Why is Adam grabbing his throat in the Auch Cathedral glass of Adam & Even

[wmu9]

I am researching alchemy and cathedrals... but this image of Adam and Eve "struck" me as quite a synchronicity (regarding some symbolism I'm working with). I will not mention my interpretation because I'd like some other interpretations better schooled in the subject without my thought pollution.

I presume Laura doesn't mind hot linking to her own images

http://www.laura-knight-jadczyk.com/Auch_Cathedral/auch_cathedral_22.html

You can see that this is NOT a traditional pose:
https://www.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&q=adam+and+eve+cathedral

https://www.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&q=adam+and+eve+middle+ages

https://www.google.com/images?svnum=100&hl=en&q=adam+and+eve+the+fall

How strange to stumble back to Laura again. It seems you can't go anywhere Laura hasn't already been when it comes to esoterica.

Thanks!

 

[Laura]

Because he took a bite of the apple!

 

[mcb]

Because he took a bite of the apple!

Yes, my thought exactly. What he got was not quite what he expected. Eve's hand placement suggests a new concern also.

Not that there couldn't be more...

 

[dant]

Yes, I agree!

I was perplexed with what adam was holding in his
right hand, red, apple-core (eaten).

The window panes representing adam is off-colored
as it they were replaced, the tones do not match
up - upper-body, arms, hand... unusual. Going
from brown-tan to white... aryan?

Eve is "perfectly" color toned.

Who is the woman in the tree, middle, upper window -
I expected to find the serpent... not there or hidden
in the tree leaves somewhere? The woman for some
reason reminds me of the Oracle, advising Eve...
(We are you (Laura) from the future)? :)

 

[anart]

Yes, I agree!

I was perplexed with what adam was holding in his
right hand, red, apple-core (eaten).

The window panes representing adam is off-colored
as it they were replaced, the tones do not match
up - upper-body, arms, hand... unusual. Going
from brown-tan to white... aryan?

Eve is "perfectly" color toned.

Who is the woman in the tree, middle, upper window -
I expected to find the serpent... not there or hidden
in the tree leaves somewhere? The woman for some
reason reminds me of the Oracle, advising Eve...
(We are you (Laura) from the future)? :)

It's not a woman in the tree, it is a blonde man with the lower body of the serpent. Interesting, yes?

 

[dant]

It's not a woman in the tree, it is a blonde man with the lower body of the serpent. Interesting, yes?

I had to download the image and blow it up - odd "hat" or is it blond hair? Really?!
and he looks older, winkled... Who is he, I wonder! And YES! Very interesting!!

 

[wmu9]

BTW. Adam is clutching his throat in the carved choir statues at the Cathedral as well. And in the carving we don't see any apple in his hand.

See this page...
http://roadeveron.blogspot.com/2012/09/auch-cathedral-choir-carvings.html

 

[durabone]

Yes both of them are holding leaves. I am curious about the spiny ridges down the back of the snake. It is represented in both images, but I don't recall having seen any real snakes that have them?

Also; is is just me, or does it strike any else as odd that in Assisi Italy, St. Francis' cathedral does not have any esoteric symbols that I could find, period. You know, gargoyles, dragons, square crosses, eys, pyramids, etc. But on the other end of town, the other large cathedral in Assisi is simply coated with them?

 

[wmu9]

And here is the full window...
http://www.laura-knight-jadczyk.com/Auch_Cathedral/auch_cathedral_19.html

 

[Foxx]

BTW. Adam is clutching his throat in the carved choir statues at the Cathedral as well. And in the carving we don't see any apple in his hand.

See this page...
http://roadeveron.blogspot.com/2012/09/auch-cathedral-choir-carvings.html

I think it's really interesting that instead of holding the poisoned apple in this image, he's holding the branch and leaves to cover his genitals.

 

[Iron]

It's not a woman in the tree, it is a blonde man with the lower body of the serpent. Interesting, yes?

I had to download the image and blow it up - odd "hat" or is it blond hair? Really?!
and he looks older, winkled... Who is he, I wonder! And YES! Very interesting!!

A man with the lower body of a serpent... a representation of 4th Density Lizzies? Or maybe just of their henchman on earth, explaining the half serpent body?
Or maybe I'm just imagining things.
Anyway, its an interesting picture indeed.

 

[wmu9]

Representing the satan/serpent with a woman's head and exposed breasts is very traditional for the period. What you won't find is a tradition of Adam clutching his throat. I think it is more than mere choking or distaste here.

_http://witcombe.sbc.edu/eve-women/5eveserpent.html_

 

[durabone]

A close look at the bronze suggests that his hand is not so wrenching on the neck as the stained glass. And an interesting thought is that if dant is correct about the tonal shading, then the choke hold might be part of a replacement piece of glass! His torso tone matches Eve's. If I try to look at the bronze without bias, Adam looks maybe like he is placing his hand above the solar plexus in great admiration for his love - Eve.

EDIT: Another difference us that in the bronze, they are clearly looking at each other. In the stained glass, she is definitely looking down, and he looks like his eyes are closed as if he is about to die from choking himself to death.

 

[durabone]

Or like Laura said, that apple was a whammy.

 

[ignis.intimus]

My impression of the original linked image...

He has been poisoned. The look on his face shows that he's not choking, as if on food or something, because his facial muscles are not strained. His clutching of the throat is a helpless/useless gesture, an automatic response when air cannot be brought into the body, but there is nothing the hands can actually do about it. He is touching his throat but not grasping at it, notice the pinky finger askew, not held in a clutching position. His eyes are looking up, starting to roll back in his head as he dies.

I'm not sure on the tone differences you're talking about. I do see an overall difference compared to Eve but within the same pane of glass for Adam, I see those tone differences. As far as I can tell, the glass was not replaced, unless I am getting the lines wrong (of where the glass is formed between).

The serpent-man is shown that way for two reasons. One because that is a fairly accurate representation, in that this "snake" also possessed human DNA. And two, because all Eve sees is the upper man portion, showing how she was fooled into taking his apple. She saw herself (humanity) in this snake-man-thing but not the deadly viper underneath, and all the cruelty and cunning that entails, and this caused her to drop her guard.

Blonde serpent man in the tree. I wonder if there is any significance to his left sleeve being rolled up, but his right is not? An example of asymmetry perhaps, a hint about the fact that nothing everything "lined up" with this guy.

Representing the satan/serpent with a woman's head and exposed breasts is very traditional for the period. What you won't find is a tradition of Adam clutching his throat. I think it is more than mere choking or distaste here.

_http://witcombe.sbc.edu/eve-women/5eveserpent.html_

Did you mention your interpretation?