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Go on, Ark, tell me about the who, how, and why... Or indicate sources I can read. (I know about Ultimate truth, there must be some other independent source in order that I can cross-reference them?
But still... I come back to this important point... do you think thermite vaporised steel? (I am talking about the big bad explosion that started the whole collapse: this is pulverised steel and piece of concrete. thermite might have been used formthe controlled demolition, but the collapse and the bis explosions on top of WTC twin towers are two separate events occuring simultaneously, right? The detonations making the building collapse were in sync with the great big explosions on top (the explosions that pulverised and vaporised concrete). In controlled demolition, we never get vaporised concrete or pulverised steel. Sure the first floors aren't pulverised, but we're talking about hundred levels skyscrapers!
Ark, what do you think about the theory of the "Finnish military expert" saying a hydrogen-bomb was placed in the basement, along with other small charges on many floors of the building? (see the links I posted in previous posts).
Don't mistale me for a Mariott propagandist for quoting the 'Finnish expert': I think the 'no plane' theory is crap, unless one day we get real evidence of this(!).
About the dancing Israelis... I can't help thinking this is too obviously a red-herring. Why would they dance compulsively, in plain sight, if not to be seen?? Am I right? To me it's like the WTC7 case: why did they pull it if not for us to see it (to terrorise intelligent people who will become awre of this) and say "oh my god! No planes in WTC7 yet it collapses! It's clearly controlled demolition! it's an inside job!!" We all know how Illuminati like to sign their works in big letters on the Wall, to scare us into submission like submissive cattle. And there's Silverstein playing the part of the 'bad Jew' collecting insurance money... That certainly smells fishy to me, this covers up something else... But maybe I'm just too suspicious...
Bye,
Veille
But still... I come back to this important point... do you think thermite vaporised steel? (I am talking about the big bad explosion that started the whole collapse: this is pulverised steel and piece of concrete. thermite might have been used formthe controlled demolition, but the collapse and the bis explosions on top of WTC twin towers are two separate events occuring simultaneously, right? The detonations making the building collapse were in sync with the great big explosions on top (the explosions that pulverised and vaporised concrete). In controlled demolition, we never get vaporised concrete or pulverised steel. Sure the first floors aren't pulverised, but we're talking about hundred levels skyscrapers!
Ark, what do you think about the theory of the "Finnish military expert" saying a hydrogen-bomb was placed in the basement, along with other small charges on many floors of the building? (see the links I posted in previous posts).
Don't mistale me for a Mariott propagandist for quoting the 'Finnish expert': I think the 'no plane' theory is crap, unless one day we get real evidence of this(!).
About the dancing Israelis... I can't help thinking this is too obviously a red-herring. Why would they dance compulsively, in plain sight, if not to be seen?? Am I right? To me it's like the WTC7 case: why did they pull it if not for us to see it (to terrorise intelligent people who will become awre of this) and say "oh my god! No planes in WTC7 yet it collapses! It's clearly controlled demolition! it's an inside job!!" We all know how Illuminati like to sign their works in big letters on the Wall, to scare us into submission like submissive cattle. And there's Silverstein playing the part of the 'bad Jew' collecting insurance money... That certainly smells fishy to me, this covers up something else... But maybe I'm just too suspicious...
Bye,
Veille
Sounds like you are indeed a Mariott propagandist, either that, or you are prone to parrotting the theories of others immediately after reading them as if they were your own. For example, your comment above that "And there's Silverstein playing the part of the 'bad Jew' collecting insurance money" is exactly the point made by Marriot. Just calm down and think before you post, that way, we will all be happier.veille said:
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But still it seems right to me! It's just that I quote all the time.
But let alone Mariott... what do YOU think of this? About the dancing Israelis? About Silverstein collecting insurance money as a red-herring? Mariott is not the only one claming that. I'm independent from Mariott's but I still can agree with what seems a good question!
Call me crazy, but I sense some bitterness in administrator's and moderator's comments...
Am I a heretic for asking questions that Mariott also asked? Well, if you think they aren't good questions, why bother to answer?
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But let alone Mariott... what do YOU think of this? About the dancing Israelis? About Silverstein collecting insurance money as a red-herring? Mariott is not the only one claming that. I'm independent from Mariott's but I still can agree with what seems a good question!
Call me crazy, but I sense some bitterness in administrator's and moderator's comments...
Am I a heretic for asking questions that Mariott also asked? Well, if you think they aren't good questions, why bother to answer?
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I have difficulties to understand your logics.
When Ark proposes a reading you refuse it, when he gives a comment, you ask for a reading, when he asks a question, you ask back the same question, after refusing a reading you go on with a topic that is the core of the proposed reading.
I am not an administrator, I am not a moderator but I don't perceive the contructiveness of those kind of posts.
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I didn't refuse to read it, I said that i didn't read it because it was too long. I didn't say I won't read it.
Don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that! No offense.
Veille
Nobody answered what do YOU think 'bout the dancing Israelis? About Silverstein collecting insurance money as a red-herring?
Think for yourself guys, and quit attacking people. Honestly...
Veille
Don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that! No offense.
Veille
Nobody answered what do YOU think 'bout the dancing Israelis? About Silverstein collecting insurance money as a red-herring?
Think for yourself guys, and quit attacking people. Honestly...
Veille
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Well if nobody's interested, I don't know what I'm doing here. I though you guys were open minded... but you're more busy to track pursue and attack 'potential disinfo artits' teling me I'm a Mariott propagandist... come on...
Is there a girl here on SOTT (except Laura, of course..)? Maybe a girl will understand and be respectful in her posts?
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Is there a girl here on SOTT (except Laura, of course..)? Maybe a girl will understand and be respectful in her posts?
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'paranoia will destroy ya'
(quote from the Cs)
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(quote from the Cs)
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In "The Other Side of Deception", Ostrovsky talks about the arrogance of the Mossad making them lax and how that came back to haunt them when they we're trying to bug the Iranian embassy in Cyprus (page 274).veille said:
Do I think the dancing Israelis were a red herring? No. Arrogant. Yes.
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I don't think you're the only one at this point who 'doesn't know what you're doing here'. You are being rude and stubborn and, at this point, considering the lack of contribution on your part of any objective information, I think it may be time for you to move along to a forum that might fit your 'style' a little better.veille said:
I'm not even going to comment on your nonsensical comment about ' a girl being respectful in her posts' - at what point have you even approached being 'respectful' to anyone here?
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Your last post is interesting, domivr. I still think the mossad isn't the ultimate villain in 911. Who' behind them? Not Israel, Israel is just a govt among others. Zionists? Well, who's behind Zionists? Illuminati? Well, they think they are kings of the world, the Chosen, but they're slaves to STS archons. And Archons got us trapped in their claws. I think the Protocols are right, except that Zionists aren't Jews. Yahve isn't Lucifer. I think zionists use Jewry to cover its own luciferianism-satanism. Soi people will think: 'oh, religions are so bad: look at the fundamentalists all over the world, look at the bad Israel govt, look at muslim terrorists and fanatics, look at Bush and his right-wing christians neocons serving zionists interests, religion is the great villain'. So I think th U.N. will soon declare religion abolished, in favor of a new (antichrist) world-wide secular scientific Gaia cult (with Gore as a false messiah? I think it is a probability). So making Zionists and mossad and Israel responsible for faux-muslim-terrorism is just another level of disinfo to me... Yes it is true, but taking one truth for the absolute truth is simply Idolatry (thus misleading)! Actually its STS forces using all parties in order to gain a foothold on earth very soon (human incarnation of Satan as a 'spiritual and ecological savior'). when all clues poitn to Zionists, it may help poeple believe in far distant past (thus outdated) gnostic beliefs. Yahve isn't a bad Demiurge. Jews should have become Christians (my opinion), thus they became tools of STS archons. Yahve is of the rank of the Elohim, not the absolute God of course, nut he was an emissary of God. what gnostics describe as Yaldabaoth is in reality Lucifer, not Yahve, but gnostics thinkig was flawed: they couldn't understand Christ as a human being AND the Son of God ALL AT ONCE. Like muslims they said the Bible was a fake and they said he wasn't crucified. I agree that is is not crucifixion that saved us, in fact this was an absolute crime to kill the Son of God. Jesus is Christ, not just another 'high initiate', sorry but this is it. Gnostics and manicheans had major flaws in their beliefs but these have been corrected by what came later: Grail christianity, Templars, Cathars, Rosicrucianism, Anthroposophy, Spiritual Science, etc. These spiritual threads corrected the luciferianism of gnostics beliefs (which was still filled with lucifer revelations contained in Greek and Roman Mythology and high Philosophy). In gnostics times anyway, gnosis was only a gross residue of the High Gnosis of ancient times. Augustine played a major role in turning every christian catholic against gnostics and manicheans, yet he pointed out some ideas that gnostics and manicheans completely missed. Gnostics believed that Lucifer the Serpent was the good guy and that their Creator (Yahve) was the Bad Guy!! I studied Nag Hammadi texts at University Laval (where they were translated for the first time ever by world-wide specialists) and that's gnosticism guys. It is limited, but yet filled with great wisdom. There are much better sources available than gnostics texts, believe me (or don't, whatever...)!
But I digress from gnostic anti-semitism to gnostics fallacies. Don't mistake me: I know a lot about the greatness of gnosticism, but we must not forget it has its limits (and huge flaws)...
domvir is talking about External and Internal Considering. I just read it for the first time a few moments ago. I think this is a fair description of STS-STO orientation in social relationships. My last post, 'Paranoia will destroy ya' should be read as 'External Considering'.
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Best,
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But I digress from gnostic anti-semitism to gnostics fallacies. Don't mistake me: I know a lot about the greatness of gnosticism, but we must not forget it has its limits (and huge flaws)...
domvir is talking about External and Internal Considering. I just read it for the first time a few moments ago. I think this is a fair description of STS-STO orientation in social relationships. My last post, 'Paranoia will destroy ya' should be read as 'External Considering'.
;)
Best,
Veille