Why are you single?

I get asked this question 2-3 times a week and to tell you the truth it annoys me. Why do others feel that people should be in relationships? I also know of a lot of people in un happy relationships, why do they create their own problems by staying with that person.

I believe people need to take more pride in themselves and stop looking outside to others to better their life. If you find someone you like spending time with then by all means get to know that person and see where that goes.

This is just me venting as I find it offensive when someone says, "Why are you single." like I am expected to be with someone.

I know that if I was 100% happy with being single then these comments wouldn’t bother me, but regardless of that I find it interesting that being single is questioned.

Just like anything else in life there are positives and negatives - to being single and being in a relationship. I just don't know why when someone is single other people ask "Why"

I get asked that question all the time as well. In America everybody has the mind set that they have to have sex or have a girlfriend. Or multiple girls at that and
I get the same question all the time "is you a version".

But I would expect that from a country that promotes sex and make it seems like sex is the best thing in nature. I had one girlfriend in my life and at the time
when me and her became boyfriend and girlfriend I realize me and her had nothing in common.

I tried multiple times to find me another girl friend throughout my life and it just didn't work. Especially since a lot of them is so full of them selfs and just looking
for sex. I never understood why my family and everybody else wanted me to have a girlfriend so bad still don't. Every time I would go out with my cousin or friends
they always want to talk to random girls on the street, and I never and still don't like that especially since a lot of girls always turn me down.

But I had to realize that I need a girl who has a mind similar to mines and who accept me for who I am. Instead of trying to get a girlfriend just to be having one
with nothing in common.
 
Menna said:
Floetas - You said your ego feels pretty vulnerable. I’ve had that feeling many times. It almost feels like im FREE. It should make you realize that the ego is not you. I believe I said in a previous topic that during conversations I sometimes feel the need to build up my ego. I recognize what I have done and at this point my ego feels vulnerable because I have recognized it. This is a very odd feeling and I know the ego is not me it is something alien. Your ego most likely feels vulnerable because you were so honest and during times of honesty you realize your own ego and during that time the ego feels vulnerable because you are face to face to it. The ego needs food and just like something that needs food it needs to be fed over and over again. I think that’s why Facebook is so popular.

Hi Meena, speaking of egos, is there a reason that you use that particular picture of yourself as an avatar? You say your ego feels pretty vulnerable, is this "buff" picture of your perhaps an unconscious effort to boost your ego in the eyes of the "public"? You'll notice a lot of folks here use something that is symbolic to them, so perhaps you really are identified with "yourself'?

Apologies if I'm "barking up the wrong tree" but it just seems more suited to a dating forum than some place of this nature...
 
Mrs. Peel said:
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Apologies if I'm "barking up the wrong tree" but it just seems more suited to a dating forum than some place of this nature...
FWIW I had exactly the same thought
 
I want to add some though.
Menna you have quite interesting avatar,my opinion is that you unconsciously work on yourself becouse you want to seek attention of womens.That is my opinion and I can be wrong about this statement.

I remember that Gurdjieff was saying that people lost energy by unnecessary tensions and muscle contractions that we need for inner work.
 
Celtic - "Instead of trying to get a girlfriend just to be having one
With nothing in common." - I agree with this for me its about quality not quantity. Meaning it doesn't matter how many girlfriends you have but that the one you have you are compatible with.

Mrs. Peel - Sorry if it didn't seem clear but I was quoting what Floetas said, he stated that his ego feels vulnerable and I agreed at times mine has also felt that way. I said when I recognize my ego it feels vulnerable - I believe this to be a positive thing. When something is vulnerable it is exposed I think its great when someone recognizes their ego that’s the first step in reducing its occurrence or coping with it.

Mrs. Peel and Stormy Knight - I did have apprehensions about putting this picture in my avatar because a part of me knew that people on this forum might negatively assume and judge the picture as its human nature to do so. Yes most people put pictures of other people or other symbols outside themselves to symbolize who they are. I thought to myself that the best way to show people who I am is by putting a picture of my passion and myself. This is not your average forum everyone on this forum is open minded and spiritual. I was hoping that the people on this forum would look outside the picture (Think outside the box) and realize what characteristics it takes for one to look like this naturally. Dedication, hard work, knowledge, knowing your body, mental and physical toughness, will power... and other attributes go into this work behind this picture. So my thinking was that this picture would show people who I am and what character traits I posses. I am not on any dating websites, facebook or myspace. If I wanted to boost my ego I would go there and put up all sorts of pictures similar to this one. On the contrary I am very self-conscious by nature and that is what drives me. When I first read these comments I was kind of insulted as I get these assumptions and judgments from people that I expect to get these type of judgments from - didn't expect them on this board

Daco - Usual people who chase and seek the attention of women have had sex before. Also through my bodybuilding experience I have grown mentally and my interest in psychology has increased this actually lead me to read books like The Power of Now which lead me to Val Valerian which lead me to this website. SO the muscle contractions that I perform on a daily bases have helped me understand myself physically and mentally and have helped me realize how powerful we are mentally. By depriving myself of certain things through bodybuilding I have grown. I would not have graduated from college or graduate school without the discipline and time management that it has taught me.

So in closing the avatar picture isn't my 5 year old attempt to say "Hey look at me" I wanted others to realize what it takes - what character traits one has to have to look like this. I would think the best picture that would show people who you are would be a picture of yourself
 
Hmmm...I get a very different vibe from his picture. I don't think he is trying to attract women as Daco states above, but instead I think he is showing a mind/body/soul balance that he has cultivated over many years. Martial artist perhaps? That stance is almost like a yoga pose. That is the body of an artist...an artist in the sense that he is painting a picture that is an expression of his soul with his muscles and tone. It does not say "hey ladies, get it while it is hot!" instead it says, "I have put alot of effort into achieving this balance...this is who I am." Real true artists do not create art for the attention, in fact many hide from the limelight....they create because there is nothing else for them to do with that creative energy regardless if people recognize them or not. Arrogance and ego can come in when one lets fame and money grip a tight hold on their identity forgetting the bleeding artist within. However, Menna....although I am a young female who can appreciate an attractive guy IS NOT sending that message out. In fact, it very much gives almost an asexual message as if his body is a medium for the balance he seeks within, not a vehicle for pleasure.
 
Hi Menna --

Menna said:
Mrs. Peel and Stormy Knight - I did have apprehensions about putting this picture in my avatar because a part of me knew that people on this forum might negatively assume and judge the picture as its human nature to do so. Yes most people put pictures of other people or other symbols outside themselves to symbolize who they are. I thought to myself that the best way to show people who I am is by putting a picture of my passion and myself. This is not your average forum everyone on this forum is open minded and spiritual. I was hoping that the people on this forum would look outside the picture (Think outside the box) and realize what characteristics it takes for one to look like this naturally. Dedication, hard work, knowledge, knowing your body, mental and physical toughness, will power... and other attributes go into this work behind this picture. So my thinking was that this picture would show people who I am and what character traits I posses. I am not on any dating websites, facebook or myspace. If I wanted to boost my ego I would go there and put up all sorts of pictures similar to this one. On the contrary I am very self-conscious by nature and that is what drives me. When I first read these comments I was kind of insulted as I get these assumptions and judgments from people that I expect to get these type of judgments from - didn't expect them on this board

Thanks for your clarification about this aspect of your avatar, and I think that the qualities that you list above that you have associated with it are valid. I'd like to suggest that you take a step back and try to see it objectively, however -- in the absence of the explanation that you gave above, and taking into account the reasons why many people are into body-building -- can you see that it would be easy for people who don't know you well to make an assumption that this could reflect a self-esteem issue or preoccupation with the physical? Although I understand why you might feel insulted by Mrs Peel's question, when you take into consideration the nature of this forum -- helping each other to see ourselves, our buffers, and our programs -- perhaps you will be able to see that it was not meant to be judgmental in the way that you understood it, but in fact is an attempt to enable you to consider whether it may still represent some identification with this part of yourself. In short, you are correct that the qualities which you associate with it such as dedication, knowledge, and willpower are all laudable, but the possibility for identification is nevertheless still present, and only you yourself can know for sure if that is the case.
 
Menna said:
When I first read these comments I was kind of insulted as I get these assumptions and judgments from people that I expect to get these type of judgments from - didn't expect them on this board
...
So in closing the avatar picture isn't my 5 year old attempt to say "Hey look at me" I wanted others to realize what it takes - what character traits one has to have to look like this.

Hi Menna. Fwiw, I don't see where anyone expressed any "assumptions and judgments". You were simply asked questions relevant to the topic of your thread. You were serious about your question, right?

I've been here a little while and my impression is that there are many folks who are martial artists, former body-builders, dancers and others who are in great shape due to proper exercise, diet and detox.
Have you considered the possibility that you are making a rather large assumption about what people here need to "realize" in order to comprehend this kind of accomplishment?


As for myself, I have had some modest achievements in the area of health and fitness. At 50 years of age, I still have the 6-pack and athletic build I had at 18. I also have a younger brother who has won many trophies on the U.S. National stage for body-building competitions, so I am well aware of the physical/mental discipline, dedication, sacrifice and so forth that is required.

The problem is one of the Work context that this forum is dedicated to, as I see it. All those traits you've developed are awesome and extremely worthwhile insofar as they are useful for manipulating/influencing the form of the body (or anything depending on the instinctive/moving center), but the Work is about coming to understand the sheer mechanicality of man's life and to undo the dependence on all our conditionings. In fact, we make ourselves a tool of fate or a tool of anything by regarding transient things as absolutes. Ex: I’ve got this muscular body, I identify myself by means of this great body, etc. You’re a tool of this transient object.

Reliance upon secondary things, beyond a certain point, could be what some might call totem-ism. It can be really regarded as immaturity. That is to say, when there is an individual, who finds it necessary to rely on externals – physical objects and so on – to give them a spiritual satisfaction or excitement, that can be regarded as diagnostic of immaturity, or perhaps a simple example of a mis-understanding of priorities if all one's time and energy is used only for those pursuits.

When people think there is no other way of doing life, we can’t really talk to them, osit. I have a feeling that you might understand all that though. :)
 
Hmm...you wrote a very interesting observation, curiouskat, for several reasons. I'll try to explain.

curiouskat said:
Hmmm...I get a very different vibe from his picture. I don't think he is trying to attract women as Daco states above, but instead I think he is showing a mind/body/soul balance that he has cultivated over many years. Martial artist perhaps? That stance is almost like a yoga pose. That is the body of an artist...an artist in the sense that he is painting a picture that is an expression of his soul with his muscles and tone. It does not say "hey ladies, get it while it is hot!" instead it says, "I have put alot of effort into achieving this balance...this is who I am." Real true artists do not create art for the attention, in fact many hide from the limelight....they create because there is nothing else for them to do with that creative energy regardless if people recognize them or not.

Well, this is actually a good description of an identification with one's own creation. Artists have it a lot, by the way. Essentially, nothing wrong with that of course. We all put part of ourselves into everything we create. The problem arises when an artist draws its worth from his/her creations and not from the mere ability to create, an ability to be a vessel for creative forces.

curiouskat said:
Arrogance and ego can come in when one lets fame and money grip a tight hold on their identity forgetting the bleeding artist within.

Actually, arrogance can be very subtle, and can be expressed not only when one lets fame and money grip a tight hold on their identity, but more frequently when one is NOT famous or rich, and when one is even hiding one's creations in order not to put them out in the open for people to judge. Truly arrogant people won't take such chances for their bubbles to be burst.

curiouskat said:
However, Menna....although I am a young female who can appreciate an attractive guy IS NOT sending that message out. In fact, it very much gives almost an asexual message as if his body is a medium for the balance he seeks within, not a vehicle for pleasure.

Nothing wrong with being desired and even be a vehicle of pleasure for the one you love and want to give your love. In fact, if someone would say such a thing about me that I am so balanced within and don't look like a possible vehicle of pleasure, I would feel sad because it means that I project a lonely and totally self-sufficient image, an image of someone who doesn't need anyone or anything, in any sense, not even physical. ;)

It is natural to seek a partner because we all feel inside that being in a relationship can complement us, and help us be more than we could if we were by ourselves. On the other hand, we also would like to help someone else to be more than they are. Saying that, I don't think there is anything wrong with being alone either. It's just that unless one is pathological, each person has something to complement with another. It can be even just a friendship.

But considering Menna's lack of interest in looking for relationships, and the fact that he didn't find the right on yet, your analysis of his avatar is probably pretty accurate since Menna might be projecting such a balanced and self sufficient image, it might be a possible reason why no one, including Menna, seem to see him as a potential partner. In this case, the artist might have been sabotaged by his own creation! ;)
 
Menna said:
Mrs. Peel - Sorry if it didn't seem clear but I was quoting what Floetas said, he stated that his ego feels vulnerable and I agreed at times mine has also felt that way. I said when I recognize my ego it feels vulnerable - I believe this to be a positive thing. When something is vulnerable it is exposed I think its great when someone recognizes their ego that’s the first step in reducing its occurrence or coping with it.

Hi Menna, I'm wondering if you've had an opportunity to read any G.I. Gurdjieff? I ask because his work is the basis for much of this forum. You've focused several times on the idea of 'ego' - which, in the parlance of what we discuss here is, basically, the false personality. Identification with the false personality is what we actively try to avoid, whether that identification is positive or negative. Your focus on 'ego' tends to indicate that you are negatively identified with this particular aspect of your false personality. In short, it might help to remember that You are not your ego.



menna said:
Mrs. Peel and Stormy Knight - I did have apprehensions about putting this picture in my avatar because a part of me knew that people on this forum might negatively assume and judge the picture as its human nature to do so.

No one has 'judged' your avatar and your assumption that people would, while choosing to go ahead and post it, is an interesting dynamic. Were you trying to prove something, to yourself or others?



m said:
Yes most people put pictures of other people or other symbols outside themselves to symbolize who they are. I thought to myself that the best way to show people who I am is by putting a picture of my passion and myself.

Your body is not who you are. Your 'passion' as directly connected to your body is not who you are. Can you consider that to be true?



m said:
This is not your average forum everyone on this forum is open minded and spiritual. I was hoping that the people on this forum would look outside the picture (Think outside the box) and realize what characteristics it takes for one to look like this naturally. Dedication, hard work, knowledge, knowing your body, mental and physical toughness, will power... and other attributes go into this work behind this picture.

Your avatar indicates that you are identified with your body, with your motor center and your physical attributes. You take them to be representative of you, when they are not. They are nothing other than a vehicle. The characteristics you identify with in regards to your physical form are mechanical. This is not unusual. Most people are quite identified with mechanical aspects of themselves - it is part of 'the horror of the situation'.

Your identification comes through most strongly in your words to defend what you consider to be a passion - an identification with the physical manifestation of your vehicle. You are MUCH more than that.

m said:
So my thinking was that this picture would show people who I am and what character traits I posses.

Who you are is not your body. Your character traits are not your body.


m said:
I am not on any dating websites, facebook or myspace. If I wanted to boost my ego I would go there and put up all sorts of pictures similar to this one.

This implies that this picture of you does, indeed, boost your ego.


m said:
On the contrary I am very self-conscious by nature and that is what drives me. When I first read these comments I was kind of insulted as I get these assumptions and judgments from people that I expect to get these type of judgments from - didn't expect them on this board

Then it is time to ask yourself 'what flags are you flying' - if you are insulted by objective questions and comments regarding how you choose to represent yourself, then it is time to ask yourself why you choose to represent yourself the way you do. This really isn't a complicated question - and a body building pose represents a very specific thing. You are not your body.


m said:
Daco - Usual people who chase and seek the attention of women have had sex before. Also through my bodybuilding experience I have grown mentally and my interest in psychology has increased this actually lead me to read books like The Power of Now which lead me to Val Valerian which lead me to this website. SO the muscle contractions that I perform on a daily bases have helped me understand myself physically and mentally and have helped me realize how powerful we are mentally. By depriving myself of certain things through bodybuilding I have grown. I would not have graduated from college or graduate school without the discipline and time management that it has taught me.

All indications are that you are identified with your body. It is possible that, at one point, you utilized the discipline necessary to increase your muscle in order to build will, but, along the way, you became identified with it and took the activity for the impetus. If you can break that identification, you might be able to benefit from it. Again, this is not a complicated matter - it is a very simple and common thing, identification; especially identification born of compensated insecurity.

To see it and begin to address it is the issue.

m said:
So in closing the avatar picture isn't my 5 year old attempt to say "Hey look at me" I wanted others to realize what it takes - what character traits one has to have to look like this. I would think the best picture that would show people who you are would be a picture of yourself

Your essence has no body. Your essence is not concerned with how buff you are. You have become identified with your physical form.

This is not unusual, nor is it 'bad' - it just is. To not recognize it - or at least consider it - however, is unfortunate, because to not recognize it means it controls you.

Hopefully that makes at least a little sense - if not, apologies.




curiouskat said:
Hmmm...I get a very different vibe from his picture. I don't think he is trying to attract women as Daco states above, but instead I think he is showing a mind/body/soul balance that he has cultivated over many years. Martial artist perhaps? That stance is almost like a yoga pose. That is the body of an artist...an artist in the sense that he is painting a picture that is an expression of his soul with his muscles and tone. It does not say "hey ladies, get it while it is hot!" instead it says, "I have put alot of effort into achieving this balance...this is who I am." Real true artists do not create art for the attention, in fact many hide from the limelight....they create because there is nothing else for them to do with that creative energy regardless if people recognize them or not. Arrogance and ego can come in when one lets fame and money grip a tight hold on their identity forgetting the bleeding artist within. However, Menna....although I am a young female who can appreciate an attractive guy IS NOT sending that message out. In fact, it very much gives almost an asexual message as if his body is a medium for the balance he seeks within, not a vehicle for pleasure.

No offense, curiouskat, but this post, in this context, reads like a pick up line and nothing more.
 
Wow Menna I think that one flew right over your head.

Mrs. Peel pointed out something quite important to grasp but methinks you were so busy feeling judged and condemned and that so many negative assumptions were made that somehow defending your ego and justifications became more crucial than listening.

I admire your picture, in a way, and realize what it takes in terms of discipline, commitment, etc, etc for you to look like that and yes, I would agree, a good way to show the world who you are is a picture of yourself. But then why not wear a shirt? Why not out on a walk? Etc. or are you saying that you are so utterly identified with your body and all the "time" and effort and discipline and commitment it takes to look that way that THAT is what/who YOU are? A BODY?

You know I understand your point that lots of people in the world probli make negative assumptions of who you are by appearance, yet have you ever heard of a two-way street?

Now I never looked as pect and buff as you but used to be teased as "Mr. Body Beautiful" back in the firmer and toner days. The point being, and here I am speaking of myself, that though I was reading lots of interesting subjects beyond the normal mainstream, fact is I was so identified with the physical, my sense of self, the "who I am" as a result of how I look.

I dont think there is anything wrong with that either for in a world of so many people there will be some more dedicated towards physical development, mental, emotional, etc. But I think you are fooling yourself Mr. Body Beautiful if you think this is only about others perceptions of you and not your perception of yourself.

In short, assumptions restrict knowledge!

with kind regards,

~Herakles

PS - funny how you were "kinda insulted" but never thought it too insulting to be flouncing around without a shirt on; I'm too hairy to do so. :cry:


Menna said:
Celtic - "Instead of trying to get a girlfriend just to be having one
With nothing in common." - I agree with this for me its about quality not quantity. Meaning it doesn't matter how many girlfriends you have but that the one you have you are compatible with.

Mrs. Peel - Sorry if it didn't seem clear but I was quoting what Floetas said, he stated that his ego feels vulnerable and I agreed at times mine has also felt that way. I said when I recognize my ego it feels vulnerable - I believe this to be a positive thing. When something is vulnerable it is exposed I think its great when someone recognizes their ego that’s the first step in reducing its occurrence or coping with it.

Mrs. Peel and Stormy Knight - I did have apprehensions about putting this picture in my avatar because a part of me knew that people on this forum might negatively assume and judge the picture as its human nature to do so. Yes most people put pictures of other people or other symbols outside themselves to symbolize who they are. I thought to myself that the best way to show people who I am is by putting a picture of my passion and myself. This is not your average forum everyone on this forum is open minded and spiritual. I was hoping that the people on this forum would look outside the picture (Think outside the box) and realize what characteristics it takes for one to look like this naturally. Dedication, hard work, knowledge, knowing your body, mental and physical toughness, will power... and other attributes go into this work behind this picture. So my thinking was that this picture would show people who I am and what character traits I posses. I am not on any dating websites, facebook or myspace. If I wanted to boost my ego I would go there and put up all sorts of pictures similar to this one. On the contrary I am very self-conscious by nature and that is what drives me. When I first read these comments I was kind of insulted as I get these assumptions and judgments from people that I expect to get these type of judgments from - didn't expect them on this board

Daco - Usual people who chase and seek the attention of women have had sex before. Also through my bodybuilding experience I have grown mentally and my interest in psychology has increased this actually lead me to read books like The Power of Now which lead me to Val Valerian which lead me to this website. SO the muscle contractions that I perform on a daily bases have helped me understand myself physically and mentally and have helped me realize how powerful we are mentally. By depriving myself of certain things through bodybuilding I have grown. I would not have graduated from college or graduate school without the discipline and time management that it has taught me.

So in closing the avatar picture isn't my 5 year old attempt to say "Hey look at me" I wanted others to realize what it takes - what character traits one has to have to look like this. I would think the best picture that would show people who you are would be a picture of yourself
 
Menna said:
... I was hoping that the people on this forum would look outside the picture (Think outside the box) and realize what characteristics it takes for one to look like this naturally. Dedication, hard work, knowledge, knowing your body, mental and physical toughness, will power... and other attributes go into this work behind this picture. So my thinking was that this picture would show people who I am and what character traits I posses...

... Also through my bodybuilding experience I have grown mentally and my interest in psychology has increased this actually lead me to read books like The Power of Now which lead me to Val Valerian which lead me to this website. SO the muscle contractions that I perform on a daily bases have helped me understand myself physically and mentally and have helped me realize how powerful we are mentally. By depriving myself of certain things through bodybuilding I have grown. I would not have graduated from college or graduate school without the discipline and time management that it has taught me...

Menna, I can relate with and appreciate the discipline and effort it takes for body building. I don't mean this to sound like me jumping on the band wagon in questioning your passion for body building but it really reminds me of the Way of the Fakir as told by Gurdjieff: "The way of the Fakir is a way of struggle with the physical body....a long and difficult journey. Incredibly difficult physical exercises are practiced relentlessly in order to develop will and power over the body and mind." Generally, Gurdjieff describes the Way of the Fakir as being crude and inefficient in self development. Instead, Gurdjieff advocated the Fourth Way as being more efficient for spiritual development which used all three centers - physical, emotional, intellectual. You actually seem to be taking a Fourth Way method but it just appears a little more disproportionate to the Way of the Fakir.

I still think it's important to keep one's body healthy and in shape. An enjoyable, healthy sport or physical activity as a past time is a great way to be healthy and relax/de-stress from a job and other stressful routines of life. The question is when a past time becomes more of a job than a past time.
 
Keit said:
It is natural to seek a partner because we all feel inside that being in a relationship can complement us, and help us be more than we could if we were by ourselves. On the other hand, we also would like to help someone else to be more than they are. Saying that, I don't think there is anything wrong with being alone either. It's just that unless one is pathological, each person has something to complement with another. It can be even just a friendship.
I want to add to this that the partnership is necesary for most human beings as opportunity for reflection. Like anything in universe we need reflection to be able to define ourselves.

Keit said:
Menna might be projecting such a balanced and self sufficient image, it might be a possible reason why no one, including Menna, seem to see him as a potential partner. In this case, the artist might have been sabotaged by his own creation! ;)
Mena I have to say Keith is spot on, or at least this was my impression of you too- from reading between the lines of what you wrote so far. Needles to say this might be even more obvious in RL situations. It is a vicious circle powered by insecurities which can have many different roots.
Been there, done that and got the t-shirt Mena.
Maybe it is time to confront those demons, the mirror you 've got here is a very good start...
 
Menna said:
So in closing the avatar picture isn't my 5 year old attempt to say "Hey look at me" I wanted others to realize what it takes - what character traits one has to have to look like this. I would think the best picture that would show people who you are would be a picture of yourself

Gurdjieff in ISOTM said:
Crystallization is possible on any foundation. Take for example a brigand, a really good, genuine brigand. I knew such brigands in the Caucasus. He will stand with a rifle behind a stone by the roadside for eight hours without stirring. Could you do this? All the time, mind you, a struggle is going on in him. He is thirsty and hot, and flies are biting him; but he stands still. Another is a monk; he is afraid of the devil; all night long he beats his head on the floor and prays. Thus crystallization is achieved. In such ways people can generate in themselves an enormous inner strength; they can endure torture; they can get what they want. This means that there is now in them something solid, something permanent. Such people can become immortal. But what is the good of it? A man of this kind becomes an 'immortal thing,' although a certain amount of consciousness is sometimes preserved in him. But even this, it must be remembered, occurs very rarely.
 
Menna said:
So in closing the avatar picture isn't my 5 year old attempt to say "Hey look at me" I wanted others to realize what it takes - what character traits one has to have to look like this. I would think the best picture that would show people who you are would be a picture of yourself

Hi Menna,

It was not my intention to insult you, but, as others have pointed out, to show that while the qualities you have described are admirable, you are NOT your body. Remember, it is the soul that matters.
 
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