Winter Storm Threatens East Coast? Batten Down the Hatches

[anart]

I'm wondering if this storm has convinced any of you who reside in NY/NJ metropolitan areas to get the heck out of Dodge before whatever hits next?

 

[Foxx]

I'm wondering if this storm has convinced any of you who reside in NY/NJ metropolitan areas to get the heck out of Dodge before whatever hits next?

I really agree with this and think that members in these areas should start (yesterday) seriously considering other options. While this was a difficult and destructive storm for the region and many people were injured and died, I think this will be a "walk in the park" compared to what's to come. NYC without power is a steel and concrete death trap and with any kind of flooding or snow--how will anyone get out? Even just without power (forget flooding or snow), if you don't have a car--how will you get out? The NYPD might be the most pathological police force on the planet--how will they handle a greater disaster? What will happen when the extreme narcissists and overly toxified people of NYC start to really disintegrate? And how, even in the surrounding areas, will you get out if everyone is trying to leave at the same time? It'd probably make rush hour look like a sunday drive.

I think all of these questions also very much apply to the surrounding areas, but NYC is the most extreme example and, I think, the worst (or perhaps most guaranteed) death trap when something serious hits.

I think you can only hit the snooze button so many times before it's too late and it's hard to say how many more wake up calls are left (especially considering how long it may take to comfortably move out of the area).

Just some of my thoughts after having grown up in the suburbs in NJ.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Just getting in touch with some people in the NYC/NJ area and it seems that some were hit very hard by this storm. Everyone I know is OK, but some just got power and heat back today. Others were describing how houses were destroyed and people were homeless. It's really sad. And to think what could happen with much worse in store in the (not too distant) future....

 

[SethianSeth]

I'm wondering if this storm has convinced any of you who reside in NY/NJ metropolitan areas to get the heck out of Dodge before whatever hits next?

I need to flesh out a thoughtful response to this question. I am disturbed by the way I have acted over this past week. We actively prepared our home on Sunday in Brooklyn, and were confident that we were well provided for in the 5-12 days duration. From that time on, until today actually (my first day back in Manhattan for work), I let myself fall totally to sleep. I never contacted this forum, though I could and should have. I spent all day reading and eating more than I normally do, outside of my normal bounds (I had been following the KD, but certainly kicked myself out of ketosis). I wasn't self observing, and I allowed myself to "miss" any opportunities I may have had to help others in any legitimate way because I isolated myself in my home, having never lost power but without public transit. I didn't feel fear or anxiety. I was just floating.

This year has been one filled with lessons for me, but the one that keeps punching me out is the fact that I "know" what to do better and better as I've connected a lot of dots in my awareness with what I have been studying this year (finally went through the cog-science and narcissism works fully, and a lot of healing has come from it so far), but am still reactionary and still being pummeled by my predator. And it actually terrifies me as I write this that I have the 'vocabulary' of the work, while still so programmed, because it just becomes a way more insidious cloak for pathological patterns. It's disgusting the way I can twist these concepts to serve my own selfishness and lack of actual participation. Yes, I have learned to better distinguish my predator's "flavor," particularly by working on body awareness and contextual thinking (as opposed to black and white, good-bad types of automatic categories) and recognizing and "calling out" some of the self-deception tricks that continue to work. I have made some advances in the area of guilt cycles because I am recognizing the self-sabotaging pattern as pretty predictable and can cut it off usually once I see it.

But, given the events of this week I am totally at a loss. I clearly don't know well enough what in me is real because I was unable to find its voice in a time where I very well may have been needed to "rise to the occasion." And if I cannot rise to the occasion in the belly of the beast, there really isn't time to be messing around. As I have known. But I truly feel "trapped" here right now and I don't trust my thinking enough to tell if this is for any legitimate reason or not.

I suppose this is the 'preamble' to a proper response to Anart's question, but I don't even know how to begin to sort through all of the reasoning I have in place for why I am still in NYC. I find that my default response to this environment is disgust, or feeling suffocated, but I remain. Instead of rambling, I will try over the next few days to use some writing exercises to get to something clear and straightforward. Hopefully, then I can write something here that might be worth dissecting. Today, I feel a bit sick: like I just woke up with head trauma and now need to groggily pick up the pieces. I would like to apologize to the forum here for not checking in, as it in no way reflects what I TELL myself daily: that the people on this forum and the work done here is deeply important to me. I want my being to reflect this as opposed to just my private narrative. Words, words, words...

 

[meta-agnostic]

I'm wondering if this storm has convinced any of you who reside in NY/NJ metropolitan areas to get the heck out of Dodge before whatever hits next?

I've been mulling it over for some time. I did recently move to a location in NYC where I'm probably better off than previously but it's hardly likely to matter when TS really HTF.

Similar to what SethianSeth wrote, I feel myself sort of floating along not really knowing what to do. I want to be where the universe wants me to be in the coming days more than any hardwired instinct for survival, otherwise I would have left a while ago. I just don't have any real plan of what to do next, but the constant nagging reminder that I might/will have to do something. I could move back in with my parents in the Midwest, or possibly come to some kind of arrangement with friends or even just get an apartment in an area that doesn't have an obvious bull's eye on it. To top it off, [3D GOLDEN CAGE ALERT] my job seems fairly secure right now and trying to start again somewhere else in this economic environment is daunting. However, I'm totally mentally prepared to cash out my retirement from my current job and roll the dice if I had some sort of plan or goal to work toward and a physical network of people I could rely on. I know if I wait too long the options are likely to become much more limited.

Anyone have a good location to start a commune or need more members for a current one? If we're going to have to do this kind of thing "after", why not get a head start?

 

[Nook]

It's crazy that they want to go back to business as usual. Why reopen business in the city when gas is short, trains don't cross the river, and half the city was still out (and more than half the suburbs)? My friend made a good point: They want to keep people busy, distracted... even if it is in futile attempts of sitting hours in traffic or standing hours on lines for buses.

Yes, back to 'normal', draining people any way they can.

I'm wondering if this storm has convinced any of you who reside in NY/NJ metropolitan areas to get the heck out of Dodge before whatever hits next?

I never seriously considered it until now, to be honest. But my nihilistic/passivity program keeps telling me 'I'm gonna die when I have to die, whatever I do won't make much of a difference, it can only delay the inevitable'
And this program is fueled by another program/ 'adjustment' a few years back for I've had a death wish for years which is at times stronger and weaker at other times but so far I haven't managed to get rid of it.

In my head, just moving off the islands would be enough. Like NJ or the Bronx or north of the Bronx, just so we're on the continent and won't be trapped on an island if anything happens.

Anyone have a good location to start a commune or need more members for a current one? If we're going to have to do this kind of thing "after", why not get a head start?

My first thought was 'That's a great idea, we should start a commune' but on second thought, that would make us very vulnerable, basically letting the PTB get rid of a bunch of us easily.

 

[Laura]

Anybody want (and able) to move to the countryside in Mexico? We've got a line on a hacienda/farm there. Thing is, peeps would need to be able to either have an income for awhile and/or some bux to put in the kitty to buy the place. Aside from those qualifications, you need to be really working on yourself, understand how it is done at least in theory, be a member of FOTCM. There is a possibility also, once there are some warm bodies there, of expanding an already existing business and starting a new one. Computer skills very valuable. Also farming and hand-man skills. What you don't know, though, you can learn. Send me an email at laura(at)sott.net if you qualify/are interested.

 

[seek10]

I'm wondering if this storm has convinced any of you who reside in NY/NJ metropolitan areas to get the heck out of Dodge before whatever hits next?

This is the thought that keeps popping up after watching ‘Surviror’ series and while I was looking for Jobs and last weeks developments. Despite some serious interest in my resume, I failed to get the job in the NY/NJ metro area where I was looking for, due to some strategic blunders, serious OVER qualification issues for the positions I was applying , my understanding of what type of work is good for me etc. So I expanded my territory of search and I picked up one in Delaware from what I got. Though I am doing car pooling for now,intention is to either move to south jersey( 1 hour drive for both my kids and work) or stay near the work location during week days. For now, I am gathering information and trying out different options. Interestingly, I almost got one in Metro area as of Friday and was contemplating whether to pursue that one or not. Moving away too far from kids is a challenge, as that calls for facing weekly insane flights procedure, if I have to take care of the kids in the weekends. so I was thinking of south jersey for now, though the security in that county is not as great as now, but who knows what will happen when the sh*t hits the fan.

 

[anart]

I need to flesh out a thoughtful response to this question. I am disturbed by the way I have acted over this past week. We actively prepared our home on Sunday in Brooklyn, and were confident that we were well provided for in the 5-12 days duration. From that time on, until today actually (my first day back in Manhattan for work), I let myself fall totally to sleep. I never contacted this forum, though I could and should have. I spent all day reading and eating more than I normally do, outside of my normal bounds (I had been following the KD, but certainly kicked myself out of ketosis). I wasn't self observing, and I allowed myself to "miss" any opportunities I may have had to help others in any legitimate way because I isolated myself in my home, having never lost power but without public transit. I didn't feel fear or anxiety. I was just floating.

I never seriously considered it until now, to be honest. But my nihilistic/passivity program keeps telling me 'I'm gonna die when I have to die, whatever I do won't make much of a difference, it can only delay the inevitable'
And this program is fueled by another program/ 'adjustment' a few years back for I've had a death wish for years which is at times stronger and weaker at other times but so far I haven't managed to get rid of it.

In my head, just moving off the islands would be enough. Like NJ or the Bronx or north of the Bronx, just so we're on the continent and won't be trapped on an island if anything happens.

I've been mulling it over for some time. I did recently move to a location in NYC where I'm probably better off than previously but it's hardly likely to matter when TS really HTF.

Similar to what SethianSeth wrote, I feel myself sort of floating along not really knowing what to do.

It sounds rather like you're all under the effect of the frequency fence - you are not reacting to an immediate threat in a normal way, the passivity of your reactions is quite noteworthy:

Q: (Galahad) What is the major problem facing the group at the moment?

A: Stalling frequency waves.

Q: What can we do to jump-start the group?

A: Requires will and knowledge. You share, they find will if it is there to find.

Q: (A) What kind of knowledge do we need to share?

A: That their lack of ability to see and do is due to deliberate stalling.

Q: (Galahad) Can you elaborate?

A: They are in a frequency fence being stored for later food.

Q: (A) Are we also in a fence? Or, are we different?

A: Quite.

Q: We are quite different?

A: Yes.

Q: What makes us different?

A: Seeing and doing.

Q: Well, if we have a network, different people are doing different things. They are at different levels. Shouldn't we consider it in this light?

A: You were in as bad condition before leaving the USA, remember?

Q: (Galahad) Can they overcome the stalling?

A: If they wish.

From what I understand, the only way to overcome the stalling is to push through with the force of your will - basically push the envelope and make something happen. Others might have more input.

 

[mabar]

From what I understand, the only way to overcome the stalling is to push through with the force of your will - basically push the envelope and make something happen. Others might have more input.

Anart, perhaps your wonderings may be a wake up call to them. (A wake up call to many, including myself, I think.) After this shock of destruction.

An association from memories kissing the floor came to my mind, just after my falls (I recall various of them) the first thoughts just almost before the pain, were pretty much the same: I just wanted to be there for a “while” –at the floor. Others around me and the thought of being stung by an scorpion or run over by a car forced myself to get up.

 

[Nook]

It sounds rather like you're all under the effect of the frequency fence - you are not reacting to an immediate threat in a normal way, the passivity of your reactions is quite noteworthy:

Q: (Galahad) What is the major problem facing the group at the moment?

A: Stalling frequency waves.

Q: What can we do to jump-start the group?

A: Requires will and knowledge. You share, they find will if it is there to find.

Q: (A) What kind of knowledge do we need to share?

A: That their lack of ability to see and do is due to deliberate stalling.

Q: (Galahad) Can you elaborate?

A: They are in a frequency fence being stored for later food.

Q: (A) Are we also in a fence? Or, are we different?

A: Quite.

Q: We are quite different?

A: Yes.

Q: What makes us different?

A: Seeing and doing.

Q: Well, if we have a network, different people are doing different things. They are at different levels. Shouldn't we consider it in this light?

A: You were in as bad condition before leaving the USA, remember?

Q: (Galahad) Can they overcome the stalling?

A: If they wish.

From what I understand, the only way to overcome the stalling is to push through with the force of your will - basically push the envelope and make something happen. Others might have more input.

I definitely haven't been reacting in a normal way to many things and this immediate threat was no exception.

Which - aside from the fact that my previous post only focused on programs as I didn't include real reasons - points to the conclusion that this is what's been going on. And it is time I realized that.

I already started thinking about where it would be best for us to move as I live with two other forum members - as some of you know - who are the only family I have and they are very important to me. Whatever the decision will be, it has to be a group decision.
I started asking around about what experiences my co-workers had in several areas, etc. There are many factors involved - research and weighing of pros and cons to be done - but we have a choice.

Thank you, Anart.

 

[Gimpy]

I need to flesh out a thoughtful response to this question. I am disturbed by the way I have acted over this past week. We actively prepared our home on Sunday in Brooklyn, and were confident that we were well provided for in the 5-12 days duration. From that time on, until today actually (my first day back in Manhattan for work), I let myself fall totally to sleep. I never contacted this forum, though I could and should have. I spent all day reading and eating more than I normally do, outside of my normal bounds (I had been following the KD, but certainly kicked myself out of ketosis). I wasn't self observing, and I allowed myself to "miss" any opportunities I may have had to help others in any legitimate way because I isolated myself in my home, having never lost power but without public transit. I didn't feel fear or anxiety. I was just floating.

I never seriously considered it until now, to be honest. But my nihilistic/passivity program keeps telling me 'I'm gonna die when I have to die, whatever I do won't make much of a difference, it can only delay the inevitable'
And this program is fueled by another program/ 'adjustment' a few years back for I've had a death wish for years which is at times stronger and weaker at other times but so far I haven't managed to get rid of it.

In my head, just moving off the islands would be enough. Like NJ or the Bronx or north of the Bronx, just so we're on the continent and won't be trapped on an island if anything happens.

I've been mulling it over for some time. I did recently move to a location in NYC where I'm probably better off than previously but it's hardly likely to matter when TS really HTF.

Similar to what SethianSeth wrote, I feel myself sort of floating along not really knowing what to do.

It sounds rather like you're all under the effect of the frequency fence - you are not reacting to an immediate threat in a normal way, the passivity of your reactions is quite noteworthy:

Q: (Galahad) What is the major problem facing the group at the moment?

A: Stalling frequency waves.

Q: What can we do to jump-start the group?

A: Requires will and knowledge. You share, they find will if it is there to find.

Q: (A) What kind of knowledge do we need to share?

A: That their lack of ability to see and do is due to deliberate stalling.

Q: (Galahad) Can you elaborate?

A: They are in a frequency fence being stored for later food.

Q: (A) Are we also in a fence? Or, are we different?

A: Quite.

Q: We are quite different?

A: Yes.

Q: What makes us different?

A: Seeing and doing.

Q: Well, if we have a network, different people are doing different things. They are at different levels. Shouldn't we consider it in this light?

A: You were in as bad condition before leaving the USA, remember?

Q: (Galahad) Can they overcome the stalling?

A: If they wish.

From what I understand, the only way to overcome the stalling is to push through with the force of your will - basically push the envelope and make something happen. Others might have more input.

First time you push through that kind of stalling effect is tough. Part of that is biology: under stress our brains lock up.

I've been thinking about the storm a lot and realizing that people in general are no longer able to handle any kind of actual violence, be it in the form of Nature cleaning house or just a creep on the street. If people don't understand the physical responses, or learn to move through them without becoming overwhelmed by them, it gets a lot uglier than it needs to be.

It takes consistent practice doing small things to break the bigger ones. Once the power comes back on? Pick a known distraction and keep it powered off. Start there?

 

[Soluna]

Thank you for bringing up these important questions - for me it has certainly made me look at my cushioned cage in a far more critical light. I have this horrible feeling that for the majority of my life I was piling more cushions into my spartan cage, and threw away the key a long time ago - and have no idea what to do now I want out - and then even if someone was to hand me the key, I don't know what I would do with it, or even if I would know what to do once I was out. I feel very impotent - but I know it's another wall to climb and I need to find the Will to climb it.

 

[supriyanoel]

In the last few days I have witnessed individuals staying in their cars and sleeping in them at night in fear of being robbed. These peoples homes are on the long strip of road right in front of the boardwalk, and they are sleeping in the cars so they can see the house. Now its been very cold and people have been generous in offering clothing, blankets etc. In certain other areas near the beach fires are burning all night and food being prepared and given out, again by citizens.I have asked people I know and others I barely know if they wanted use of any facility I had to offer, including sleeping quarters and so far everyone has had other options they are using. They is a big looting problem going on, so people don't want to wander too far away from their property. I am very concerned about the animals that may be lost, and in this area I need to be rational, and not try to bite off what I can't chew. I am still not OK with that , rationalizing that I should act and think about how to take care and feed these guys later. This is weak area for me and I can end up doing more harm than good. Animals are also being held at shelters until owners can retrieve them. When I saw pictures of them loading some on a truck, unfortunately I lose it and get paralyzed with rage and helplessness that takes time and work to balance. Because I am getting out of Dodge, and my house is for sale the house had to be in a certaincondition. This means I take all animals on a little 3hr trip while my realtor conducts open houses. Where would these animals fit? In my car? Probably not. It feels and is so selfish to consider these things to me. I should be caring about the homeless ones by taking some action and be damned with the house and my situation! I loathe this and feel like a hypocrite. I rationalize by saying I will be of more help when I am in a different position. I want to crawl under a rock as I utter these words. Its taking a lot of strength to resist the images I get of these animals calling out. I'm sure others relate. In all reasonable reality we are all calling out in some way I think. To subjugate myself to feeding this line of thinking is not conducive to health and well being. I am choosing to not enter that trap. As I aspire to STO, I am still STS. And rather than choosing to get sick, I am accepting these limitations. I am not there yet. I have asked sincerely and intensely to learn all I need to learn. And WOW has my life gotten difficult. It had also made me use my mind in ways I never would of thought probable. As as hard as it gets I will never give up or lose faith for very long. I said this when I was 2 yrs. old, in other words. I remember what I meant and felt, as I dragged an encyclopedia that was almost as bis as me, around with me. I was going to find out the truth, whatever it took. I have never stopped no matter what it looked like on the outside or to others. This hurricane is the first time in a long time that I've witnessed people gathering and talking without the usual ringleaders draining the energy out of others. Not a feeding frenzy like the one Laura witnessed a long time ago while observing people from afar without hearing the conversations. Just watching how energy is exchanged and the imbalances that happen therein. It was hopeful.

 

[webglider]

quote from supriyanoel:

Its taking a lot of strength to resist the images I get of these animals calling out. I'm sure others relate. In all reasonable reality we are all calling out in some way I think. To subjugate myself to feeding this line of thinking is not conducive to health and well being. I am choosing to not enter that trap. As I aspire to STO, I am still STS. And rather th,an choosing to get sick, I am accepting these limitations. I am not there yet. I have asked sincerely and intensely to learn all I need to learn.

Maybe you could hook up with the humane society. In this email they're asking for donations, but you could call the Washington number and ask about volunteering.

https://secure.humanesociety.org/site/Donation2?idb=0&df_id=11020&11020.donation=form1&autologin=true&s_src=em_sandydrf110612&JServSessionIdr004=ixatg5azwa.app305b

I also am wondering if putting your house on the market now may not be the best timing. Since you are fortunate enough to be okay for now, you have time to do some research about where you would like to live and if you could afford to move.

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that real estate on Staten Island would be soft right now, and that if you wait, you might get a better price in the future.

Hope this helps a little