Winter Storm Threatens East Coast? Batten Down the Hatches

It's crazy that they want to go back to business as usual. Why reopen business in the city when gas is short, trains don't cross the river, and half the city was still out (and more than half the suburbs)? My friend made a good point: They want to keep people busy, distracted... even if it is in futile attempts of sitting hours in traffic or standing hours on lines for buses.

Mr. Scott said:
There was this guy named Tesla, and he had some ingenious ideas for transmitting basically free power "wirelessly" (not like the current new-fangled wireless charging gizmos they are coming out with now), but alas...

The whole "free" aspect of it confuses me. The electricity is transmitted, but it has to come from somewhere, there is no free lunch! I can't seem to get any info on that besides some pseudo-tech speak about resonance and all that.

Knowing how cellphone and wifi radio signals on the order of watts can affect our bodies, how would transmitting millions of watts though the air be safe?
 
Divide By Zero said:
The whole "free" aspect of it confuses me. The electricity is transmitted, but it has to come from somewhere, there is no free lunch! I can't seem to get any info on that besides some pseudo-tech speak about resonance and all that.
Well, I think one way to look at it is that solar energy is free to all (without prejudice) so why not with electrical energy as well?

Knowing how cellphone and wifi radio signals on the order of watts can affect our bodies, how would transmitting millions of watts though the air be safe?
That's a good question but maybe it's possible for high power electrical energy to be transmitted (without wires) safely within certain parameters? I'm sure science could figure that one out, if it's honest science of course.
 
Got power back on, but the way things are on the coast of Staten Island, my power being on is way beside the point. The point being that many are dead along the beach, that are not being talked about , except here around these small parts of the island. One women was banging and screaming on a mans door, and he refused to let her in with her 2 kids. Well she and the kids died.They were washed away by the huge waves of water. Enough people know about it so it will probably be shown somewhere in the recesses of the newspaper.Balance. This is balance. And because it is about balance, from what I've seen, it wasn't too hard to figure out who was who. And emotions aside, beings were just being what their nature consists of. None of its bad or good, and I began to understand by observation and action in a clearer way. Don't get me wrong. I, being me, was very emotional inside but it never destructed me from the job at hand. Which was "give what was needed,to whatever and to whoever needed it" And what came out of my mouth to no one in particular was hardly Spockian. Well the words were, fueled by horror and disgust. I had a hard time not hating the haters, because its still hard to believe what you see.Or I should just say the apathetic and the thrillseekers.But really I can't judge.It's just my observation and accepting that others are REALLY different doesn't necessarily make me at the head of the class, or even IN the class of 4D STO would- be graduates.I went to work today and the YMCA was giving free use of showers and facilities and that was of some service to people. Only 6 people showed in class and I couldn't look at anyone.I did ask if everyone was allright. I was mad because no one called me to ask if I was OK .At least not from the class. I felt that they knew I was alone surrounded by big trees and I was angry at their lackadaisical attitudes. My perception. I wanted to hear that they did something for someone else. And I realize its not just this hurricane. I never hear anything about service to others, and this is a Yoga class. Its always back to this. And how petty I can be in the face of the same disaster, I'm thinking I'm better than they, right? No maybe not, but different. I don't think I think I'm better.I think I remember I can choose. The separation of people keeps communion at bay. And I am not communing well with these folks. They have no problem with it. And they're are all different sorts of folks, lest I forget.Like on this forum. You are all the first I spoke to as the power came on I need to be grateful i HAVE A JOB, for now.Back to keeping the focus on me, and surrendering ego.NOT EASYYYYY.I think I'm back.THANK YOU, THANK YOU for listening to this.Sorry there are no pics, you couldn't get reception at a lot of places.
 
supriyanoel said:
Got power back on,
Good.


s said:
but the way things are on the coast of Staten Island, my power being on is way beside the point. The point being that many are dead along the beach, that are not being talked about , except here around these small parts of the island. One women was banging and screaming on a mans door, and he refused to let her in with her 2 kids. Well she and the kids died.They were washed away by the huge waves of water. Enough people know about it so it will probably be shown somewhere in the recesses of the newspaper.

Actually, the children died but the mother survived - http://www.sott.net/article/253056-Young-brothers-swept-to-death-by-Sandy-denied-refuge-minutes-earlier

s said:
Balance. This is balance. And because it is about balance, from what I've seen, it wasn't too hard to figure out who was who. And emotions aside, beings were just being what their nature consists of. None of its bad or good, and I began to understand by observation and action in a clearer way. Don't get me wrong. I, being me, was very emotional inside but it never destructed me from the job at hand. Which was "give what was needed,to whatever and to whoever needed it" And what came out of my mouth to no one in particular was hardly Spockian. Well the words were, fueled by horror and disgust. I had a hard time not hating the haters, because its still hard to believe what you see.Or I should just say the apathetic and the thrillseekers.But really I can't judge.

Personally, I think the man who refused to help them should have criminal charges placed against him and I do think there is bad and good in that situation and he was decidedly evil.

s said:
It's just my observation and accepting that others are REALLY different doesn't necessarily make me at the head of the class, or even IN the class of 4D STO would- be graduates.I went to work today and the YMCA was giving free use of showers and facilities and that was of some service to people. Only 6 people showed in class and I couldn't look at anyone.I did ask if everyone was allright. I was mad because no one called me to ask if I was OK .At least not from the class. I felt that they knew I was alone surrounded by big trees and I was angry at their lackadaisical attitudes. My perception.

Sounds like some internal consideration, but you've just been through a significant trauma - and - quite honestly most people never see past the end of their own nose. Were you able to call and check on anybody in the class?

s said:
I wanted to hear that they did something for someone else. And I realize its not just this hurricane. I never hear anything about service to others, and this is a Yoga class. Its always back to this. And how petty I can be in the face of the same disaster, I'm thinking I'm better than they, right? No maybe not, but different. I don't think I think I'm better.I think I remember I can choose. The separation of people keeps communion at bay. And I am not communing well with these folks. They have no problem with it. And they're are all different sorts of folks, lest I forget.Like on this forum. You are all the first I spoke to as the power came on I need to be grateful i HAVE A JOB, for now.Back to keeping the focus on me, and surrendering ego.NOT EASYYYYY.I think I'm back.THANK YOU, THANK YOU for listening to this.Sorry there are no pics, you couldn't get reception at a lot of places.

No worry on the pics. It would be a help if you'd break your posts up into paragraphs, though (as you've been asked before) :) It will be a while before your area is back to normal, from what I understand, so keep taking good care.
 
Glad people are getting power back. In case anybody missed this:

http://www.sott.net/article/253110-Martial-Law-Officially-Declared-in-Parts-of-New-Jersey-As-Hurricane-Sandy-Brings-Massive-Damage-Flooding

They just sort of gloss over the fact that Seaside Heights is under martial law before moving on to country music awards!

:shock:
 
Mr. Scott said:
Glad people are getting power back. In case anybody missed this:

http://www.sott.net/article/253110-Martial-Law-Officially-Declared-in-Parts-of-New-Jersey-As-Hurricane-Sandy-Brings-Massive-Damage-Flooding

They just sort of gloss over the fact that Seaside Heights is under martial law before moving on to country music awards!

:shock:

Great example of normalization of an extreme government action. Sheesh.
 
power's back on, although it left today again from an hour or so..

in a couple of towns there's curfews, and they're scarring people into distrusting anyone walking past dark as opposed to engendering a sense of unity and how much we could really achieve if we were all pulling in the same direction as opposed to in a million different ones, it just reminds me of that story of the guy who would simply not open the door for the mother of the two kids that died in long island.

it is true, there is opportunists waiting to take advantage of the situation and as things get easier for people to get robbed and so on, which also reminds me of something a coworker of mine mentioned, he said that sadly, the ones getting the best out of the storm were really rich individuals, right after a disaster there's always scavengers.. waiting to take advantage of a weakened being....

in NJ the governor has issued an order for odd-even license plate numbers- odd-even day of the month, for gas filling purposes, as people are going completely insane for gas the past couple of days, lines are miles long, and wait times have been up to 2-3 hours, i even heard a story of someone pulling out a gun to a guy on the gas station just so this fellow could get whatever was left on their tanks.

supermarkets seem to be becoming a bit more civilized, although there's shortage of meat (at least where i buy it) i have been able to get bacon and eggs, but i think that the town where i buy my tobacco is still out of power..:-o

for now things seem to be coming back to normal very slowly in my area, i do know that there's still a lot of people without power, without homes, without anything to go back to.. that it's just very shocking, I'm thinking of the 100+ houses burned down on monday night as sandy hit shore..it's nuts

and to end this brief observational report, sandy and it's aftermath, allowed me to see how fast things can change overnight, how fragile the "sanity" of human beings can be taken away from them by external influence, i suddenly saw how easily predictable and direct-able people are, it left me with a very sour taste of really how easily can the masses of people be turned against one another, or vectored into a behavioral pattern...and even though things seem to be calming down, i cant help but see that fragility in the hands of the elite working wonders at their command, and it's not a pretty picture the one i see in the not too distant future.
 
Still no power in my neck of New Jersey, but we're lucky compared to others, who lost- and are dealing with- a lot more.
In our condo everything is electric (heat, hot water), so we ended up heating the place and water/meals using our bbq grill.
I say we ended up because we're currently staying in a hotel out in Pennsylvania.
We lasted from Monday night until Friday. There was no way we'd be able to make it until Wednesday (Nov 7), which is when the power is supposed to be restored in our town.

One of a few good things to come out of this for us is that our six-month-old got to bond with us (and vice-versa) constantly over the past 6 days.

[quote author=Alejo]
...sandy and it's aftermath, allowed me to see how fast things can change overnight, how fragile the "sanity" of human beings can be taken away from them by external influence, i suddenly saw how easily predictable and direct-able people are, it left me with a very sour taste of really how easily can the masses of people be turned against one another, or vectored into a behavioral pattern...and even though things seem to be calming down, i cant help but see that fragility in the hands of the elite working wonders at their command, and it's not a pretty picture the one i see in the not too distant future.
[/quote]

This is my observation, as well. Sadly, one that I made on myself, as well as others. Fear and anxiety are two key emotions that came up for me pretty frequently (I know I am at fault for not practising EE, no illusions about that).
The experience of being on the receiving end of a natural disaster like this is truly an eye-opening one.
A lot to think about...
A lot to do...

P
 
This has been a hard week to get through with the power going out. We were blessed to have a generator for the basics and alternating plugging in what was most important. I was able to work by being creative! One thing plugged in at a time. I have a dog grooming business.

So this has been a lesson in preparedness. Before the storm we took Laura`s advice and spent 2 days canning non-stop. We filled the bathtubs with containers of water, buckets of water for flushing the toilets(we would also line the toilet with a garbage bag for waste matter which worked well)and had ample drinking water on hand. Emergency candles, oil lamps, propane stove( we already had to cook on and heat water), and flashlights. It got pretty cold at night but wearing layers helped and having goosedown blankets layered with other blankets kept us warm.

I did a lot more reading and drinking of tea than usual, but found that to be very benificial. It`s a wake-up call.

We`ll be picking up our Lopi woodstove next Sat. We`re stocked with wood for a little while. Need to work on a stock pile.

Those are the basics. Food, water, heat, shelter, working on making a living. It`s not easy but I can feel it coming as a way of life...getting down to the basics. Hanging in there. Lending a helping hand. Doing what we can the best we can. :cool2:
 
Glad to hear about those who got power back. And hope those who still don't, get it back as soon as possible.

Maybe all who went through this can look at it as a practice run (in a less drastic event) for what might be in our future. There are lots of things that only experience will prepare for future events. FWIW.
 
Alejo said:
and to end this brief observational report, sandy and it's aftermath, allowed me to see how fast things can change overnight, how fragile the "sanity" of human beings can be taken away from them by external influence, i suddenly saw how easily predictable and direct-able people are, it left me with a very sour taste of really how easily can the masses of people be turned against one another, or vectored into a behavioral pattern...and even though things seem to be calming down, i cant help but see that fragility in the hands of the elite working wonders at their command, and it's not a pretty picture the one i see in the not too distant future.

SeekinTruth said:
Maybe all who went through this can look at it as a practice run (in a less drastic event) for what might be in our future. There are lots of things that only experience will prepare for future events. FWIW.

It is very revealing to read everybody's reports of how some people are reacting after Sandy. Automatons are loose! Reminds me of "A considerable percentage of the people we meet in the streets of a great town are people who are empty inside, that is, they are actually already dead." (ISOTM)

We really have to be that light amidst the darkness.
 
anart said:
Actually, the children died but the mother survived - http://www.sott.net/article/253056-Young-brothers-swept-to-death-by-Sandy-denied-refuge-minutes-earlier

This REALLY makes me mad! I was reading up on the Good Samaritan Law, thinking about what the grounds could be for this poor woman to sue this guy, and came accross this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

A duty to rescue is a concept in tort law that arises in a number of cases, describing a circumstance in which a party can be held liable for failing to come to the rescue of another party in peril. In common law systems, it is rarely formalized in statutes which would bring the penalty of law down upon those who fail to rescue. This does not necessarily obviate a moral duty to rescue: though law is binding and carries government-authorized sanctions, there are also separate ethical arguments for a duty to rescue that may prevail even where law does not punish failure to rescue.

Common law

In the common law of most anglosphere countries, there is no general duty to come to the rescue of another.[1] Generally, a person cannot be held liable for doing nothing while another person is in peril.[2][3] However, such a duty may arise in two situations:

A duty to rescue arises where a person creates a hazardous situation. If another person then falls into peril because of this hazardous situation, the creator of the hazard – who may not necessarily have been a negligent tortfeasor – has a duty to rescue the individual in peril.[4]

Such a duty also arises where a "special relationship" exists. For example:
- Emergency workers (firefighters, emergency medical technicians, etc.) have a general duty to rescue the public within the scope of their employment. The District of Columbia Court of Appeals ruled in Warren v. DC that the police have no duty to protect any citizen not in custody, and cannot be sued for their failure to protect.[5]
- Parents have a duty to rescue their minor children. This duty also applies to those acting in loco parentis, such as schools or babysitters.[6]
- Common carriers have a duty to rescue their patrons.[7]
- Employers have an obligation to rescue employees, under an implied contract theory.[8]
- Property owners have a duty to rescue invitees but not trespassers from all dangers on the property.
- Spouses have a duty to rescue each other in all U.S. jurisdictions.[9]

In the United States, as of 2009 ten states had laws on the books requiring that people at least notify law enforcement of and/or seek aid for strangers in peril under certain conditions: California,[10][11] Florida,[10][12][13] Hawaii,[10][14] Massachusetts,[10][15] Minnesota,[10][16] Ohio,[10][17] Rhode Island,[10][18] Vermont,[10][19] Washington,[10][20][21] and Wisconsin.[10][22] These laws are also referred to as Good Samaritan laws, despite their difference from laws of the same name that protect individuals that try to help another person.[1] These laws are rarely applied, and are generally ignored by citizens and lawmakers.[1]

Where a duty to rescue arises, the rescuer must generally act with reasonable care, and can be held liable for injuries caused by a reckless rescue attempt. However, many states have limited or removed liability from rescuers in such circumstances, particularly where the rescuer is an emergency worker. Furthermore, the rescuer need not endanger himself in conducting the rescue.

This "law" or "concept", rather, can always be twisted by psychos. Geez...
 
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