Words......

[societe humaine]

hi truthseeker,

i have read them, and believe it or not, i am trying,

Jerry, what if i have no hands or feet?

personally i would make any guest feel at home. blend their dinner up and let them suck it out of a straw, if that's how they wanted to eat.

of course that is only my personal, humble and honest opinion.

am i allowed those here?

may i share them with others? perhaps jerry, you hadn't considered that.

i write to share ideas. how can i write for other people, when i have no idea who any of you are?

is there anything else you don't like about my writing style, or is it just the caps thing.

i'm not going to change my style of writing, just to comment in a forum. no-one has actually commented on the merits of no capitals, just that it is not the done thing. in ten years of writing all my emails like this, i have never had a problem with my style's functionality.

sorry, but as a designer, i've never been one for form over function.

if you want me to leave, all you have to do is ask. because you are making me feel most unwelcome.

jeff

 

[truth seeker]

I do believe that you feel you're trying. I don't understand why you think something as basic as using capital letters is such a hardship? It sounds more as if you may be identified with the idea of being artistic and everything that it means to you. In other words, perhaps you feel as if you shouldn't have to do anything you don't want to regardless of the effect on others because you're above that? Perhaps you can clarify.

It's great that you're a designer but my personal thoughts on the matter are that everyone, in their own way is creative. So does that mean that everyone should do as they please at every moment?

 

[Mountain Crown]

of course that is only my personal, humble and honest opinion.
am i allowed those here?
may i share them with others? perhaps jerry, you hadn't considered that.

I was merely illustrating that conventions, though not binding, have a purpose.

We are merely responding to your posts. Your journey here may be a more productive one if you not identify so much with opinions.

Have you read the Forum Guidelines?

 

[Mrs. Peel]

wow!

do you treat all new fish like this?

jeff

Like what? We are just pointing things out and explaining concepts we use here.

 

[Mrs. Peel]

hi truthseeker,

i have read them, and believe it or not, i am trying,

Jerry, what if i have no hands or feet?

personally i would make any guest feel at home. blend their dinner up and let them suck it out of a straw, if that's how they wanted to eat.
of course that is only my personal, humble and honest opinion.

am i allowed those here?

may i share them with others? perhaps jerry, you hadn't considered that.

i write to share ideas. how can i write for other people, when i have no idea who any of you are?

is there anything else you don't like about my writing style, or is it just the caps thing.

i'm not going to change my style of writing, just to comment in a forum. no-one has actually commented on the merits of no capitals, just that it is not the done thing. in ten years of writing all my emails like this, i have never had a problem with my style's functionality.

sorry, but as a designer, i've never been one for form over function.

if you want me to leave, all you have to do is ask. because you are making me feel most unwelcome.

jeff

What if your guest asked you to serve them poison? Would you not stop and explain to them that this may not be in their best interests to eat?

This isn't just any forum, by the way. One of the merits of capitals is it's easier on the eyes to tell where sentences end and begin at a quick glance. There are new people here who start posting with different sized colored fonts. They are asked to please use the default font of plain black because it can be difficult for some to read the color and the odd sizes are just jarring.

You sort of get a feel for a person by their reaction. If they say, "oh, okay, I didn't think of that, I'll just use the regular black" or if they start off with "what's wrong with large, colored fonts? I always use them and I like them, so there!" ;)

 

[Laura]

Indeed, quite a few of us are dealing with failing vision and having clear writing is very helpful.

 

[paralleloscope]

sorry, but as a designer, i've never been one for form over function.

But is it not what you are insisting upon doing here; your aquired form over the function of reading with the formal rules of writing. Form and function are not seperable, and one tells about the other. The use of capital letters is a useful convention programmed into us which aids our reading along with punctuation. I can understand the drive to buck established pathological conventions and programs, but proper writing isn't one of them and is throwing folks off in the process. Omitting capital letters may not be the hardest pattern to read through in this age of social media abbreviations but it will probably pause a serious reader unnecessarily to think about what the point is, IMO. In a special forum dedicated to develop service for others and true understanding of what we are, it makes litlle sense to embellish oneself with an 'edgy' air, other than to preserve ones illusions of self -contrary to the purpose of said place.

That said, my commas may still be wrong in the english sense as I learned it's rules in a different language, I wonder if my commas, sentence structure and excessive use of parenthesized insertions may be a hindrance to clearly understand my point? When I arrived here I had developed a coded sense of writing, which was all about feeling safe and special in my little world and had illusions of how this was a much more concise way of communicating. I tried to become more normally understandable (externally considerate) as I understood the implications of what we are and how inclined many of us are to only do stuff for ourselves, even when we think we are altruistic to the bone.

 

[loreta]

Sometimes there are words that nothing else will replace. One word can convey an entire page of text; like math symbols that represent a whole series of operations.

Actually, I always thought I wrote pretty simply. Weird, huh?

Your style seems simply but it is not. You write and when we read you we have the impression that we are listening to you. This is a style that is not simple. We are able to hear your voice in your writing.

But it is simple because everything is very clear: and this is very difficult to attain. I think so.

I just started this thread that is very important, I think, for non native English speakers.

 

[kenlee]

i'm not going to change my style of writing, just to comment in a forum. no-one has actually commented on the merits of no capitals, just that it is not the done thing. in ten years of writing all my emails like this, i have never had a problem with my style's functionality.

Why not? Like what's the big deal about using proper punctuation? You know it. Why not use it? It's easier to read. It'll help me and others too. My vision is getting worse too.

 

[loreta]

i'm not going to change my style of writing, just to comment in a forum. no-one has actually commented on the merits of no capitals, just that it is not the done thing. in ten years of writing all my emails like this, i have never had a problem with my style's functionality.

Why not? Like what's the big deal about using proper punctuation? You know it. Why not use it? It's easier to read. It'll help me and others too. My vision is getting worse too.

It is not a question of style. It is a question of convention: punctuation is an intelligent convention. You can still keep your style, that is part of you, that express yourself using a good punctuation. Or not? :)

 

[Ko smo]

How about these:

"My bad."

"Are you serious?"

"Like, you know."

"I says."

Yes this ones are horror in ears :)

Like Like Like Like Like ...My language is not English but I am in contact with persons who are, and young people tend to use LIKE all the time!!! And "like, you know" ... this can be boring LIKE boring you know

This my bad is even used in my language and many other words that are new and modern so sometimes it seems that I need translators to speak with people :)

 

[HowToBe]

In Daniel Tammet's book, Embracing The Wide Open Sky, he cites some research indicating that people have natural tendancies and instincts concerning the sounds that make up words, and that sound does relate to meaning. I'm finding the concept fun to explore a bit. The following are just my observations.

The sounds of 'i', 'e', 't', and 'k' seem to be often connected with smallness and pointedness, whereas 'o', 'u', 'b', and 'L' tend toward the large, round, and powerful. The letters 'a' seems to swings around a bit, but seems to often express length, rigidity, and squareness, and combines with letter 'L' a lot.
tiny, teeny, twinkle, sprinkles, sip, tip, pin, tine, tick, inch, kit, mite, tike, spike, stick, bit, spite, spit, needle, knit, trickle, chip, girl.
round, bounce, ball, huge, block, loud, rush, boulder, chunk, crowd, power, tumble, rumble, crumble, thunder, hour, tower, plow, bomb, spoon.
small, tall, mall, stall, large, barge, charge, all, wall, law, lasso, margin, saw, man, rail, tail, scale, sail, tape, late, massive, flat.

Anyway, it's sort of interesting to me, although learning etymology is the most useful, I think.

This reminded me of one of the C's comments. Let me see if I can find it. . .

Session 25, April 2010

Q: (L) I've often wondered when these names come up. They're just such strange things. What is it that they mean?

A: They relate to the specific vibrational frequency of the moment as expressed by the numerical frequency of the combination of vowels and consonants.

Q: (L) What is the numerical frequency of a vowel and consonant?

A: It is a science barely understood by your civilization but was once well known. Words have deeper meaning than you suspect.

Q: (Bubbles) Like in numerology?

A: Similar, but that is a dim reflection of the ancient science.

Something in me resonates deeply when I consider this idea. I have definitely noticed how the mere *sound* of some words has a powerful effect on me. I have even wondered if some whole language groups might be tied to cultural differences in much deeper ways than otherwise suspected. Some languages seem to activate, in my view, radically different behavior patterns between cultures experiencing otherwise similar circumstances. Some languages sound to people untrained in that language, as though speakers are yelling angrily at each other when really they are having normal discussions. I can't help but wonder how that affects the subconscious.

I think languages do a great deal to shape young minds as they grow. There's clearly a lot to this, but I don't want to get too distracted by jumping into a full study of the phenomenon of word sounds and how they affect the listener and how they combine with word meanings. Still, the C's offer a great lead for anybody who wants to go spelunking the subject!

This video I saw recently about the number 666 gives some interesting tidbits about old Hebrew and Greek numerology, although to watch it you'll have to put up with some history about roulette tables and the number 666:
http://youtu.be/UkZqFtYtqaI

So, both groups used the letters of their alphabets to write numbers, rather than having a separate set of numerals for that purpose. A graph showing the alphabetic Greek numerals can be found here: http://www.mathsisgoodforyou.com/numerals/greeknums.htm A side effect of these systems is that any word you could write automatically corresponded to a number. So numerology was tied into their poetry, riddles, spiritual writings and such (including the Bible, from what I understand). I wonder if this "ancient science" the C's refer to is even older than these systems, however? Atlantean?

In modern, English-language numerology, I know of two methods; the "Pythagorean" method, and the "Chaldean" method which I just learned about.

The "Pythagorean" method uses the following chart to turn letters into numbers:

 Letters are assigned numeric values from 1 to 9.

     1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9
     A   B   C   D   E   F   G   H   I
     J   K   L   M   N   O   P   Q   R
     S   T   U   V   W   X   Y   Z

The "Chaldean" method is supposedly (according to what I read just now) based on the unique "vibrations" of each letter:

 Letters are assigned numeric values from 1 to 8.

       1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8
       A    B    C    D    E    U    O    F
       I    K    G    M    H    V    Z    P
       J    R    L    T    N    W
       Q         S         X
       Y

The following page says that in "Chaldean" numerology numbers from 10 to 52 each have a special meaning, and this relates to the Tarot cards:
_http://www.professionalnumerology.com/chaldeansystem.html

Single numbers denote what you appear to be in the eyes of others, while the double or compound numbers show the hidden influences that play a role behind the scenes and some mysterious way often foreshadow the future.

All the numbers from 10 upwards, become compound numbers and have a meaning of their own distinct from the root number. We do not know how and in what age these compound numbers were discovered. We can only say that they appear to have always existed. The meanings ascribed to the numbers 1 to 9 belong to the physical or material side of things and compound numbers from 10 onwards belong to the more occult or spiritual side of life. Distinct symbolism has been given to the compound numbers up to that mysterious number of 52.

The universally accepted symbolism of the compound numbers in ancient times was given in pictures and may still be found in the Tarot Cards which have been handed down to us from ancient times and whose origin is lost in antiquity. (Please refer to page 18).

My one final thought is this: Intuitively, it seems to me that a most scientific and uniquely "human" numerology would be based on phonetic sounds of language rather than letters. Perhaps the language of the "ancient science" might have been a phonetic one, where letters corresponded exactly to sounds? Then you would have translation from one set of "frequencies" to another. I know I am really stretching here...

FWIW

EDIT: That makes me wonder, Laura; When the C's gave you those manes, did you or others present get a sense of how those words should be pronounced, or were they sort of a mystery in that regard? Just curious.