Imminent Alien Disclosure?

[iamthatis]

Barber's wide-eyed description of being 'love-bombed', followed by his 'radiation sickness', are consistent with UFO encounters/abductions. Joe pointed out to me that those effects can also be induced by human tech, although for that to be the case you have to suppose an elaborate ruse to cause 'paranormal effects' in him so that his story makes for a more credible 'fake alien encounter'. I almost don't care about his mission that day, or whatever the 'egg' was. His description of the unusual change in his mental state during it is the interesting part. I wonder if this is what they're gearing up to 'breathe into' the population when the time is right: 'love-bombing' them into surrendering (what's left of) their will and undergoing the final stage(s) of 'mind-amalgamation'.

Yeah, when I listened to it, it sounds a lot like people's descriptions of smoking DMT or other psychedelic plant-medicine ceremonies - the mix of beauty/sadness of witnessing something holy, the feeling of specialness, etc. I can imagine that a guy like Barber with significant military programming, which often is designed to kill emotion in service of duty, could be really profoundly affected by such a 'spiritual' experience. Then there's the cognitive dissonance of this 'wonderful' experience paired with his skin falling off soon afterwards, heart problems, etc. It sounds like he may be slowly dying. The whole thing reminds me of a quote from one of Laura's books, I think CatHoM, citing Ernest Gellner's Anthropology and Politics:

The way in which you restrain people from doing a wide variety of things, not compatible with the social order of which they are members, is that you subject them to ritual. The process is simple: you make them dance around a totem pole until they are wild with excitement and become jellies in the hysteria of the collective frenzy; you enhance their emotional state by any device, by all the locally available audio-visual aids, drugs, dance, music and so on; and once they are really high, you stamp upon their minds the type of concept or notion to which they subsequently become enslaved. Next morning, the savage wakes up with a bad hangover and a deeply internalized concept. The idea that the central feature of religion is ritual, and the central role of ritual is the endowment of individuals with compulsive concepts which simultaneously define their social and natural world and restrain and control their perception and comportment, in mutually reinforcing ways. These deeply internalized notions henceforth oblige them to act within the range of prescribed limits. Each concept has a normative binding content, as well as a kind of organizational descriptive content. The conceptual system maps out the social order and required conduct, and inhibits inclinations to thought or conduct that would transgress its limits.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

If they did deliberately exclude him, and it wasn't an innocent oversight, as being the one who submitted the documents, he doesn't give his opinion as to why. Anyone here able to guess why?

He was annoyingly obtuse about the reason - I'm hoping Knapp will clear it up whenever they do a podcast discussing it. My first impression was that it was mostly ego, but that he also perhaps good reasons on top of that - just that his own personal emotions overshadowed his presentation of the issue. As far as I could understand, he thought that Mace lying would somehow have negative effects on existing or potential whistleblowers, but he didn't make clear precisely how that would be.

The one bit of actual evidence was presented by Burchett: that Corbell is considered a security risk (Knapp too), or something along those lines. So "someone" (staffers? IC?) told members of the committee not to even mention Corbell's name. Burchett said screw that, and thanked Corbell by name during the hearing.

 

[Windmill knight]

It may not be that at all, but that's what I thought after watching this show anyway, especially with all the emphasis on how his life is in danger and how they are trying to kill him but how this "wonderful thing" that possessed him is guiding and protecting him. By the way he actually used the word "possessed" and said something like "it was the most wonderful thing that's ever possessed me'... Makes one wonder how many times he has been possessed before

So we watched the show last night and I find it easier to believe that there were alien tech retrievals, that there's a 'psionics' team trying to lure UFOs and that there are all sorts of government secret programs we don't know about... than Barber's 'Mission Impossible' type of story. Maybe it's the fact that there are a lot of important details that are not explained in depth as they should, so we are left to make a leap of faith and just believe all of it.

For example, they claim that his team was being targeted for a set up, that they could be murdered. But how exactly did they reach that conclusion? They did mention that they reached a site to retrieve some secret laptops and the hard-drives were missing, that fires had been shot. And that later, some 'intel' indicated that the hard-drives were hidden in a container lying at the bottom of a lake. At that moment I was like, wait how, what, why?? Later, Barber decides to 'go rogue' and confront his former boss about who is trying to get at them, the boss is all nervous and hints at leaving the thing alone (I'm sure I've seen this in some action-thriller movie or two!). But Barber assembles an elite team that includes one of these psionics guys so they can gather the final evidence to release to the public. But as his psionic guy is taking control of a UAP with his mind, he says something is wrong and there's a UAP dog-fight right above their heads! So he drops control of his UAP, which falls from the sky. Huh?!

I mean, I don't mean to say these things are impossible, strange things do happen. But so many things are just left for the audience to accept, without a proper explanation, giving the whole story a sensational flavor to it. I do like Ross Coulthart and News Nation, though. I just wish he had made more, as a journalist, to flesh out all the missing and important pieces of the story, to make it believable. As it stands, I don't know Rick.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

I mean, I don't mean to say these things are impossible, strange things do happen. But so many things are just left for the audience to accept, without a proper explanation, giving the whole story a sensational flavor to it. I do like Ross Coulthart and News Nation, though. I just wish he had made more, as a journalist, to flesh out all the missing and important pieces of the story, to make it believable. As it stands, I don't know Rick.

The plan is to release the full interviews over the coming weeks via his Reality Check show, so hopefully we'll get more details. I agree, that laptop story sounded like a Bourne movie!

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Something I've mentioned on the NJ drones thread, but bears repeating here I think; the only reference most people have for "aliens" and particularly "alien invasion", is Hollywood movies. In the large majority of those movies, the aliens are decidedly evil, with the plots being, more or less, humans fighting against and defeating the "aliens". I'm leaving out movies like ET etc. that present an alien as cuddly, since they don't involve invasions.

I think it's pretty much a given that any alien invasion movie will present them as invaders, i.e. evil. If they were good, it wouldn't be an invasion, but a (violent?) liberation? I don't think that's ever been done. We should make a pitch to Hollywood.

IMO, alien invasion is just a sci-fi sub-genre that started more or less with Wells's War of the Worlds. I wouldn't leave out all the other alien movies, because they are also a big reference most people have for aliens. The history of aliens in film has plenty of both, all the way back to the 50s.

Most of the good alien movies could be called a "first contact" sub-genre, and the aliens are portrayed as either good or inscrutable (but not explicitly bad). That started with The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951). Others: It Came from Outer Space, This Island Earth, Moon Pilot, 2001, Close Encounters, Escape to Witch Mountain, ET, Starman, Brother from Another Planet, Cocoon, Flight of the Navigator, Batteries Not Included, The Abyss, Contact, Coneheads, Third Rock from the Sun, Super 8, Paul, and more in recent years.

One thing about the invasion movies is that they rarely root themselves in any actual ufology. The most you'll get is the little tidbits like in Independence Day (Area 51, crash recovery, reverse-engineering, etc.). Otherwise they just follow the tropes of the genre. The first contact movies are somewhat better, but the ones that stick most closely to reality are those based on actual accounts and research, e.g. the adaptations of the Hills' abduction, Communion, Intruders, Travis Walton, and the X-Files.

Two questions this brought up for me were:

1) why have so many alien invasion movies depicted the aliens as evil? Maybe it's just that the archetypal idea of being "invaded" has always been a negative one for human beings. Another possible answer is the in the second question.

I'd say yes to this, plus the fact that it's an established genre, and not necessarily by aliens. Some of the early alien invasion movies were thin allegories for Communist invasion, for example.

2) Assuming it's possible for "thor's pantheum" types to influence human creative endeavors like movies (as suggested by the Cs), why have the script writers for most modern day alien invasion movies not been "influenced" to make the aliens a lot more friendly, and thus prepare the ground for widespread acceptance at some point in the future?

They arguably have, given the first contact sub-genre. But there's an assumption here: that Thor's Pantheum is all STS and has this specific agenda. The C's said they're not:

Q: (L) Well, is this group STS or STO?

A: Both.

The TP discussion came up in reference to Independence Day:

Q: (L) What was the primary intention of the makers of this movie? The primary message that they attempted to convey?

A: Infuse thinking patterns with [planchette swirled a few times here] concept of aliens.

Q: (L) They intended to infuse thinking patterns with concept of aliens... was there any particular slant on aliens, per se, that was seen as desirable in the making of this movie?

A: Slant?

Q: (L) Slant, in other words, did they wish to present them inaccurately to confuse people, to present them as something to be feared and fought against, or to make them appear so completely erroneous, so that when actual aliens do appear, that they will not be perceived as negative?

A: Infuse.

Q: (L) Infuse. Just the concept, the concept of aliens in general. OK...

A: Part of a larger project.

To me that implies that the invasion theme was secondary - the primary purpose was simply to infuse the idea of aliens into people's minds.

We also don't know how exactly such influence occurs, or its limits. A screenwriter might just get the inspiration to do an alien movie, and that's it. It may turn out to be first-contact or invasion. Or they might have an original plot in mind, and only specific ideas get transmitted to them for inclusion (kind of like how the CIA manipulates some screenplays).

 

[Yas]

On the topic of alien TV shows, there's one that was somewhat popular in the 2000s that was interesting: Taken, with Steven Spielberg as producer.

This Jake Barber story reminded me of it, not because it is similar in any way, but because the series portrays a dynamic where the government is constantly trying to catch up with the aliens trying to control the phenomenon and (spoiler alert!), although the aliens aren't necessarily portrayed as all good and nice, the ending suggests that their intentions were actually always good and that we should all be friends, and that the government was bad because of their ambition to use alien craft for their own agenda of power.

I thought of it because of the possible dynamic in Barber's story where different players (secret government, private contractors, etc.) could be fighting in the style of a Mission Impossible movie to be ahead of the game in the retrieval of information, craft and all things related to aliens for their own agenda, which may be true to a certain extent, but adding the fact that Barber believes that this benevolent "intelligence" that possessed him wants the truth to be out.

I've been thinking that with how things are today, more people believe there's a deep state that is corrupt to the core, so, the idea of an alien intelligence working through a patriot against a deep state which is hiding the truth to pursue its own agenda could be more easily swallowed and perceived as "positive".

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Barber says NewsNation has agreed to release the full 2.5 hour interview:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1881554389728706611

 

[Voyageur]

...Some of the early alien invasion movies were thin allegories for Communist invasion, for example.

A: Infuse thinking patterns with [planchette swirled a few times here] concept of aliens.

Q: (L) They intended to infuse thinking patterns with concept of aliens... was there any particular slant on aliens, per se, that was seen as desirable in the making of this movie?

A: Slant?

Q: (L) Slant, in other words, did they wish to present them inaccurately to confuse people, to present them as something to be feared and fought against, or to make them appear so completely erroneous, so that when actual aliens do appear, that they will not be perceived as negative?

A: Infuse.

Q: (L) Infuse. Just the concept, the concept of aliens in general. OK...

A: Part of a larger project.

To me that implies that the invasion theme was secondary - the primary purpose was simply to infuse the idea of aliens into people's minds.

The root words around aliens is already well infused with earthly and non-earthly meaning, too:

alienate (v.)

1510s, "transfer to the ownership of another;" 1540s, "make estranged" (in feelings or affections), from Latin alienatus, past participle of alienare "to make another's, part with; estrange, set at variance," from alienus "of or belonging to another person or place," from alius "another, other, different" (from PIE root *al- (1) "beyond"). Related: Alienated; alienating.

In Middle English the verb was simply alien, from Old French aliener and directly from Latin alienare. It is attested from mid-14c. in theology, "estrange" (from God, etc.; in past participle aliened); late 14c. as "break away (from), desert;" c. 1400 in law, "transfer or surrender one's title to property or rights."


alien (adj.)

c. 1300, "strange, foreign," from Old French alien "strange, foreign;" as a noun, "an alien, stranger, foreigner," from Latin alienus "of or belonging to another, not one's own, foreign, strange," also, as a noun, "a stranger, foreigner," adjective from alius (adv.) "another, other, different" (from PIE root *al- (1) "beyond").

The meaning "residing in a country not of one's birth" is from mid-15c. The sense of "wholly different in nature" is from 1670s. The meaning "not of this Earth" is recorded by 1920. An alien priory (mid 15c.) is one owing obedience to a religious jurisdiction in a foreign country.

alienation (n.)

late 14c., alienacioun, "action of estranging, disownment;" early 15c., "transfer of one's title to property or rights," from Old French alienacion and directly from Latin alienationem (nominative alienatio) "a transfer, surrender, separation," noun of action from past-participle stem of alienare "to make another's, part with; estrange, set at variance." This is from alienus "of or belonging to another person or place," from alius "another, other, different" (from PIE root *al- (1) "beyond").

Middle English alienation also meant "deprivation of mental faculties, insanity" (early 15c.), from Latin alienare in a secondary sense "deprive of reason, drive mad;" hence alienist. Phrase alienation of affection as a U.S. legal term in divorce cases for "falling in love with someone else" dates to 1861.

You also get the word 'inalienable (like inalienable rights): "that cannot be given up," whereas alienable is the converse: "that can be surrendered or given up."

So, in some ways going back in time, the word alien already sets up 'differences' and how it is used can be deemed a threat, and the slant in movies cements it as negative, something to be feared, invaders known in society's collective consciousness perhaps.

Don't know, its an interesting question Joe raised that others an you responded to.

 

[aragorn]

We also don't know how exactly such influence occurs, or its limits. A screenwriter might just get the inspiration to do an alien movie, and that's it. It may turn out to be first-contact or invasion. Or they might have an original plot in mind, and only specific ideas get transmitted to them for inclusion (kind of like how the CIA manipulates some screenplays).

Yes, and maybe one factor is the simple reason that an archetypal battle between 'goodies' and 'baddies' makes a movie more suspenseful and attractive to the audience, and thus makes more money. And, as others have said, it appears that in the majority of these movies humans always win in the end over the aliens?

As others, I've been thinking about the detail with the hard drives dumped in the lake. First of all, to use the word hard drive sounds old school (Coulthard had even inserted images of old mechanical hard drives). These days we talk about flash drives and memory cards, right? Okay, so it was a while back when it happened, maybe they were still using the old mechanical hard drives back then? Not very advanced tech if you ask me.

Anyways, more to the point, even though the "dumping the hard drives in the lake" doesn't sound logical, I was thinking that there's always the 'trickster factor'. That is, what John Keel described as the 'Cosmic trickster' doing all kinds of crazy things (e.g., space dudes offering pancakes to a human dude), partly just for 'fun and games' and partly just to keep us guessing and off track.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Elizondo on Barber and the egg video, says "it's not an aerostat", and defends Courthart:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1881866605837316401

He doesn't know Barber personally, but knows some guys he worked with, and helped provide him with protection in order to go public.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

This is going to be pretty big:

It's been known about for a while now, but was just announced officially. This is Dan Farah's UFO documentary (Farah produced Ready Player One). He interviews "34 senior members of the U.S. Government, military, and intelligence community", including Rubio, Gillibrand, Carson, Burchett, Elizondo, Stratton, Clapper, and more. The rumor has been that they will be saying a lot more here than they have publicly until now. The trailer seems to confirm this, with Jay Stratton (who ran AAWSAP, AATIP, and UAPTF, at the latter of which he directed Grusch to find the stuff he found) saying for the first time that he has personally seen non-human craft and intelligences.

It premiers at SXSW in March.

 

[Niall]

A curious claim from Congressman Tim Burchett, who has been one of those politicians actively in favor of 'disclosure':

https://twitter.com/x/status/1881474493291565525

CE-5 apparently stands for "Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind."

ADDED: The above apparently comes from an interview he did for Ross Coulthart in April 2024, btw.

 

[axj]

A curious claim from Congressman Tim Burchett, who has been one of those politicians actively in favor of 'disclosure':

https://twitter.com/x/status/1881474493291565525

If most UFOs are 4D STS, which is basically demonic, then contacting them is indeed akin to contacting demonic forces.

 

[herondancer]

Elizondo on Barber and the egg video, says "it's not an aerostat", and defends Courthart:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1881866605837316401

He doesn't know Barber personally, but knows some guys he worked with, and helped provide him with protection in order to go public.

That link returns a blank, but this one seems to work. I had to go to @digustipated42's direct feed to get it. X is weird that way sometimes.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1881866605837316401

 

[Approaching Infinity]

According to John Blitch, who appeared in Coulthart's special, Dave Grusch is the one who put him in contact with Jake Barber and his team, specifically with the goal of giving them some support to go public.

I can't remember which podcast it was on, but one of the hosts reached out to Grusch, who clarified that Barber wasn't one of his 40 witnesses during the UAPTF investigation, so Grusch only met him after that. This suggests at the very least that Grusch doesn't find Barber's claims outlandish - probably matches with stuff he already knows.