Young guy in need of help

[KeevKK]

Hey Angelburst. Thanks for your reply.

Regarding bodybuilding I have not trained for 8 months since getting that shoulder injury. I simply have had the energy to do it either becuase I have only been able to focus on the absolut necessary such as my jobs and school. By the way I have never used any PEDs such as steroids. I did try a high dose of vit c for 2 months from february. I took 3-5 grams.

 

[Carl]

I don't think the bodybuilding stuff would have contributed a whole lot unless you were on a steroid cycle. That said, overtraining can wreck your immune system and energy levels for sure. Dieting can destroy your testosterone levels in the short term also which would explain some of the symptoms. Take a break or train only 2 or 3 times a week, don't do the crazy long bodybuilding workouts with supersets etc., and sleep a lot. You say eating causes trouble and makes you feel worse - does it matter what time of the day you eat at?

Beyond that, the suggestions given here are absolutely the best to start with. Most important things I would go for are improving digestion and Liver and general detox function.

Did this start around the time you first delved into the keto diet?

 

[Gaby]

My parents do not seem to suffer directly of the same things as me.

I have met three young people with this profile only this week. They all have autoimmune diseases now. One girl had 18 years old. Parents are in better health and their sons and daughters are getting very sick at a very early age like good canaries in the coal mine. The younger generations are paying a price for being exposed to environmental toxicity and not only from the first years of life, but in utero as well. In that regard, the elderly seem to do better in terms of epigenetic resilience. Just some observations and thoughts about it.

When you say tester for metals you mean a hair analysis?

Oats and brown rice contains gluten? When I ate oats I bought them with a label on saying gluten free and I have always understood from the internet that brown rice was gluten free. I have not consumed lentils nor nuts as a part of my diet for the last 8 months.

Your help is really appreciated.

Hair analysis is a good guide, a challenge urine test with DMSA is better. But if your digestive health is pretty bad, the test itself can be most uncomfortable. DMSA is best reserved for after some gut healing takes place.

Rice has 5% of gluten-like foods and some people do have colitis due to rice. I read yesterday in our SOTT Spanish site that there is a lot of arsenic in rice. People who eat rice in Spain have more uranium in their bodies than those who don't.

Oats has more concentration of gluten-like proteins and it is even eliminated from the classical gluten-free diet for celiacs.

Do take some time in our health & wellness forum section. There is a lot of useful info there.

I'm glad to see that you are interested in learning all of this and in taking care of yourself at such a young age. Hopefully other young people will follow your example.

 

[Joe]

I don't think the bodybuilding stuff would have contributed a whole lot unless you were on a steroid cycle.

I tend to disagree. Those "bulk up" protein powders are often full of terrible stuff (including aspartame) and the massive amounts of protein in them puts serious strain on the liver and really wreck your digestive system.

 

[Keyhole]

I don't think the bodybuilding stuff would have contributed a whole lot unless you were on a steroid cycle.

I tend to disagree. Those "bulk up" protein powders are often full of terrible stuff (including aspartame) and the massive amounts of protein in them puts serious strain on the liver and really wreck your digestive system.

Me too. Even if someone eats a clean diet free of the protein shakes etc, overtraining is one of the best ways to completely destroy the gut health. Especially when its done in-doors as well. KeevKK you would probably be best to take a complete break from doing any intense training for a while, because at the moment with the symptoms you describe, any training of this nature is likely to just put a lot more stress on to your body. I'm not saying to stay sedentary, just no weight lifting or intense cardio etc. Excercise is great when the body is in good health and can use the exercise as a hormetic stressor. However, when the body is under chronic stress already, training can be pretty dangerous and make the condition worse.

Added: Oops, sorry KeevKK. Have just re-read and realise that you are already taking a break from the body-building.

 

[trendsetter37]

I don't think the bodybuilding stuff would have contributed a whole lot unless you were on a steroid cycle.

I tend to disagree. Those "bulk up" protein powders are often full of terrible stuff (including aspartame) and the massive amounts of protein in them puts serious strain on the liver and really wreck your digestive system.

And not only that. When KeevKK mentioned that his symptoms worsened after starting the low-carb diet in conjunction with Laura's comment it made me think about his liver. When you are doing heavy lifting your muscles deplete glycogen stores so one has to be mindful of how they get replenished. If you are not eating a lot of carbs (which are converted to glucose) then the liver will compensate and generate more. But, if your liver is already strained from other issues; continuing a strenuous weight training program while going low-carb is probably the last thing you want to do. In effect, it will exacerbate any issues you may have that are connected to the liver.

KeevKK, given Laura's comment, the fact that you are/were bodybuilding, and the worsening of your symptoms from that specific low-carb diet; It is probably worthwhile to make a thorough effort in repairing your gut and liver.

Joe:

Hey! Yes I have consumed tons of whey and maltodextrin. But that was 2 years ago. I since quitted it and sticked to normal food.

Good! Most of those supplements marketed toward body-builders are poison. When I was bodybuilding around your age I noticed much better results with food alone. Even some of the benign sounding supplements can be an issue. For example, I took Nitrous-Oxide (NO) for awhile but I would not do that today mostly because I don't eat anywhere near the amount of carbs as I did back then. Neither do I eat every two hours which is pretty common for serious body builders. Both of those scenarios would be necessary to keep up with the increased glucose consumption of the muscles which is a result of more nitrous-oxide. Again more things you don't want to do if you're not eating an insane amount of food or carbs.

One small tip though, if you eat very frequently while needing your brain for intellectual matters in school it may not work out too well. There is very real energy economy that you should keep in mind. Your brain will need a lot of energy for school work as will your gut if you are in a constant state of digestion. Just something to think about. I am not saying this all applies to you per se but I do think my goals were similar to yours when I was in school.

 

[KeevKK]

Gaby:

I did not know that. Thanks for the clarification and the encouragement!

 

[KeevKK]

Joe:

Yes, my products did contain aspartarme which was one of the reasons I quitted it. I did also consume a lot of protein in a 6 months period but stopped after that since I figured out that it was unnecessary.

 

[KeevKK]

Keyhole:

Hey Keyhole. Thanks for your reply :)

 

[KeevKK]

trendsetter:

Hey! I am sorry for being clear enough. There is so many details.

To be clear I have not been bodybuilding while being low carb because I never got energy required to exercise.

And yes I have noticed being more clear headed when not eating and then my energy drops when I eat. But I have been able to eat a lot while keeping my mental state which makes me think I am dealing with something.

 

[munaychasumaq]

KeevKK.

Help to your good gut flora with high quality probiotics.Here a link with information.
https://www.sott.net/article/246540-36-Immune-Benefits-of-Probiotics


As Laura,say you need to help to detox your liver also.Try to find an specialist in nature therapies than can help you how to do it.I used to clean my liver with olive oil,grapefruit and Epsom salt,but you need to follow certain indications before to do it.Here some information.
https://youtu.be/eYa4_CMZKJQ

Add to your daily habits EE. A breathing technique that are going to help you a lot in the process.

http://eiriu-eolas.org/

Take care.

 

[petite femme]

I would like to second Laura's comment about reading through the iodine thread! There is a lot of good info there. An iodine regiment could help a lot with all of your symptoms! The salt loading that is talked about in the thread is also very important to not over load the kidneys. The thread also talks about many supplements to help with detox while taking the iodine.
Munaychasumaq's suggestion about a liver cleanse is also good. I would also recommend guidance from someone knowledgeable about natural therapies.
Good luck!

 

[Woodsman]

Aside from all the excellent advice and energy offered to you here, I would add...

It sounds like you have tried a LOT of different approaches. If you are only 22, then this suggests a rapid series of changes in a relatively short period of time.

From my experience, I found that changes to diet could result in sudden shocks to the system, which were very noticeable, but that on the whole, it took my body a couple of years to properly adapt to just one such change; a low carb/high fat diet. Any small tweaks I made to it, (lots of butter? No. How do eggs make me feel? Is fish good?), were all chosen carefully to fit within the low carb/high fat paradigm, and would take a few months to reveal themselves to me in terms of how my body would relate to them.

Iodine supplementing only after a good eight months settled into a comfortable norm.

I would recommend spending a few weeks to read up on the important areas, (and even that will probably not be enough). "Life Without Bread" was a very helpful starter book for me; easy to read, dense with new ways to think, and the thread here allowed for many gaps to be filled in along the way. -Then pick a general diet, (the one Laura suggested seems like a solid starting point), and stick to it for long enough to let your body and gut flora really settle into a rhythm it can rely upon.

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Also.., environmental toxins might play a role. Do you live in a basement? Is your shower curtain moldy? That stuff adds up, and mold is particularly insidious, affecting many, many more people than realize it. You mentioned "Jobs"; do any of your work places subject you to toxins?

It also sounds like you're working very hard, spinning very fast through life. One of the factors affecting you may simply be not allowing yourself time to ground and be still. Your body is perhaps like a soda bottle being over-shaken.

And finally.., have you been recently vaccinated?

All of this may seem overwhelming, and it can be at first, but peck away at it and time will pass and the mountain will seem more and more manageable. If you take smart steps and stick with them, finetune as you go, you will most likely see improvement.

 

[osher]

Maybe try elimination diet. I ate only pork and pork lard for two weeks, then introduced other food - one kind per day and observed body reactions.

 

[Sentenza]

I agree with the things said in the thread.
Liver issues, gut issues, maybe infection relative to this issues...
Sounds like adrenal fatigue too... Could have your level of cortisol checked by a 24 H urinary cortisol test.
And, yes, there is possibly an auto-immune disorder above all...

Good luck to find your solution. You'll succeed. ;)

Just a suggestion : Oil Pulling therapy (with coconut oil) could be a good habit for bad breath / dandruff issues. Works well for that.