Where will the 'safe belt' be?

[Mark7]

You know what?

Right now, an economic collapse would almost be preferable to the stress of not knowing if I'll have rent money in twenty-five days. More contracts are folding, more money leaking away. More bills I can't pay.

However, if everything falls apart, if everybody says, "Yup. It's broke. She's done-for!" then I wouldn't feel guilty about letting down my kindly landlord because he'd be in the same boat and we could get on with helping each other using real skills and effectively applied energy. I've got cupboards filled with food, I've got tools and I know how to build things, how to insulate structures, all kinds of useful things like that. Many people around here are similarly equipped, all ready to fill in the gaps of an economic collapse. I'd feel, "Okay! Now THESE kinds of problems I know how to solve. I can be applying myself in a useful way rather than slaving to earn a few bucks to give to arbitrary bank masters. What a waste of energy that is!"

I realize it would be horribly frightening for many people who still have gainful employment and money resources, but I'm beginning to champ at the bit because in a 'functioning' economy, I'm pretty close to being totally washed up; so many support systems and resources have been cut out from beneath me, (it seems deliberate in a Matrix kind of way).

If I go down early, before the rest of my community is affected, then I just go down and in a year's time I wonder if I'll be in a position to be of any use to anybody. I need an excuse to stop wasting my time chasing money for the banks.

Yeah, I know where you are coming from. I don't think we have long to wait, and may we all be able to act at the right time. Control, forbearance, discipline and timing!

 

[D Rusak]

Ditto here.

 

[Aiming]

Really interesting posts everybody (thanks for the links to those other threads, Legolas). When I was starting this thread I was, as you've probably guessed, in the mindset of "How do I get out of here, how can I save myself physically?'. In the meantime I've changed my mind. I'm with Woodsman on this: if I survive physically, then the times of people needing to come together and exchanging skills and helping each other is gonna be an interesting and challenging learning experience in itself. Knowledge on psychopathy will be very important and will need to be shared with others. Until then, I'll store as much food as I can and educate myself about survivial techniques in the wilderness. The good thing about EE is that you can do it everywhere, even when you're sleeping out in a forest, and if you're lucky you'll have some good people around you and skills and strength can be combined in whatever may come one's way. And this way, EE will be a very essential tool for just about every survivor, regardless whether transition inclined or not. So we should make sure to be able to do EE without the audio, because it could be that batteries may become sparse. ;)

Another thing that I find very helpful is this quote from Laura from another thread:

I would say, don't start planning on moving or agitating over it, start working on making yourself valuable enough to the Universe that IT sees you as necessary for the future - then you can be sure that the opportunity will be given to you.

 

[Nawd]

My thoughts as well! I think I could be more successful as a human with skills than as a wage slave.

Ditto here.

 

[Gawan]

Maybe just for a minor comparison:

and (from some days ago: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/223034-World-of-two-halves-Map-shows-most-of-Northern-Hemisphere-is-covered-in-snow-and-ice )

 

[davey72]

Thanks Gandalf, I've apparently missed the obvious.

Is anyone already making plans to relocate?

I've thought about relocation (being in Wisconsin, US), but given my situation, I don't see it as feasible right now.

One of my goals for this year is to come up with a plan for temporary relocation. Basically a quick list of items to pack up in the trailer so I can move in a hurry if necessary. This will require a small investment, but I think it might be worth in given the situation the world is headed towards.

There's no guarantee that travel will be feasible when the poo hits the fan, so all of this may be for naught. I'm hoping that by keeping a close eye on the objective reality left and right, I'll be ahead of the game and see things unfolding before any actual mass migration or relocation occurs in my area. All of this may be wishful thinking, however.

I'm not sure there's any way to really tell where will be a safe area until events start to unfold. With big brother, possible war, cometary bombardment, supervolcanos, superstorms, etc., I don't know if there is anywhere on the globe guaranteed as "safe".

I am not sure that i will even have the ability to travel "legally" I have a drug charge from when i was a juvenile, so i need a pardon, and/or waiver, which will, apparently take five years to get. I can only hope the area i am in won't be too bad.
I remember the c's stating that if you are doing your own thing, you will always be in the right place. Like Noah building the ark, cause it was a fun thing for him to do, and then having it come in handy at the right time.

 

[Piotrek]

From Session Aug 28, 1999:

Q: Anything in particular we should be watching for?
A: No. Be open to all possibilities.
Q: Are we on the verge of a) an alien invasion; b) a cometary
impact; c) the appearance of a twin sun, a death star in our
solar system?
A: Wait and see.
Q: I don't want to wait and see! (A) Wait and see! When it hits
us, we will know! (L) Let me ask this....
A: What a glorious transition to 4th density STO. With maybe
a quick stopover in 5th just to pick up a few things for the trip!
Q: Are you saying that we are getting ready for the Big
Kahuna?
A: Only Don Ho knows for sure.
Q: What?!
A: Well, you did say "Kahuna," yes?
Q: Okay, you have repeatedly, in the past year, alluded to
something that we are supposed to be watching for, that we
are supposed to 'enjoy the show,' and all that sort of thing.
Now you have made this remark about 5th density, where 3rd
density goes at death. Are you suggesting that a lot of folks
are going to check out?
A: Maybe we were trying to Lighten things up a bit!
Q: That's all fine and good, but I just want one word here, a
clue about what is coming down in the near future that you
are making all these hints about... just a one word clue?
A: KABOOM!

Woodsman, thanks for the quote.
I darn-near peed myself reading that one.
I realize the topic is serious, but the C's have a great sense of humor. :D

I personally am not planning to go anywhere (currently in New Jersey, U.S.A.) except, maybe, to Pennsylvania to get a little farm.
I'll try to learn as much as I can for as long as I can -- to advance my understanding and being as much as I can (and help those who ask).
Once "the show" comes our way, I'll do my best to enjoy it

 

[davey72]

Probably most of Canada would be uninhabitable, in a mini ice age.

There would be hoards of folks trying to come south, and there wouldn`t be much two way traffic, in that case.

Then there is the " other Border" issues, and all the "illegal" Mexicans being allowed to stay in the U.S and more coming in isn`t exactly discouraged either, could this be to allow a large Mexican population to relocate north, so that others can move further south later, with little or no opposition from Mexicans in the way?

Then they could actually secure the Border, and leave those people stuck in the north while simply taking over the land they have vacated in the south!

Not that I think there is such an insidious plan, but nothing would surprise me anymore.
There's just something odd with the southern Border and the seeming total lack of "control" over thousands of people coming in there, that makes a person suspicious about why that is, I guess.

Oh, great!! I have no way of leaving canada, either legally, or monetarily. I think i am gonna start contributing as much as i can to the newly formed "cass church" and just hope for the best.
They are talking about visas to enter the states through canada now.

 

[davey72]

(Galaxia) I have a question. Are some of the people in the US going to see what's happening and get out?

A: Some.

wILL THIS INCLUDE Canada? Seems to me that we are pretty tied up with the states.

 

[D69]

I am not sure that i will even have the ability to travel "legally" I have a drug charge from when i was a juvenile, so i need a pardon, and/or waiver, which will, apparently take five years to get. I can only hope the area i am in won't be too bad.
I remember the c's stating that if you are doing your own thing, you will always be in the right place. Like Noah building the ark, cause it was a fun thing for him to do, and then having it come in handy at the right time.

Heh legally or not , my idea is to travel to a place that will be habitable for that moment in time :)
Also building some sort of vehicle enhancements is a fun , it gives me a lot of joy and relaxes me. Also I am definitely learning a lot by playing with that kind of stuff.

__http://www.4x4offroads.com/nissan-patrol-1993.html

That would be a cool vehicle to move around :D

 

[SilverJeep]

I think a common sense approach on how to look at a "safe" area would be to look at how it is now and how it would be if you multiplied current weather cycles.

There's no way to plan around comets, or weather cycles that have never happened before (ie: Blizzard in San Diego). So if it were me, I would stay away from the coast, stay away from large cities, stay away from areas that are plagued with natural disasters already. Look for abundant fresh water.

Questions to ask yourself about your area:
1. How hot are the summers?
2. How harsh are the winters?
3. What current natural disasters does this area experience? (blizzard, earthquake, drought, flood, hurricane, tornado, volcano)
4. what is the elevation?
5. Is there fresh water available?
6. How far from the coast?

Just some thoughts.

 

[koin]

I am not sure that i will even have the ability to travel "legally" I have a drug charge from when i was a juvenile, so i need a pardon, and/or waiver, which will, apparently take five years to get. I can only hope the area i am in won't be too bad.
I remember the c's stating that if you are doing your own thing, you will always be in the right place. Like Noah building the ark, cause it was a fun thing for him to do, and then having it come in handy at the right time.

Heh legally or not , my idea is to travel to a place that will be habitable for that moment in time :)
Also building some sort of vehicle enhancements is a fun , it gives me a lot of joy and relaxes me. Also I am definitely learning a lot by playing with that kind of stuff.

__http://www.4x4offroads.com/nissan-patrol-1993.html

That would be a cool vehicle to move around :D

Nice!

One problem though. How many km/miles per tank? :P

 

[Divide by Zero]

I am not sure that i will even have the ability to travel "legally" I have a drug charge from when i was a juvenile, so i need a pardon, and/or waiver, which will, apparently take five years to get. I can only hope the area i am in won't be too bad.
I remember the c's stating that if you are doing your own thing, you will always be in the right place. Like Noah building the ark, cause it was a fun thing for him to do, and then having it come in handy at the right time.

Heh legally or not , my idea is to travel to a place that will be habitable for that moment in time :)
Also building some sort of vehicle enhancements is a fun , it gives me a lot of joy and relaxes me. Also I am definitely learning a lot by playing with that kind of stuff.

__http://www.4x4offroads.com/nissan-patrol-1993.html

That would be a cool vehicle to move around :D

I agree that it is pretty cool, I myself lifted my car almost 2 inches higher a few years ago as it sat too low and caused problems in winter.

However, extreme modifications will not help much. If the snow was that high, would there be fuel delivered to the fuel stations?

These trucks that we see run in artic/antarctic conditions have teams that carry fuel for them. For us, we are out on our own!

 

[D69]

One problem though. How many km/miles per tank?

Good point :D
But I`ll bet I can find plenty of plastic to refine oil on some sort of furnace and run on it :D
There is also a possibility of electric engine that runs o batteries that in turn are recharged by solar panels or portable wind turbine.
It won't be a power monster but will allow to move :D