Stood Still?" (2009); Ancient-Origins.net articles on Bronze Age comets.
    • Databases: NASA's NEO program lists no confirmed impacts for that date; PASSC has Kaali as the nearest.
In summary, CosmicTusk.com points to the 1159 BC cometary event as the most relevant, tied to Baillie's research on climate catastrophes. The broader internet supports this as a hypothesis but favors volcanic explanations, with Kaali as the only semi-confirmed impact nearby in time. If you meant a different date or event (e.g., 1100 AD), or want details on a specific source, let me know!

So, these are the events, more or less.

Nefertiti´s reign was according to main stream c. 1353–1336 BCE, but the Cs said that Nefertiti/Sarah and "Abraham" saga happened around 1629-1627 BC.

Q: (The Mexicans) Did the events of Nefertiti and Akhenaten happen geographically in Egypt?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Now, I have a little problem with my writing. First of all, did the eruption of Thera occur in 1627 BC or thereabouts?

A: Close.

Q: (L) What stimulated the eruption of Thera?

A: Venus.

{Here I think that "Venus" is a code for the giant comet described by Victor Clube}

Q: (L) Well, about 40 years after that there was the comet cluster, in 1588 BC, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Well, it seems that Nefertiti disappeared from history in the 12th year of the reign of Akhenaten. He then died in the 17th year of his reign. If Nefertiti was Sarah, where was she during this five year period, if Akhenaten died going after her when Abraham/Moses carried her off?

A: Locked up.

Q: (L) So, Nefertiti is Sarah and Abraham came and rescued her somehow, is that correct?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And that happened at the time of the passage of the comet cluster, between 1627 BC and 1588 BC - dramatic events which is what enabled that particular drama to take place...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So Abraham retrieved Sarah and Akhenaten went after them and drowned in the river or something?

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, from 1627 BC to 1588 BC - that's 39 years - almost exactly 40 years of "wandering in the desert," so to say. So they must have escaped when Thera blew and forty years later, the comets came.

I think we should formulate some more questions for the next session.

1) Are the events depicted in the Iliad and Odyssey a (very obscure!) portrayal of a single cataclysmic event?

My guess is that
  • the "Troy vs Greeks" war itself (as per Iliad) is reminiscent of much older war "Atlanteans vs Athenians" which happened around/before the final destruction of Atlantis that was around 10.9K BCE, mixed up with
  • the story of Helen/Nefertiti ("a foreign princess"/deep level punctuator; events from 1629-1627 BC) where she is important as the central figure. "Helen" was sent "from the deep" after mayor cataclysms - eruption of Thera, eruption of Aniakchak, el-Hammam (cometary event) - to reshape the history; Nefertiti wanted to introduce monotheistic Sun-God worship as opposed to monotheism and apparently was hated for it. Reminds me how in "From Yahweh to Zion" the Yahwism was seen by the Egyptians as the religion of the Seth/Satan and as anti-Osirism. Also reminds me of the Viracocha(s) (another deep level punctuator who also came after cataclysms):
Viracocha was the supreme Inca god, a synthesis of sun god and storm god.
...
the Viracocha were so hated that the people rose up against them and massacred them, but that a couple of them escaped across the
ocean. This is the most likely scenario considering all of the evidence. It also reminds us of the hatred of the Egyptian labyrinth. We should note that there are significant artistic representations in both South America and Egypt of “black headed” peoples sacrificing blond or red-headed men. The term “viracocha” also refers to a group of men named the suncasapa or “bearded ones” – they were the mythic soldiers of Viracocha, also called the “angelic warriors of Viracocha”. Later one of the Inca Kings (the eighth Inca ruler) took the name of Viracocha. But in all cases, we see the “hint” that they were Aryans was provided by the Spanish friars, and is not supported by the archaeological evidence.

Knight-Jadczyk, Laura. The Secret History of the World and How to Get Out Alive (p. 495-6). Red Pill Press. Kindle Edition.
  • (Also in the Iliad, here we have a symbolism of usurping the maiden? Suppression of the Goddess, as Helen in the story was actually very meek?)

2) If so, was this the event in 1100BC?
The actual destruction of Troy could be 1100 BC (the Cs) which is quite close to Baillie´s 1159 BC event from the Late Bronze Age collapse (ca. 1200–1100 BC), suggesting that the Troy was destroyed by or as a consequence on the environment by the comet swarm or fragment, with many smaller events around it.

3) Was there a war involving the city of Troy (in England) immediately preceding the cataclysm?

4) If so, who was the other participant(s) in this war and what were they fighting over?
My idea is that the story is actually that first Atlanteans vs Athenians war, which would mean that this epic covers 1000 years(!) of history. If there was A Trojan War around 1100 BC and who were the sides in this war is a question, yes.

The Cs also said that:
(Altair) Did the Trojan War really happen as depicted in the Iliad?

A: No

Q: (Altair) If not, what was the inspiration for writing The Iliad?

A: Cataclysms.

Q: (L) So what was being depicted was basically kind of like a recounting of the cataclysms depicted as kind of like other densities fighting and this being represented on Earth as cataclysms?

A: Yes

Q:
(Andromeda) A docudrama.

(L) A docudrama, yes.

After the destruction of Atlantis, the survivors migrated to Canary Island, Egypt, and S. America (Inca). The Europe was dominated by religion of the Goddess so again here might be a war where influences from the south (or south-east) were coming and if not a real war that preceded the fall of Troy, perhaps it was depiction of an ongoing spiritual war in supressing the Goddess, rather than A war, where in Iliad we have a memory of a woman who caused the rift between the two nations - two religions? - which subsequently caused a final destruction of the Troy by cometary bombardment in the same way as Atlantis was thousand years before, all mixed up in a one huge epic. OSIT.

But, again, there very well could be that there was an actual Trojan War (around 1100 BC), with the parties (as per Wilkens, England and co. vs France and co.), as of yet unconfirmed.
 
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