Who is going to love the reptilians

Padme said:
what I meant about fear is when man runs, dogs chase him.
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That's only one part of the equation. When dogs chase him, the man runs :)
 
mkrnhr said:
It was a joke...
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now I'm curious, will you care to explain it to me please, my language is not English as you may have noticed :/
 
Scribblenauts said:
now I'm curious, will you care to explain it to me please, my language is not English as you may have noticed :/
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When you explain a joke it's no more funny. You said "I would say you just encounter your self", and I replied something in the sense of "I encounter my predator's mind" (the beast in the jungle etc.).
 
Padme said:
what I meant about fear is when man runs, dogs chase him.
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That's interesting !, thank you
why do you think dogs chase him for running ?, as I said all is love.. the man runs because he loves himself, he doesn't want to take the chance to be injured or hurt or something like that by the dog, you see! he loves himself, and he also loves the dog, I mean he didn't choose to kill the dog, he chose to run

now what is the dog's point of view I wonder, could it also be love ?!
 
mkrnhr said:
Scribblenauts said:
now I'm curious, will you care to explain it to me please, my language is not English as you may have noticed :/
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When you explain a joke it's no more funny. You said "I would say you just encounter your self", and I replied something in the sense of "I encounter my predator's mind" (the beast in the jungle etc.).
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Oh! I see now, but I really meant after you get rid of the predators mind, it's a trojan and when you get rid of it there will be nothing left but your self
 
Scribblenauts said:
That's interesting !, thank you
why do you think dogs chase him for running ?, as I said all is love.. the man runs because he loves himself, he doesn't want to take the chance to be injured or hurt or something like that by the dog, you see! he loves himself, and he also loves the dog, I mean he didn't choose to kill the dog, he chose to run

now what is the dog's point of view I wonder, could it also be love ?!
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Also, on the same idea there is a story quoted in this chapter of the Wave http://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/08/the-wave-chapter-8-everywhere-you-look-there-is-the-face-of-god/

In a forest there lived a holy man who had many disciples. One day he taught them to see God in all beings and therefore to bow low before them all.

A disciple went to the forest to gather wood for the sacrificial fire. Suddenly he heard an outcry: ‘Get out of the way! A mad elephant is coming!’

All but the disciple of the holy man took to their heels. He reasoned that the elephant was also God in another form. Then why should he run away from it? He stood still, bowed before the animal, and began to sing its praises.

The mahut (handler) of the elephant shouted: ‘Run away! Run away!’ But the disciple didn’t move.

The animal seized him with its trunk, cast him to one side, and went on its way.

Hurt and bruised, the disciple lay unconscious on the ground. Hearing what had happened, his teacher and his brother disciples came to him and carried him to the hermitage. With the help of some medicine he soon regained consciousness.

Someone asked him, ‘You knew the elephant was coming; why didn’t you leave the place?’

‘But,’ he said, ‘our teacher told us that God Himself has taken all these forms, of animals as well as men. Therefore, thinking it was only the elephant God that was coming I didn’t run away.’

At this the teacher said: ‘Yes, my child, it is true that the elephant God was coming; but the mahut God forbade you to stay there. Since all are manifestations of God, why didn’t you listen to God in the mahut?’[\quote]
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mkrnhr said:
Scribblenauts said:
That's interesting !, thank you
why do you think dogs chase him for running ?, as I said all is love.. the man runs because he loves himself, he doesn't want to take the chance to be injured or hurt or something like that by the dog, you see! he loves himself, and he also loves the dog, I mean he didn't choose to kill the dog, he chose to run

now what is the dog's point of view I wonder, could it also be love ?!
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Also, on the same idea there is a story quoted in this chapter of the Wave http://cassiopaea.org/2010/05/08/the-wave-chapter-8-everywhere-you-look-there-is-the-face-of-god/

In a forest there lived a holy man who had many disciples. One day he taught them to see God in all beings and therefore to bow low before them all.

A disciple went to the forest to gather wood for the sacrificial fire. Suddenly he heard an outcry: ‘Get out of the way! A mad elephant is coming!’

All but the disciple of the holy man took to their heels. He reasoned that the elephant was also God in another form. Then why should he run away from it? He stood still, bowed before the animal, and began to sing its praises.

The mahut (handler) of the elephant shouted: ‘Run away! Run away!’ But the disciple didn’t move.

The animal seized him with its trunk, cast him to one side, and went on its way.

Hurt and bruised, the disciple lay unconscious on the ground. Hearing what had happened, his teacher and his brother disciples came to him and carried him to the hermitage. With the help of some medicine he soon regained consciousness.

Someone asked him, ‘You knew the elephant was coming; why didn’t you leave the place?’

‘But,’ he said, ‘our teacher told us that God Himself has taken all these forms, of animals as well as men. Therefore, thinking it was only the elephant God that was coming I didn’t run away.’

At this the teacher said: ‘Yes, my child, it is true that the elephant God was coming; but the mahut God forbade you to stay there. Since all are manifestations of God, why didn’t you listen to God in the mahut?’[\quote]
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Amazing, thank you
You know Ibn Arabi explained the reality we experience as humans as the "realm of the Names of God", in Islam, God taught Adam (the first human) all the Names, I think that what Ibn Arabi interpreted as being a human means to be "the realm" where the "Names of God" can manifest and see Themselves through you, so that They can experience Themselves in physical terms, so to be a human that means to experience all the Names, which.. by Their nature will oppose each other, I mean Good and Evil, Comfort and Discomfort, Fill and Hunger, Health and Sickness.. etc (and that should make us think about creatures other than humans, which were not taught all the Names i.e Some names cannot manifest through them, of course their realities will be far different than ours, I mean for example some creatures don't know Pain, also Names are made up of Letters, so what about the realm of the Letters, what kind of creatures manifest that realm, and Letters don't oppose each other, so what their reality will look like?

as a human, to look and see God, is to look for the Names, to see the Names, to see for example Fluidity and Solidity, to see that you are just an observer, an eye moved by Names all the time, for example Knowledge wants to manifest through you so It moves you to some knowledge sources a book, a website or a documentary maybe, so that It can experience Itself physically, now think about Eden, the Fall and the Tree of Knowledge

in the quote you posted, and as I said to see God everywhere is to look for and see the Names, so "to bow low before them all" is to allow all of Them to move you and manifest through you
so the disciple here for example bowed for tons of Names like Refusal, Ignorance, Stillness, Faith, Trust, Courage, Hurt, Injury, Unconsciousness ... etc, that means he saw and experienced God whether he likes it or not (and that applies to us all), the trick is "The Choice", now .. again .. think about Eden, the Fall and the Tree of Knowledge, but this time consider the terms STO and STS as well

I "hope" this helps :)

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I forgot to say that, what the holy man meant by "to bow low before them all" is : to avoid choice, the personal choice input
 
Padme said:
but isn't it our fear that creates that reality in which they prosecute us? are we not being mislead? I'm saying that maybe it's a matter of perception?
my take is everything needs to be loved and instead of war I hope there is peace
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I would say that everything needs to be known - love may follow or not, as the case may be. For example, you can know the rattlesnake that crosses your path, you can know that it may bite you, and that its bite is poisonous. Having knowledge of the snake and understanding its life, you can love it for what it is - a manifestation of the cosmic mind - in a kind of detached way, understanding that it is an aspect of one of the names of god, and that its function is to kill other creatures with its poison and eat them. But would you put yourself in harm's way?

The same goes for the 'reptilians'. We need to learn as much as we can about 'reptilian' psychology and methods of functioning, so we can remove ourselves, as far as possible, from harm's way. For the 'reptilians' most certainly do not have our best interests at heart.

Also, it's worth considering that we humans have a part of our brain that is sometimes called the 'reptilian brain'. It's the most primitive part of the brain and can be extremely cold, calculating, ruthless and lacking in empathy and conscience. Some creatures on this planet - psychopaths - look exactly like you and me, but they are, in essence, functionally reptilian.

Therefore one could say that, if our aim is to develop conscience and being, the battle against the reptilians is within and through us - against the reptilian parts of our mind - just as the Cs say.
 
I think part of the problem is the definition of the word "love". For the STO side, love means to reverence the god within the other and celebrate creative diversity. For STS, love means to assimilate and reduce all to singleness.

So, when one of the STO orientation "loves" one of the STS orientation, or vice versa, obviously, there are going to be issues.

See: Stalking or Precis on The Good and The Evil
http://cassiopaea.org/2010/09/14/michael-topper-on-stalking/
 
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