Would you go to war?

[Alchemie]

The battle for your soul begins at birth!

I agree, but actually already in the eggs and sperm, because due to various environmental factors (physically stress, trauma of parents, nutrients, etc.)

 

[WIN 52]

The battle for your soul begins at birth!

I agree, but actually already in the eggs and sperm, because due to various environmental factors (physically stress, trauma of parents, nutrients, etc.)

This has really hit home with me, as I have 2 grandchildren 2 and 3 years old. From what I have learned from reading this site for the past 5 years, this issue has also been considered. The bulk of control mechanisms does come in the form of programming. Even parents play a part, should they happen to be ignorant of our state of affairs. Circumcision, vaccination, mental and physical abuse to list a few of the ways the programming is done.

Innocent children are already heavily programmed by the time they are 2 years old, blindsided. It takes a great deal of work to overcome this programming, as an adult, but it is not impossible with the right knowledge. Thus, I must try to stay in the physical as long as possible. Which means to avoid conflict, reserving that for the end or last resort.

 

[Seaniebawn]

I'm sure like most here i wouldn't volunteer to go to war, but sometimes it's out of our control, i'm sure there is a lot of people in eastern Ukraine that didn't want to go to war but had to, it may be a prospect many including me living in Europe may have to deal with in the not to distant future.

 

[WIN 52]

Just wanted to add, my Son's partner the mother of my granddaughter suffers from Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. She has to deal with this condition for all of her life. This seems to make her more susceptible to the system of control.

The future of humanity is about the same as what it would be for cattle, pigs and sheep.

And yet, we must endure while carrying some sort of hope for better times. Is there such a thing available for us, within the workings of the universe? Or must we find a way out as being the only way forward?

 

[Niall]

The battle for your soul begins at birth!

I agree, but actually already in the eggs and sperm, because due to various environmental factors (physically stress, trauma of parents, nutrients, etc.)

This has really hit home with me, as I have 2 grandchildren 2 and 3 years old. From what I have learned from reading this site for the past 5 years, this issue has also been considered. The bulk of control mechanisms does come in the form of programming. Even parents play a part, should they happen to be ignorant of our state of affairs. Circumcision, vaccination, mental and physical abuse to list a few of the ways the programming is done.

Innocent children are already heavily programmed by the time they are 2 years old, blindsided. It takes a great deal of work to overcome this programming, as an adult, but it is not impossible with the right knowledge. Thus, I must try to stay in the physical as long as possible. Which means to avoid conflict, reserving that for the end or last resort.

This isn't quite what I had in mind when I suggested that the only 'war' worth going to was the inner struggle between yes and no. It doesn't begin at or before birth. It begins when you begin the Work, at which point the warrior is well on the way to adulthood.

 

[WIN 52]

This isn't quite what I had in mind when I suggested that the only 'war' worth going to was the inner struggle between yes and no. It doesn't begin at or before birth. It begins when you begin the Work, at which point the warrior is well on the way to adulthood.

Cesar, now preparing for birth in 4D, had made quite a statement. In the end result, we still have this system today, that he fought to change. So, yes, the inner struggle is at the core. From this core a warrior must emerge . The work must also begin at birth, it seems.

 

[Divide by Zero]

This isn't quite what I had in mind when I suggested that the only 'war' worth going to was the inner struggle between yes and no. It doesn't begin at or before birth. It begins when you begin the Work, at which point the warrior is well on the way to adulthood.

Cesar, now preparing for birth in 4D, had made quite a statement. In the end result, we still have this system today, that he fought to change. So, yes, the inner struggle is at the core. From this core a warrior must emerge . The work must also begin at birth, it seems.

Q: (Atriedes) If you could give 3 pieces of advice to the world, what would they be?

A: I was wrong to think I could change the masses by example. Humans are fickle and self-centered for the most part. Thus, if you wish to really effect changes, it can only be done by early education, and even then it is fragile and will not last. In the end you must be true to your own nature and fear nothing. If you do that you may make a difference after you are gone. That is not exactly what you are looking for, but there are no 3 pieces of advice that serve all events.

I don't think Caesar was saying that it comes from birth.
We may be born with the nature that leads to questioning and seeking truth leads into the Work is what we are growing past this: "Humans are fickle and self-centered for the most part.", which applies to ourselves too. I suppose the fear he mentions is this fear of loss- as if growing past those tendencies would "kill us". IT reminds me of the negative introject and other psychological issues that keep us mechanical.

I'm not sure, it seems like Caesar was trying to say that what he realized was that trying to change things for the better in itself was a trap, and that may be why he is not coming back. I would guess that if/when we die, if we feel like we could have "done better", that attachment in itself could be STS, determining the needs of the world- based on our own expectation. It's all confusing to me and there may be no definite answer to it.

 

[Oxajil]

I'm sure like most here i wouldn't volunteer to go to war, but sometimes it's out of our control, i'm sure there is a lot of people in eastern Ukraine that didn't want to go to war but had to, it may be a prospect many including me living in Europe may have to deal with in the not to distant future.

There is also the option of hiding. Whether hiding is better than going to battle, I can't say. But I personally would be someone who would rather hide, as I think I wouldn't be of much use during a battle. I'm not sure if you've read an article entitled "A Simple Letter from a Ukrainian Girl", but someone who also lives in Kiev responded to that letter and wrote:

"I read "The letter from Kiev". Everything is true... The author correctly wrote you can't drop everything and leave in one day. You won't get a new house and a new job in one day. It is necessary to simply hide. This is an absolutely awful feeling.

It is necessary not only to remember that the walls have ears, but you have to remind yourself to look like you are in a good mood. Rejoice that the spring sun is shining for example. After Maidan it is unhealthy to do otherwise. People are watching and looking for those that did not support Maidan. Laws no longer work here. The people are absolutely defenseless and left to the mercy of fate.

Whether it's hiding or literally fighting, it's horrible to be in a position to have to do either. But I truly hope that the good-hearted soldiers in eastern Ukraine, and the people who are in hiding and are putting on a strategic mask, will find some peace in the future, and that the sickos will lose. But right now, as was said by others on this forum and elsewhere, what we can do is try to be a voice for them, and share information that doesn't hide the facts.

Totally off-topic now, but last night I had a pretty horrific dream which felt quite realistic. I was in a public restroom, and there were people of all ages (including children) and from all walks of life. At some point, I went to another room which was right next to it, and which looked like some kind of an empty office. Not long after that, I heard a person entering the restroom who started to shoot and kill all the people who were there. I decided to hide under the table in the office room I was in, which had a table cloth that was long enough so that I couldn't be seen. The room had a lot of windows though, so I could be spotted and be killed as well. I could hear the footsteps of that person coming closer. It was at that point that I kind of started to wake up and realize that it was a dream. But the kind of fear I felt, and the horror I felt of having witnessed those innocent people being killed, was still there. It is really scary. That dream kind of helped me understand how the people in Ukraine must feel, and the many people in ''war''torn countries. Mine was just a nightmare, but they live in fear all the time. It's heartbreaking.

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When it comes to going to war, I thought I'd share this part that I read yesterday from Political Ponerology:

Thus, the biological, psychological, moral, and economic destruction of the majority of normal people becomes, for the pathocrats, a “biological” necessity. Many means serve this end, starting with concentration camps and including warfare with an obstinate, well-armed foe who will devastate and debilitate the human power thrown at him, namely the very power jeopardizing pathocrats’ rule: the sons of normal man sent out to fight for an illusionary “noble cause.” Once safely dead, the soldiers will then be decreed heroes to be revered in paeans, useful for raising a new generation faithful to the pathocracy and ever willing to go to their deaths to protect it.

So, it seems to me that whoever goes to fight in a created "war" in for example the Middle East, would not only be responsible for the deaths of many civilians, but would also help with keeping the pathocracy "in place"... Oftentimes, the real enemy is quite close to home, rather than abroad.

 

[MusicMan]

Which brings us around to that age-old question:
"What if they gave a war, and nobody came?"
Just asking..

 

[WIN 52]

Cesar, now preparing for birth in 4D, had made quite a statement. In the end result, we still have this system today, that he fought to change. So, yes, the inner struggle is at the core. From this core a warrior must emerge . The work must also begin at birth, it seems.

Q: (Atriedes) If you could give 3 pieces of advice to the world, what would they be?

A: I was wrong to think I could change the masses by example. Humans are fickle and self-centered for the most part. Thus, if you wish to really effect changes, it can only be done by early education, and even then it is fragile and will not last. In the end you must be true to your own nature and fear nothing. If you do that you may make a difference after you are gone. That is not exactly what you are looking for, but there are no 3 pieces of advice that serve all events.

I don't think Caesar was saying that it comes from birth.
We may be born with the nature that leads to questioning and seeking truth leads into the Work is what we are growing past this: "Humans are fickle and self-centered for the most part.", which applies to ourselves too. I suppose the fear he mentions is this fear of loss- as if growing past those tendencies would "kill us". IT reminds me of the negative introject and other psychological issues that keep us mechanical.

I'm not sure, it seems like Caesar was trying to say that what he realized was that trying to change things for the better in itself was a trap, and that may be why he is not coming back. I would guess that if/when we die, if we feel like we could have "done better", that attachment in itself could be STS, determining the needs of the world- based on our own expectation. It's all confusing to me and there may be no definite answer to it.

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You are identified at birth as having a soul potential. Programming is adjusted accordingly. Remember who is in charge.

 

[Henchman 21]

If a war comes to me than I will fight to survive. All will do what they think is best based on the math of the situation and the ability to comprehend the math by the participator. Sometimes the math says run but sometimes it says fight. It is the infinity of reality, even a pacifist can be drawn to arms by the mathematics presented at any given time.

 

[Seaniebawn]

I'm sure like most here i wouldn't volunteer to go to war, but sometimes it's out of our control, i'm sure there is a lot of people in eastern Ukraine that didn't want to go to war but had to, it may be a prospect many including me living in Europe may have to deal with in the not to distant future.

There is also the option of hiding. Whether hiding is better than going to battle, I can't say. But I personally would be someone who would rather hide, as I think I wouldn't be of much use during a battle. I'm not sure if you've read an article entitled "A Simple Letter from a Ukrainian Girl", but someone who also lives in Kiev responded to that letter and wrote:

"I read "The letter from Kiev". Everything is true... The author correctly wrote you can't drop everything and leave in one day. You won't get a new house and a new job in one day. It is necessary to simply hide. This is an absolutely awful feeling.

It is necessary not only to remember that the walls have ears, but you have to remind yourself to look like you are in a good mood. Rejoice that the spring sun is shining for example. After Maidan it is unhealthy to do otherwise. People are watching and looking for those that did not support Maidan. Laws no longer work here. The people are absolutely defenseless and left to the mercy of fate.

Whether it's hiding or literally fighting, it's horrible to be in a position to have to do either. But I truly hope that the good-hearted soldiers in eastern Ukraine, and the people who are in hiding and are putting on a strategic mask, will find some peace in the future, and that the sickos will lose. But right now, as was said by others on this forum and elsewhere, what we can do is try to be a voice for them, and share information that doesn't hide the facts.

Totally off-topic now, but last night I had a pretty horrific dream which felt quite realistic. I was in a public restroom, and there were people of all ages (including children) and from all walks of life. At some point, I went to another room which was right next to it, and which looked like some kind of an empty office. Not long after that, I heard a person entering the restroom who started to shoot and kill all the people who were there. I decided to hide under the table in the office room I was in, which had a table cloth that was long enough so that I couldn't be seen. The room had a lot of windows though, so I could be spotted and be killed as well. I could hear the footsteps of that person coming closer. It was at that point that I kind of started to wake up and realize that it was a dream. But the kind of fear I felt, and the horror I felt of having witnessed those innocent people being killed, was still there. It is really scary. That dream kind of helped me understand how the people in Ukraine must feel, and the many people in ''war''torn countries. Mine was just a nightmare, but they live in fear all the time. It's heartbreaking.

--

When it comes to going to war, I thought I'd share this part that I read yesterday from Political Ponerology:

Thus, the biological, psychological, moral, and economic destruction of the majority of normal people becomes, for the pathocrats, a “biological” necessity. Many means serve this end, starting with concentration camps and including warfare with an obstinate, well-armed foe who will devastate and debilitate the human power thrown at him, namely the very power jeopardizing pathocrats’ rule: the sons of normal man sent out to fight for an illusionary “noble cause.” Once safely dead, the soldiers will then be decreed heroes to be revered in paeans, useful for raising a new generation faithful to the pathocracy and ever willing to go to their deaths to protect it.

So, it seems to me that whoever goes to fight in a created "war" in for example the Middle East, would not only be responsible for the deaths of many civilians, but would also help with keeping the pathocracy "in place"... Oftentimes, the real enemy is quite close to home, rather than abroad.

Yeah I read the letter and it is very sad, but they way i see it the eastern part of the country didn't really have a choice, war was brought upon them by the literal Nazi's in Kiev, many fled to Russia and I can't blame them either, but like the girl said you can't just up and leave in one day, the people who fought and are still fighting in my opinion are truly human and that includes the courageous young girl that wrote that letter.

 

[dankhiar]

Which brings us around to that age-old question:
"What if they gave a war, and nobody came?"
Just asking..

Exactly this. I'm sorry, but war is not even a consideration in my mind. The world could burn, you'll find me sitting silently, observing. I don't need to force "peace" by disturbing the peace of others. I rather make peace with myself and my environment.

That is not to say I have no desire to live, and I wouldn't care for my life. I just think there are better ways to handle a situation. There is always a choice.

 

[Henchman 21]

What if no one showed up to the war? Great question. What if there was no war but people were bombing the ever living snot out of everyone you ever loved? What then? People break into your house and abuse your children. Maybe rape your wife or kill you husband (or rape your husband and kill your wife, whatever, it happens). The full on passifist mentality isn't fully legit if it is brought to your doorstep. Many say that they won't ever get physically involved because of personal boundaries or ideals that they have against said ideas of violence but math is math and anyone would defend what they value. Especially from tyranny. Let's not be delusional.
Or you can stand by and watch such horrors knowing that you did nothing to prevent it. Take your pick. I say avoid if it's avoidable but if it isn't, then give me hell.

 

[anothermagyar]

What if no one showed up to the war? Great question. What if there was no war but people were bombing the ever living snot out of everyone you ever loved? What then? People break into your house and abuse your children. Maybe rape your wife or kill you husband (or rape your husband and kill your wife, whatever, it happens). The full on passifist mentality isn't fully legit if it is brought to your doorstep. Many say that they won't ever get physically involved because of personal boundaries or ideals that they have against said ideas of violence but math is math and anyone would defend what they value. Especially from tyranny. Let's not be delusional.
Or you can stand by and watch such horrors knowing that you did nothing to prevent it. Take your pick. I say avoid if it's avoidable but if it isn't, then give me hell.

So true!
Yes someone can run away, that is an option.
But what if you can't run away?
Would you just stand and watch innocent people, children murdered and raped?

[quote author=Shakespeare]Hamlet. To be, or not to be- that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them. To die- to sleep-
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to. 'Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die- to sleep.
To sleep- perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub!
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause. There's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
Th' oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despis'd love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office, and the spurns
That patient merit of th' unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? Who would these fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death-
The undiscover'd country, from whose bourn
No traveller returns- puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all,
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry
And lose the name of action.- Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia!- Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins rememb'red. [/quote]