Wolves attack people

[Laura]

very interesting find. Sounds like a movie plot.

Apparently it is--according to Rolling Stone and others, Liam Neeson is starring in a new (bad) movie about a pack of wolves attacking humans. Animal rights groups are protesting that it exaggerates wolf behaviors. I have not read about it it depth--just thought it is interesting timing.
shellycheval

The strange, ganging-up activity of wolves, going after humans, is brought up in the Sci-fi book "The Fifth Winter" which is about the sudden onset of an Ice Age sort of along the line of "The Day After Tomorrow" which is based on Streiber/Bell's "The Coming Global Superstorm" which is based on still another Sci-fi book "Mother of Storms."

 

[Guardian]

A pack of wolves will attack anything IF they're hungry enough. They're very good at risk assessment, and how much risk the pack is willing to take by attacking dangerous prey is usually directly proportional to how hungry they are. If wolves are attacking lone humans it normally means that there's too little food, or too many wolves.

 

[Possibility of Being]

I've merged this topic with an older one as they're close enough; let's have the wolf issues together. :)

 

[Laura]

Don't forget that wolves are just a few DNA modifications away from dogs, man's best friend and, IMO, one of the most wonderful creatures on the planet.

Wolves wouldn't be hunting humans if humans hadn't screwed up the planet so badly.

 

[Oxajil]

Don't forget that wolves are just a few DNA modifications away from dogs, man's best friend and, IMO, one of the most wonderful creatures on the planet.

Wolves wouldn't be hunting humans if humans hadn't screwed up the planet so badly.

Yea, and it could be an example of animals becoming smarter due to the approach of the Wave, as once was mentioned during one of the sessions.

I love your new picture by the way!! :D

 

[Voyageur]

Don't forget that wolves are just a few DNA modifications away from dogs, man's best friend and, IMO, one of the most wonderful creatures on the planet.

Wolves wouldn't be hunting humans if humans hadn't screwed up the planet so badly.

Indeed. Also, wolves, like other animal groups, if alpha male in wolf pacts or cows, such as cow elk are disrupted, killed or exposed to environmental toxins that inhibit their traditional dna and ancestral patterns such as where to go and what to hunt, pacts/groups/herds can display anomalies based on these leadership changes.

A pack of wolves will attack anything IF they're hungry enough. They're very good at risk assessment, and how much risk the pack is willing to take by attacking dangerous prey is usually directly proportional to how hungry they are. If wolves are attacking lone humans it normally means that there's too little food, or too many wolves.

Yes too, if the food sources are depleted they will turn to the next thing in the food chain and humans are not regarded to be on that chain generally so things are getting pretty bad where this is happening or the above is dominant in their packs.

 

[Mikey]

In Book 2 of Beelzebubs Tales, Gurdjieff explains why animals may attack people, and why certain people may not be attacked:

"Here it will do you no harm to say, that among your favorites there have long existed in each locality, special forms for outward relationship, for the reason that the inner feeling of relationship common to all the beings of the Universe without difference of form or place of existence, has long been destroyed in them.

"Good or bad relations among them are established at the present time only by external manifestations, chiefly by politeness, as it is called, that is to say, by empty words.

"However much one being might inwardly wish another being good, if for some reason or other, he should express himself in the wrong words...all would be over. The other being would be quite certain that his real well-wisher only lived to give him trouble.

"It is therefore extremely important to know the customary forms of speech in order to make friends and avoid making enemies.

"It is also interesting to note that the abnormal existence of your favorites has not only spoiled their own psyche, but it has reacted on the psyche of other forms of beings on this same planet.

"Such an inner feeling is entirely atrophied in those forms of beings with which your favorites have a frequent contact, and it has been preserved only among those other forms of beings, whose form of existence is such that they have no contact at all with these biped beings of yours; as for example, those called tigers, lions, bears, hyenas, snakes, falangas, scorpions and so forth.

"In the psyche of these forms of beings moreover, a very strange peculiarity has been formed. These tigers, lions, bears, hyenas, snakes, falangas, scorpions and so forth, perceive the inner feeling of fear of other beings as hostility, and hence try to destroy them in self-defence.

"This strange peculiarity in their psyche was also acquired on account of your favorites. Thanks as usual to their abnormal conditions of existence, they gradually become cowards from head to foot; and at the same time, and equally completely the peculiarity of destroying the existence of other beings entered into them.

"Being thus by nature cowards of the highest degree, whenever they set out to kill other forms of beings or accidentally meet any of them, who, physically and in other respects, are much stronger than themselves, they sweat with fear, and long with all their being for a means of killing them. In this manner, in the psyche of beings who have no frequent contact with your favorites, side by side with the real function placed in them by Nature, instinctively to pay respect to those forms of beings, which in the gradation of the sacred reasonableness are higher than themselves, an instinct is gradually acquired and formed, owing to which the feeling of fear in others is perceived as a menace to their own life, which menace they try accordingly to destroy.

"In spite of the difference of their exterior forms, all the beings of this planet lived together at first in peace and concord; and even at the present time, it happens occasionally that one of your favorites so perfects himself that he realizes that all living creatures are alike to Our Endlessness; and then succeeds in completely destroying his fear of other forms of beings. In consequence not only do these other forms of beings not attempt to harm him but they even pay him every respect and render him every service as a being higher in the scale of reasonableness.

"In short, my dear boy, thus arose among your favorites, various forms of politeness and in each locality, these forms differ.

 

[kenlee]

Thanks for the excerpt Data. This made me think of what Illion said about being attacked by animals in his book Darkness Over Tibet taken from here http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/tibet.htm

It's always a great read!

At this point, the conversation diverts to Illionss lack of fear evidenced by the fact that he is traveling alone and sleeps in the open without worrying about bandits or wild animals. The exchange that followed is s is another fascinating tidbit:

"Are you never attacked by animals?"

"Seldom, " I answered. "The animals which are on the rising branch of life are very kind to me. I do not think even a lion would attack me, although I never met one. I have had very pleasant experiences, though, with bears and some other so-called wild animals."

"I heard a story about a bear," said Dolma. "I will tell it to you. Perhaps you will be able to tell me whether such a thing can happen... A man who often broke the law which prohibits hunting had obtained a white man's death stick in the Lhasa district, and when he returned to his province he went out bear-hunting. He had shot several bears, but one day, just while he followed the track of an animal, a strong bear suddenly appeared just behind his back... [...] The hunter was so afraid when he saw the big bear just behind his back that he dropped his gun and stared aghast at the animal, who could have crushed him in a couple of seconds. [...] The bear looked at the frail creature who stood tremblingly before him, his gun lying at his feet, and calmly walked away."

"I can believe that, " I said, "for bears have a soul, although they are only at times individualized. By the way, it is easy to say whether the hunter in the story had a soul or not."

"How?"

"If the hunter had a soul, it was impossible for him to take up the gun to shoot after the bear. If he was soulless, he would have done so at once."

"Are there soulless animals too?"

"Oh yes. The animals on the descending branch of life are soulless. [...] Ravens, rats, mice - vermin, for instance."

"They behave like a soulless man?"

"Yes."

"Did these entities inhabit men before?"

"Perhaps, many thousand years ago. When they lost their soul they began to move downward."

"It is very strange. When I visited India I heard so much about progressive evolution - that life always passed upward, that the souls in minerals became souls in plants, then in animals, and after this in man, and that man finally must become an angel and that all this is only a question of time."

"Life would have no meaning if there was no alternative between light and darkness," I said. "There are two currents of life. One is moving upward and the other downward. The moment one loses one's soul one is precipitated into the downward current."

"How can one lose one's soul?"

"By sinning against one's soul."

"By a sensual life?"

"Oh no, in most cases that is a sin against one's body. You may suffer for it in this life or in some future incarnation."

"By treating other's badly, then?"

"No, as a rule, even this is no sin against your soul. You will get your punishment for treating others badly in this or some future incarnation, although wanton cruelty to defenceless creatures, ratlike ingratitude, or an innate tendency to spy on others already reveal a certain degree of soullessness which may be due to sins committed against one's soul in former incarnations."

"Well, then, what is a sin against one's soul?"

"Using spiritual things for selfish purposes. Dragging God down to earth. Trying to put oneself on a level with the Creator."

"Then many of us here sin like that!"

"Yes, but also people in other countries."

Illion brings this subject up a number of times and it certainly defines the "bottom line" of the STS reality of "wishful thinking." To tell lies and live in an illusion is, effectively, "using God for selfish purposes." He says that each such act of this chips away at one's free will, one's soul, etc.

 

[Mikey]

Thanks kenlee, this was interesting!

 

[Keit]

Here is an article about another predator attack. It's not about wolves, but about a carnivorous fish of the piranha family. Still, interesting also in light of increasing shark attacks.
https://www.sott.net/articles/show/241872-Abnormal-Behavior-Bathers-attacked-by-carnivorous-fish-in-Brazil
Also, beside the fact that we screwed things so badly on this planet, it also reminded me of what Laura wrote today here.

The Cs said that what happens in the Solar system is reflective of what is happening on Earth, that as a mass consciousness, we DO very much create our reality - it mirrors us. That's what's been driving me crazy to try to convey: people, we need to deal effectively with psychopathy, clean up our act, behave civilized to each other, and that way the planet will reflect our responsibility and we won't have to go through all that stuff.

And I truly am convinced that such an approach would work. (Though it may now be too late. I've been trying to get this across to people for 17 years now.)

But psychopaths think they can create their own reality in an INDIVIDUAL way, taking no account of reality itself, and that is the conflicting element. Everybody has "your truth, my truth, his truth, her truth" and so on, and that is at the root of the mass of confusion. And that confusion is reflected back to us in our reality and what is coming upon us as a result. The more violent different groups behave toward other groups, the more "violence signals" are sent out into the cosmos attracting that violence to earth. (Where the body is, there the eagles will gather...)

And it makes me wonder if what we are witnessing is not only the result of the destruction of the ecosystem, but also something more symbolic, like a representation of an increasing entropy.

 

[treesparrow]

Wolves maul a woman to death at a zoo in Sweden

A WOMAN zookeeper was mauled to death by a pack of wolves yesterday as she fed them in their enclosure.

Eight of the wolves are thought to have surrounded and attacked the woman, who was in her 30s.

Her body was found by a colleague — but the snarling pack would not let anyone near her. Eventually brave zoo workers formed a human chain and rushed the wolves, forcing them back.

Jan Tengeborg, who organised the attempt to recover the body, said: “We couldn’t get into the enclosure because the wolves clearly did not want us in there. You can’t just walk right into a wolf pack.”

No one witnessed the attack so it is not yet clear exactly what triggered it. The dead woman has not been named.

The same pack attacked TV naturalist Arne Weise when Kolmarden Wildlife Park opened in Braviken Bay, Sweden, in 2007.

He said yesterday: “We have to stop interacting so closely with wolves. It is wrong, the risk is too great. We must recognise they are dangerous animals.”

Armed police were called to the zoo but did not open fire. Mats Höggren, director at Kolmarden — where earlier this year a girl of 15 was bitten on the leg by a wolf — said: “This is is terrible.

“She was alone in the wolves’ yard but had contact with a colleague via two-way radio.

“The colleague thought she had been gone longer than usual, so investigated and found her body.” He said the animals would not be put down.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4378342/Wolves-maul-a-woman-to-death-at-a-zoo-in-Sweden.html

 

[Gimpy]

I don't understand why a keeper would feed a pack of any kind of animal alone. That's a good way to be equated as a food source.

Friends of mine who've worked in zoos never fed animals alone, unless there were bars or barriers between them and the animals.

It also makes me wonder if she was sick? Animals can detect illness of any kind sooner than people, and it makes you food, or at the very least into prey.

When visiting the zoo, to bring the tigers out, all I need to do is limp past their enclosure...presto! Tigers. The only thing that works better is giving a toddler a ride along with me on my mobility scooter.

 

[bngenoh]

Caging anyone up will disturb them, with all that's going on in this sector of spacetime, I wouldn't be surprised if animals, which are much more sensitive to the environment than surface humans as they are right now, are sensing something, thus making them more agitated. Another instance of such behavior although not as leathal here, then we have a polar bear giving a big hint that it wants to be let out of prison.

I have always found zoos a sad place, the animals look absolutely pathetic. If you wanna experience the raw and terryfying beauty of nature, go out into the woods. The zoo experience is a sterile experience, merely a pathetic mimicry of the vivifyingness of the wild. But then again, I am wild by nature. :D ;) The song born to be wild just started playing in my head.

 

[Gertrudes]

Caging anyone up will disturb them

Definitely! A few months ago I read The Old Way: A story of the First People by Elizabeth M. Thomas. This is an account of an American woman who lived for a few years amongst the Bushmen, or Ju/wasi, in the Kalahari desert in the 50s. The Bushmen lived a peaceful life as hunter gatherers and had never been in contact with any type of civilization (if memory doesn't fail), until they met the author and her family. I recommend this book as an example of a culture that seemed to work very, very well until they were finally made "civilized" by foreigners. A social structure that was beautifully integrated with nature collapsed in a most horrendous way.

More to the point of this thread, Elizabeth Thomas describes how the Bushmen and the desert lions seemed to respect each other to a point that any encounters between them would rarely, if ever, result in a confrontation. More disfortunate events only resided in the far memory of older generations. However, within other more violent cultures where ownership of animals and more aggressive hunting methods was the norm, such as the Masai, encounters would invariably result in deaths. She described how in those lands lions were much more aggressive to any human, in almost direct opposition to the lions living on the Kalahari part of the desert where the Bushmen dwell. Here they were much less naturally aggressive.

The Bushmen's culture was torn apart with the land being taken over and "civilization" forced upon them, during those years Elizabeth Thomas lived in the states. When she returned, over 20 years after, she found not only grotesque traces of a culture that had once lived in perfect harmony with nature, but also nature itself having become grotesque. The lions were one example. Once respectful of human beings (in that part of the desert) they had, in a relatively short period of time and fruit of being gun chased by completely uneducated (in the laws of nature) white men, become highly aggressive and intolerant of any human form. Not surprisingly.

She has other very revealing examples throughout her book of how peaceful coexistence between humans and other species of animals seemed to have ingrained an almost genetic type of memory within the species itself, so much so that they behaved very differently from animals of the same species that cohabited land with bellicose humans.

We as a culture see nature and wild animals from our "civilized" man perspective, and when faced with them can only see wild beasts that need to be either killed or domesticated for our own use. "The Old Way" was populated with painful examples of the sheer ignorance of the new white landlords that found themselves entitled to not only the land itself, but to its animals and its people. The result? What can we expect, a complete collapse of what was once a peaceful coexistence now turned into an enslaving system of ownership imposed by violence and deaths, in short: a war field.

In light of the above I am not surprised that caged animals behave in ways that seem odd to 'civilized' men. Firstly, they are caged for god's sake, how can they behave normally?? It would be strange if they would, imo.
Secondly, our culture has an appallingly poor understanding of them and will tend to interpret their behavior with said civilized men's eyes, and I would go as far as to include many zoologists here.

Edit: changed word

 

[bngenoh]

Agree 100% with everything that you've said Gertrudes, that's the biggest reason for me not seeking pets because I am basically enslaving them to my needs. If an animal chooses to interact with me, like the cat that comes around, well that's cool, we hang around with each other until one of us decides to disengage. I respect their space and time, and they respect mine, this is real friendship, osit.