Wolves attack people

[Z...]

Re: Wolves Lose Their Predatory Edge In Mid-life, Study Shows

Speaking of women who run with the wolves

It doesn't interest me what you do for a living. I want to know what you ache for and if you dare to dream of meeting your heart's longing.

It doesn't interest me how old you are. I want to know if you will risk looking like a fool for love, for your dream, for the adventure of being alive.

It doesn't interest me what planets are squaring your moon. I want to know if you have touched the centre of your own sorrow, if you have been opened by life's betrayals or have become shrivelled and closed from fear of further pain.

I want to know if you can sit with pain, mine or your own, without moving to hide it, or fade it, or fix it.

I want to know if you can be with joy, mine or your own; if you can dance with wildness and let the ecstasy fill you to the tips of your fingers and toes without cautioning us to
be careful, be realistic, remember the limitations of being human.

It doesn't interest me if the story you are telling me is true. I want to know if you can
disappoint another to be true to yourself. If you can bear the accusation of betrayal
and not betray your own soul. If you can be faithless and therefore trustworthy.

I want to know if you can see Beauty even when it is not pretty every day. And if you can source your own life from its presence.

I want to know if you can live with failure, yours and mine, and still stand at the edge of the lake and shout to the silver of the full moon, 'Yes.'

It doesn't interest me to know where you live or how much money you have. I want to know if you can get up after the night of grief and despair, weary and bruised to the bone and do what needs to be done to feed the children.

It doesn't interest me who you know or how you came to be here. I want to know if you will stand in the centre of the fire with me and not shrink back.

It doesn't interest me where or what or with whom you have studied. I want to know what sustains you from the inside when all else falls away.

I want to know if you can be alone with yourself and if you truly like the company you keep in the empty moments.​

somehow when I read this I always see the wolf howling at he moon in the background

 

[RyanX]

Re: Wolves Lose Their Predatory Edge In Mid-life, Study Shows

Maybe I'm wrong, but that is the common stereotype to see wolves as predatory in a symbolic way though, especially in stories and fables.

Their is a difference between being predatory, and being psychopathic. I may be wrong, but didn't the C's say that psychopathy is a distinctly human trait? Animals, on the other hand, rely solely on instinct and are hard-wired for survival. It is difficult to fault any animal for doing what it needs to survive in the wilderness. That's a difficult life out there. And why is there such a big deal made out of animals attacking humans? Are we not also edible? They are hungry, we are meat. What other considerations does a predator need to make? I guess the only other factor would be the possibility that their prey could attack them, which is why predators avoid humans for the most part. Not an easy catch, but sometimes hunger overrides everything else.

Heimdallr, you are correct. Upon further thought, I don't think it would be possible for a wolf to survive without this predatory trait. For some reason I had the concepts of predation and psychopathy confused in my thinking today. Predation in humans can be the result of psychopathy, but predation alone doesn't imply psychopathy. And in animals, who knows exactly what their psychological world consists of? I don't think anybody can say that for sure. It must be very different from our own.

[quote author=Nienna]Yes, my bad, I did not use concise language, once again, my apologies.[/quote]

No, my apologies, I didn't mean to come off so sounding harsh regarding your post. I clearly saw something in it that wasn't there and I should have asked for clarification. It was my misunderstanding.

[quote author=Nienna]
You state that wolves have preyed on domesticated animals. Well, yes they have. But maybe you should also ask yourself why.[/quote]

I actually did ponder this today. I would guess that the best answer would probably be habitat encroachment. Although, as long as humans and wolves must live on this planet, it would be best to do so in separate regions instead of trying to exist in the same region/eco-system, I think. But that would be true of a lot of other animals too. I'm not sure how something like that could be accomplished. I've been a long time supporter of preserving land for wildlife purposes. Something along these lines seems like the best solution.

[quote author=Neinna]So, of course, the human's solution to this is to demonize the wolf and go out and kill it and its pack.

However, all the wolves are trying to do is fill their bellies. They are not "acting" psychopathic. Do you understand what I am trying to say?[/quote]

Yes, I do, it makes perfect sense now. As I stated above, I was confusing these concepts of predation and psychopathy. My only pondering is if predation in the animal world could be compared in some ways to psychopathy in humans, but on further thinking and from reading the posts on here, I see this is a wrong path and probably useless path of thought.

FWIW, I feel like I've learned more about wolves today than I think I ever would have otherwise :)

 

[Nienna]

Re: Wolves Lose Their Predatory Edge In Mid-life, Study Shows

I actually did ponder this today. I would guess that the best answer would probably be habitat encroachment. Although, as long as humans and wolves must live on this planet, it would be best to do so in separate regions instead of trying to exist in the same region/eco-system, I think. But that would be true of a lot of other animals too. I'm not sure how something like that could be accomplished. I've been a long time supporter of preserving land for wildlife purposes. Something along these lines seems like the best solution.

I understand and I share your goals. :)

Something that I have always dreamed of, while I was dissociating, is that all animals would be free of confinement, to roam and play and to interact with humans without fear. And for humans and animals to be able to communicate telepathically so as to be able to help each other in times of need.

Fantasy, I know, and as I said, dissociating. And, of course, not in this world, but maybe in 4D.....

 

[Z...]

Re: Wolves Lose Their Predatory Edge In Mid-life, Study Shows

This might be interesting for the topic

I was recently approached by a psychiatric researcher from Harvard who wished to study the genetics of canine aggression in the hope that this might shed more light on the inheritance of aggressive behavior in humans. It has been suggested as well that we could learn a good deal about panic attacks and anxiety disorders in humans from more careful study of canine separation anxiety. There are also many similarities between compulsive behaviors exhibited by dogs, such as self licking or tail chasing, and human obssesive-compulsive disorder. To the uninitiated these parallels may seem far fetched. After all dog is a dog and human is human, right?
Granted, there are many differences but the biological similarities are striking. For example, the brains of dogs and humans are quite similar in structure and function. Chemical messengers ( neuro transmitters) are also identical in the two species and have similar functions, such as mediating mood, social behavior, and sexual behaviors although we are programmed a little differently in terms of our innate drives. Its hardly surprising then, that similar things can go wrong with humans and dogs or that similar medications can be used for treatments of those problems.
The use of Prozac to treat compulsive disorders and aggression in dogs recently raised a furor. How could a human psychiatric medication be used to treat dumb animal? Dogs dont get depressed and anxious, do they? Well, actually they do... and in general experience a gamut of psychological problems similar to those of humans. Although early ethologists gave little credence to animal cognition, the current trend is to accept that higher animals do have conscious awareness and can experience thoughts and emotions similar to our own.
Much to disappointment of the old school, Prozac and other psychotropic medications can be used quite effectively for the treatment of many veterinary behavioral problems. Antiobssesional drugs, tricyclic antidepressants and various state-of-the-art anxiety alleviating medications are proving invaluable in behavioral veterinary medicine. In most cases though, they are best used in conjunction with specific behavior-modification therapy.

 

[treesparrow]

Wolves attack people in Karelian Town

A pack of wolves terrorized locals in the streets of a Karelian town, not returning to the woods until police opened fire, killing two.

The incident took place on Monday in Pitkyaranta, a town of 12,000 located near the Finnish border, some 670 kilometers northeast of Moscow, local police reported.

“A frightened man called police to report he had just been attacked by wolves…not in the woods, but on the city’s Parkovaya Ulitsa,” a police spokesman said.

A police patrol dispatched to Parkovaya Ulitsa discovered several wolves waiting outside the door of an apartment building. The animals ignored the police car, but one of them charged when the officers left the vehicle. They shot the wolf and then another who also tried to attack, prompting the pack to trudge back toward the forest where it came from.

The thermometer stood at moderate minus 12 degrees Celsius in Pitkyaranta on Monday, down some six degrees from last week’s average, according to Gismeteo.ru weather forecaster.

http://en.ria.ru/strange/20120131/171045959.html

 

[Gimpy]

Wolves attack people in Karelian Town

A pack of wolves terrorized locals in the streets of a Karelian town, not returning to the woods until police opened fire, killing two.

The incident took place on Monday in Pitkyaranta, a town of 12,000 located near the Finnish border, some 670 kilometers northeast of Moscow, local police reported.

“A frightened man called police to report he had just been attacked by wolves…not in the woods, but on the city’s Parkovaya Ulitsa,” a police spokesman said.

A police patrol dispatched to Parkovaya Ulitsa discovered several wolves waiting outside the door of an apartment building. The animals ignored the police car, but one of them charged when the officers left the vehicle. They shot the wolf and then another who also tried to attack, prompting the pack to trudge back toward the forest where it came from.

The thermometer stood at moderate minus 12 degrees Celsius in Pitkyaranta on Monday, down some six degrees from last week’s average, according to Gismeteo.ru weather forecaster.

http://en.ria.ru/strange/20120131/171045959.html

Makes me wonder if the man that was attacked was ill in some way? Its not a good sign that the wolves were used to cars, also, are they sure these were wolves and not just a pack of feral dogs? (I don't know how common wolves are in Finland.)

Where I live we have large packs of coyotes, and feral dogs. I've learned the times and routes of most of their behavior since I walk with a limp and don't wish to be munched. ;) Either way its not a good sign that they are coming into town this way....makes me wonder how well the garbage is secured and what else might be going on in the woods.

 

[Nienna]

Makes me wonder if the man that was attacked was ill in some way? Its not a good sign that the wolves were used to cars, also, are they sure these were wolves and not just a pack of feral dogs? (I don't know how common wolves are in Finland.)

Where I live we have large packs of coyotes, and feral dogs. I've learned the times and routes of most of their behavior since I walk with a limp and don't wish to be munched. ;) Either way its not a good sign that they are coming into town this way....makes me wonder how well the garbage is secured and what else might be going on in the woods.

What else is going on in the woods is what I am wondering about as well. I've never heard of wolves just coming into town and attacking people just for something to do. Of course, I just could've missed out on that info, but it seems very strange the way these wolves are acting.

 

[Keit]

What else is going on in the woods is what I am wondering about as well. I've never heard of wolves just coming into town and attacking people just for something to do. Of course, I just could've missed out on that info, but it seems very strange the way these wolves are acting.

Same goes for sharks that started attacking on an unprecedented level in various ares of the world.

 

[Nević Nenad]

Wolfs attacks people in the winter, thats is not unusual for rural parts of the world. Especially if it is very cold and harsh winter. Usually the wolf packs go for the easier pray, such are sheep, cattle, goats, but people are eatable too.

Quick Google search. From Croatia:

http://www.zadarskilist.hr/clanci/13122010/vukovi-ponovno-haraju-slivnicom

http://www.kostajnica.info/index.php/vijesti-hrvatska-kostajnica/96-dnevnikhr-jeza-kod-kostajnice



Therefore people breed the wolfhound dogs for guarding their animals, such as this one Sarplaninac:

Some more on them on several languages, if someone is interested :)

http://sarplaninac-lesmontagnesserbes.info/montagnes%20serbes%20en%20francais.htm

 

[treesparrow]

Wiki has a list of reported wolf attacks on humans throughout history with the last 200 years showing that most of the attacks were carried out on either children, females or the elderly.

]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_attacks#cite_note-4]

It has mentions this fascinating account where wolves driven by hunger attacked troops.

During the First World War, starving wolves had amassed in great numbers in Kaunas, Vilnius and Minsk and began attacking Imperial Russian and Imperial German fighting forces, causing the two fighting armies to form a temporary truce to fight off the animals.

Full story at -
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9E0DE3DD103BE03ABC4151DFB166838C609EDE&oref=slogin

 

[Z...]

Full story at -
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9E0DE3DD103BE03ABC4151DFB166838C609EDE&oref=slogin

very interesting find. Sounds like a movie plot.

 

[bngenoh]

very interesting find. Sounds like a movie plot.

Reminds me of this quote "Any sufficiently plausible fiction is indistinguishable from reality, conversely, any sufficiently twisted reality is indistinguishable from fiction." or more simply "Reality is much stranger than any fiction can ever hope to be."

 

[Gimpy]

Full story at -
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9E0DE3DD103BE03ABC4151DFB166838C609EDE&oref=slogin

very interesting find. Sounds like a movie plot.

Hmmm. Reminds me of the lions of Savo, "Ghost and the Darkness". The movie sensationalized it a bit. The truth? The lions were old brothers, and they began by eating corpses of workers who died from malaria from the construction crew building the bridge. They went on to munch anyone else who was sick or injured. There was nothing 'spooky' in it, once the facts are known.

The lions of Savo have always hunted people. Even today, there are places and times the locals will not go, because of these lions.

Predators are opportunists. They don't pass up food. So what's happened to bring them near humans, against 'normal' inclinations?

It makes me wonder, are these wolves really doing anything out of the ordinary for predators, or have people just forgotten how to pay attention and not be munched on? What are they smelling that we can't? :/

 

[bngenoh]

It makes me wonder, are these wolves really doing anything out of the ordinary for predators, or have people just forgotten how to pay attention and not be munched on? What are they smelling that we can't? :/

"I" think it is a lot that people have just forgotten how to pay attention, and maybe something else that is maybe making creatures everywhere more restless.

 

[shellycheval]

very interesting find. Sounds like a movie plot.

Apparently it is--according to Rolling Stone and others, Liam Neeson is starring in a new (bad) movie about a pack of wolves attacking humans. Animal rights groups are protesting that it exaggerates wolf behaviors. I have not read about it it depth--just thought it is interesting timing.
shellycheval