Would It Help?

[anitasweetie]

I know everyone is extremely bothered by Fukushima, animal and bird deaths, the Pacific Ocean being dead. So many horrible things being done by psychopaths just to feed their greed, and kill everything on the earth in the process!

What my thought is: Do we leave it like that?

Have we as a group cleaned ourselves enough, to possibly set aside a few minutes on maybe a Sunday, even though we all can't be in the same place. Sit outside on the ground, say The Prayer of the Soul, and then say a prayer to the Earth, asking her forgiveness for the way we have treated her.

Dunno if it would do anything, we could at least show the Earth that we are waking up!

There might already be something like this posted, where I can't go, please forgive me if there is. :)

 

[Carl]

I know everyone is extremely bothered by Fukushima, animal and bird deaths, the Pacific Ocean being dead. So many horrible things being done by psychopaths just to feed their greed, and kill everything on the earth in the process!

What my thought is: Do we leave it like that?

Have we as a group cleaned ourselves enough, to possibly set aside a few minutes on maybe a Sunday, even though we all can't be in the same place. Sit outside on the ground, say The Prayer of the Soul, and then say a prayer to the Earth, asking her forgiveness for the way we have treated her.

Dunno if it would do anything, we could at least show the Earth that we are waking up!

I appreciate your intentions here and have had similar thoughts.

But I think that the way we show to the Earth/Universe that we are waking up, is by actually working and struggling to wake up. If we want to make a difference and form some kind of new world, then the change starts within ourselves. It seems that the kind of prayer you describe is a subtle form of demanding, rather than asking and Doing.

I wanted to link this video made by a forum member, which applies very well to your question, however the audio has currently been removed by the powers that be. Hopefully it can be successfully disputed or re-uploaded somewhere else soon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrAgb1-UKQ8

 

[Oxajil]

But I think that the way we show to the Earth/Universe that we are waking up, is by actually working and struggling to wake up. If we want to make a difference and form some kind of new world, then the change starts within ourselves.

I agree. There's nothing wrong with hoping for a better world, I would think. But most importantly, what can we offer to this world? What kind of response do we decide to give to the current state of the planet? I'm afraid a prayer alone would not make this world better, and then there is the violation of free will in a way that should be taken into account. However, if you do all you can to make things better in your own life and your surroundings, that's already something good and helpful. I guess it comes down to being aware, increasing your knowledge, applying it for the better, with no anticipation of outcome.

Also, anitasweetie, your post reminded me of this Q&A video with Laura which might help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwYlg2NRS8

 

[Leonarda]

I also have a feeling of general impotence about the state of things and the world but I think that asking for forgiveness is quite similar to "sending love and light" to the world when not asked but just the other way round, besides It could be seen as a "demand".

Then I have some doubts: If we exist because someone "deamt" about us,and we are here to learn, Who is legitimate to forgive? And to forgive me, Leonarda, for the harm I have surely inflicted to mother earth -even unknowingly- or to forgive all of us since the beggining of times? Because the phycho's actions are terrible and are leading us to our own destruction but there are a lot of people who aren't phychopaths but are also contributing to the destruction of the Earth and harming animals..

If (objective) knowledge protects when applied, I see as realistic: volunteering at a local shelter; if we have a pet trying to learn more about its necessities so we can give it a better treatment; investigating a company (their principles, what materials they use and how they are obtained...) before buying from it-at least the information that is available- etc

 

[Aiming]

I also have a feeling of general impotence about the state of things and the world but I think that asking for forgiveness is quite similar to "sending love and light" to the world when not asked but just the other way round, besides It could be seen as a "demand".

Just to add to what Leonarda wrote here, anitasweetie, while your intention with such a prayer might not be such, it does sound like "sending love and light" and imposing your will on others, as in imposing your view of how the world is supposed to be on the world at large and determining the needs of others. Let's face it: the majority of people want to remain asleep, have an easy life and dissociate from reality as it is, which involves not being ready to do anything about it in terms of changing themselves - and that choice is completely valid. It is in our individual lives and actions that we have a voice and can show to the universe where we stand.

This involves e.g. working on healing ourselves, the continous gaining of knowledge, applying and sharing that knowledge, responding via actions to the signs around us, e.g. doing canning because of the looming food shortages, and learning new skills in order to be able to live an autonomous life when the poo hits the fan.

If (objective) knowledge protects when applied, I see as realistic: volunteering at a local shelter; if we have a pet trying to learn more about its necessities so we can give it a better treatment; investigating a company (their principles, what materials they use and how they are obtained...) before buying from it-at least the information that is available- etc

Agreed. There are many ways in which you can state your attitude to the world and universe without falling into the deliberately planted New Age trap, which hooks into the good-willed but ignorant state of mind of many and promotes sitting there praying but not doing anything.

However, remember that we have the Mondays and Thursdays where members around the world do the EE breathing together - this might help with feeling more connected in our aim of working towards something better via our individual choices and actions. :)

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

However, remember that we have the Mondays and Thursdays where members around the world do the EE breathing together - this might help with feeling more connected in our aim of working towards something better via our individual choices and actions. :)

Thanks for sharing those thoughts, Aiming, and also for the EE data. Is good to know that, I had no idea. I hope to join all on those occasions.

 

[mada85]

I also have a feeling of general impotence about the state of things and the world

This feeling of impotence is perfectly understandable as a response to a world where all the power is in the hands of pathological deviants who care not one whit about the planet they live on, or for the majority of human beings.

but I think that asking for forgiveness is quite similar to "sending love and light" to the world when not asked but just the other way round, besides It could be seen as a "demand".

A very good point! It's far better to work on oneself to become a cleaner and clearer transducer of higher energies, which our planet sorely lacks at this time. This is essentially the process of 'debugging' the universe. The universe has no other hands than ours. One could say that 'debugging' is the function on this planet for those who have the eyes to see. By 'debugging' is meant cleansing oneself of programs, awakening one's conscience, working to help others, and activating the higher centres.

 

[anitasweetie]

Sorry it took me so long to get back and answer you guys!

All the answers helped me to see a major program in myself!

Leonarda wrote

I also have a feeling of general impotence about the state of things and the world but I think that asking for forgiveness is quite similar to "sending love and light" to the world when not asked but just the other way round, besides It could be seen as a "demand".

I agree Leonarda, had to think long and hard about where this idea came from.

Aiming wrote

Just to add to what Leonarda wrote here, anitasweetie, while your intention with such a prayer might not be such, it does sound like "sending love and light" and imposing your will on others, as in imposing your view of how the world is supposed to be on the world at large and determining the needs of others. Let's face it: the majority of people want to remain asleep, have an easy life and dissociate from reality as it is, which involves not being ready to do anything about it in terms of changing themselves - and that choice is completely valid. It is in our individual lives and actions that we have a voice and can show to the universe where we stand.

My fix it program really went into overdrive! While reading these posts, came to the realization that, I can't change anyone's lessons, no matter how painful I think they might be.

There are many ways in which you can state your attitude to the world and universe without falling into the deliberately planted New Age trap, which hooks into the good-willed but ignorant state of mind of many and promotes sitting there praying but not doing anything.

Yeah, we stay so blind and miserable to our programs, then wallow in self pity and never do anything!


Endymion wrote

A very good point! It's far better to work on oneself to become a cleaner and clearer transducer of higher energies, which our planet sorely lacks at this time. This is essentially the process of 'debugging' the universe. The universe has no other hands than ours. One could say that 'debugging' is the function on this planet for those who have the eyes to see. By 'debugging' is meant cleansing oneself of programs, awakening one's conscience, working to help others, and activating the higher centres.

After thinking about it today, was projecting my saviorism program upon the whole world, with the victim mentality thrown in also...

Not letting up on ourselves, and doing our best to prepare, is what we can do.

Wrote by Oxajil

I agree. There's nothing wrong with hoping for a better world, I would think. But most importantly, what can we offer to this world? What kind of response do we decide to give to the current state of the planet? I'm afraid a prayer alone would not make this world better, and then there is the violation of free will in a way that should be taken into account. However, if you do all you can to make things better in your own life and your surroundings, that's already something good and helpful. I guess it comes down to being aware, increasing your knowledge, applying it for the better, with no anticipation of outcome.

Also, anitasweetie, your post reminded me of this Q&A video with Laura which might help: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwYlg2NRS8

My programs want me to jump from a to c without considering that there is something in between, such as life and what a person can really do to make the world a better place. Thanks for the link.


Carlilse wrote

But I think that the way we show to the Earth/Universe that we are waking up, is by actually working and struggling to wake up. If we want to make a difference and form some kind of new world, then the change starts within ourselves. It seems that the kind of prayer you describe is a subtle form of demanding, rather than asking and Doing.

Religious programming has really left it's mark. I guess seeing the state of the planet, and not even when you mention something like the damage that Fukushima is doing, NO ONE cares, or even takes you seriously. They do refuse to see!

Thanks everyone for pointing out where my thinking was on this...

All there is, is lessons.