The World's Fair

I’ll say the unspoken part: it seems to me there is an actual reluctance to dive into these waters.

I think it's no wonder why people have such reluctance, since this topic is a huge mess. It seems that everybody is jumping on this bandwagon and adds its own theory, usually without a good research.

To the “Tartariaists” (for lack of a better word), The historical narratives about the buildings and their construction dates as well as their purposes are severely lacking in detail and believability. (Incredibly Massive, expensive, extensive and quite elegant insane asylums is one good example) so there is a mismatch between narratives and the evidence we see with our eyes, IOW, the buildings.

In my city, several health centers are located in unusual buildings. The story is that when the communists came to power, they took the villas from the rich people and converted them to health centers. So the buildings originally had a different purpose. Perhaps those American buildings have similar stories.

What about bigger buildings such as pyramids?

If STS were to eliminate constructors of first pyramid - then someone else would look at stars, discover math, discover various laws, pick materials based on resource availability, and eventually those people could come up to same conclusions and build pyramid.

If STS were to eliminate constructors of any pyramid after first - then someone else would be inspired by first pyramid and build next one anyway.

If it was that easy, then our civilization would have no problem in making another pyramid. You don't need STS to eliminate constructors, nature does that, as it always was. But the problem becomes when the knowledge is lost, and that is a common thing in our world. People quickly forget things for some reason, and we have to constantly rediscover what was lost. And that requires a lot of good research, which many people do not do, so they just further muddy the waters.
 
If it was that easy, then our civilization would have no problem in making another pyramid.

No, but it doesn't have to be easy...
When i wrote :
eventually those people could come up to same conclusions and build pyramid.
"Eventually", so it doesn't have to be right away and easy to do. Maybe "those people" was a bit misleading, sorry.

But then why i thought "those people" and why i did consider it wouldn't impact timeline too much?
Reason i believe that is kinda simple - in case some of constructors dying there is possibility that some school of teaching already discovered things exists or that network of some groups that love math and astronomy exist, and if STS would kill those there is "vacant" spot for someone with more advanced soul to reincarnate into. Void would be easily replaced.

Also i am not sure if our civilization is amazing enough to consider that it should be no problem making things that we do not mass produce. Another possibility is that it may be other way around: we may be below civilization level of those that did pyramids, so there is possibility that they would have no trouble making stuff we do, but we are not be advanced enough..

you don't need STS to eliminate constructors, nature does that, as it always was. But the problem becomes when the knowledge is lost, and that is a common thing in our world. People quickly forget things for some reason, and we have to constantly rediscover what was lost. And that requires a lot of good research, which many people do not do, so they just further muddy the waters.
I do not think nature is what does that:
-if civilizations had enough backups
-if backups were about most important things and not things that are important only for that particular civilization
-if civilizations had backups that are recoverable
-if backups weren't protected by people unwilling to share backups with others
Then most of disasters wouldn't be issue, so i blame humanity.
Unless its well whole planet destroyed and that civilization has no connections with other planets. I cannot think of way to survive that
 
Reason i believe that is kinda simple - in case some of constructors dying there is possibility that some school of teaching already discovered things exists or that network of some groups that love math and astronomy exist, and if STS would kill those there is "vacant" spot for someone with more advanced soul to reincarnate into. Void would be easily replaced.

Again, if it was that easy, we would be building pyramids left and right by now. It's been several thousand years since the last pyramid was built and we still cannot do it.
 
And it’s not just constructors of a building. It’s entire resets of the whole population involved, or so it seems. The C’s have alluded to it in different ways at different times. And it is quite possible humanity is on the verge of another such reset. That is what makes this line of questioning both provocative, important and urgent, IMO.

(EG, why are the rich and powerful digging luxury bunkers etc?)
 
It's been several thousand years since the last pyramid was built and we still cannot do it.
Thank You. I think i begun to see gap in my thinking. I assumed void would fill itself by similar people, because people seek other people with similar aims, but what i didn't take into account is that someone could have more advanced plan where they both create void by destroying things but also control what fills that void.

If STS creates void and at same time "maintains" civilization in way that makes sure that void won't get easily filled by anyone capable of building pyramids then likelihood of us building those constructions is really low, though for me it sounds like full time job requiring cyclical "care", rather than time travel back and forth.

Unless they are more efficient than i believe they are and "few thoughts/button presses" is all it takes.
 
The real issue is time line manipulation,

Evidence of more recent timeline manipulation through time travel

No one is mentioning time travel, only timeline manipulation. to distort history time you don't have to time travel.

Great question. But it brings us back to the question of time travel vs time line manipulation. We don’t know enough about the difference or about how those 2 concepts would interact.
Perhaps things would be clearer to us if we knew what time is.
Cass. went from stating that time does not exist to explaining that it does, but not in the way we perceive and measure it.
So first we need to determine what “real” time is as opposed to “perceived” time. Then we can get a picture of what “timeline” and “time travel” mean and how this affects the manifestation of material and other physical phenomena.
 
Perhaps things would be clearer to us if we knew what time is.
Cass. went from stating that time does not exist to explaining that it does, but not in the way we perceive and measure it.
So first we need to determine what “real” time is as opposed to “perceived” time. Then we can get a picture of what “timeline” and “time travel” mean and how this affects the manifestation of material and other physical phenomena.

I think maybe "Timelines" have to be experienced by the 3D perceiver for them to be effectively used by 4D to achieve the outcome they're looking for? That may have become more effective as their plans in terms of interfering with 3D culture and restricted awareness progressed. Maybe in a way of more critical mass, than say straight line time.

I think when the C's said "There is no time" - my reading on that as it was specifically replying to a linear, coherent 3D timeline that we generally accept. Meaning, we have multiple incarnations, probable pasts and probable futures that may be more "porous" or less material than we think.

It doesn't seem likely to me that they are able to insert megalithic structures into our past. They are definitely able to erase records telling the contemporary memory or culture and their purpose for creating the structures. They don't even have to do this themselves, they can get 3D human agents through war, greed, etc. to do that.

If they were able to say, defeat the forces of the cosmic cycles, the earth, climate or any other scaled, massive force, then Atlantis wouldn't have been destroyed.
 
Q: (Andromeda) But the giants lived alongside little people then?

A: Yes

Q: (Joe) And was life easier for normal people then, as well?

A: Yes

Q: (L) It had probably been in decline beginning from even earlier periods...

A: Yes

Q: (L) So that was the last big change I guess, something like 540 AD.

(Joe) In the reports of explorers after the Roman Empire going and finding giants and stuff, if they fought with the giants it seems they were relatively easily defeated as they were big and slow.

(L) They probably weren't able to deal with the environmental conditions.

(Andromeda) Were they stupid?

A: Not at first.

Q: (L) But they became stupid as their health declined in the environmental changes?

A: Yes


Perhaps normal humans also became less intelligent as environment changed, and that is why we cannot figure out things that people in the past could. Perhaps environment also changed a little bit in our recent history, like in the turn of 19th to 20th century?
 
Perhaps normal humans also became less intelligent as environment changed, and that is why we cannot figure out things that people in the past could.
According to clairvoyants like Rudolph Steiner, what changed the most from early Atlantean times and today is the natural development of the rational mind. It is apparently a necessary step in our evolution, but it also somehow blocks psychic abilities to a large extent.

So apparently people could use their psychic and maybe other powers much more easily and were intelligent in their use, while on the rational level they still had to develop the lower mind.
 
You mean the topic of how timeline manipulations are done and if there is any way for us to detect them?
yes and that the point of fussing about buildings is that they potentially provide a way to detect.
Perhaps normal humans also became less intelligent as environment changed, and that is why we cannot figure out things that people in the past could. Perhaps environment also changed a little bit in our recent history, like in the turn of 19th to 20th century?
Certainly spraying the air, EMF, dietary additives, a toxic environment, pharmaceutical drugs, exposure to weird artificial LED lights and screens, and vaccines are all environmental changes in the 20th century. (not to mention the cosmic, solar and geomagnetic environment)

Then this:

Q: (Joe) And was life easier for normal people then, as well?
A: Yes
Q: (L) It had probably been in decline beginning from even earlier periods...
A: Yes
Q: (L) So that was the last big change I guess, something like 540 AD.*

IF so, that would put the buildings with huge monumental doors suitable for giants at the fall of the Roman empire. But many of those look "Tartatian" (don't like using that term here, but you get the idea) and get dated by the official narrative at a much later date...and so there is a detection of something.

*But note - the C's did not respond to this assumption - either 540AD or that this was the last big change.

And that is what the buildings are pointing to: some sort of big change between the fall of Rome and the present era.

Cue Chicago

 
I collected several posts from one person on Reddit that nicely summarizes Tartaria theory:

I made the poor decision to begin interacting with history related posts of facebook and got pulled into conspiracy land.

Apparently there used to be a super advanced, globe spanning civilization called the Tartarian Empire. They collected free electricity from the aether. That’s why their old buildings have metal domes and spires. Their empire collapsed sometime in the mid to late 1800’s during a global calamity, a great mud flood.

The remains of their civilization can be seen in star forts dotted around the world. As well as every classical and neoclassical building ever built. Most of which were built long before Europeans arrived to the area. This includes their structures in the Americas, Africa, the Middle East, India, East Asia, and Oceania. Also, volcanoes don’t exist. They’re the buried remnants of Tartarian mega cities whose main power generators are unstable. That’s why lightening can be seen striking into and out of the ash clouds of volcanoes.

How could this have been kept a secret?

Well you see, shortly after the fall of the Tartarian Empire, insane asylums and state hospitals started popping up everywhere. Whenever somebody claimed to remember the tartarians or any of the time before the mud floods, they would be tossed into the loony bin and lobotomized. That all lasted till the mid 1900’s. By then the last of the people who truly remembered the Tartarian empire either fell into line or had been forced to forget.

I’m an official member of their Facebook group now. I’ll continue posting memes I can make from their stuff, until they either ban me, or I get black bagged by the government.

It gets even better. In order to help hide the existence of Tartarian structures, the shadow government orchestrated both world wars as a cover. It allowed them to demolish hundreds and thousands of buildings and blame it all on air raids and artillery strikes.


It apparently started as a Russian thing. An old map labeled large parts of Asia as different provinces of Tartary. This included a large part of Siberia called Muscovite Tartary. So Russians used it as a nationalism thing. It has sense grown to be a global conspiracy.

They controlled the world with robots and electricity. They built the pyramids and sphinx, as well as every building you can think of that even takes inspiration from Greco-Roman/classical design. They invented bastion and star forts, and built basically every structure you can think of that “historians” would tell you was in European hands all the way till 1900. They built the White House, the built most of the US and Canadian state and provincial capitals. They built the Eiffel Tower and most European castles.

Basically anywhere that you can see lightening striking with any sort of regularity was a building they constructed to harvest energy from the aether.

The Tartarian stuff takes it even further. They apparently not only built the pyramids, but every bastion fort and castle you can think of. As well as every building with classical style columns, and all domes. Especially if that dome is topped with a metal statue or spire to help collect the natural energies of the aether.


Well you see… it wasn’t aliens. The tartarians discovered how to draw free electricity from the aether using obelisks and dome structures. Same type of thing Tesla took credit for discovering. They had advanced machines and robotics.

When Europeans discovered some of their advanced structures they took photos of them, but by that time their civilization had already collapsed. That’s why old photos of guide buildings supposedly built in the 1800’s have no people in them. When you do start seeing photos and videos of people in these once abandoned cities you see them walking in a thick mud slurry. What type of civilization would build these giant pristine buildings but not pave their roads?

They did pave their roads, but the great mud flood swept across the world and depopulated their empire to the point of collapse. Combine that with the public demolition of their structures during different world fairs, and secret demolition using the world wars as a cover up and you can obviously start piecing the puzzle back together.


It originated as a piece of Russian pseudoscience nationalist propaganda. The Tartarians, aka Russian horde in some conspiracies, controlled most of the world until being whipped out by a great mud flood and having their advanced tech stolen. This explains why the great and powerful Russian people were behind the rest of the world technologically.

The modern conspiracy takes the “you can’t build big without modern equipment” type argument you usually see for African and Asian megastructures, drops the Russian nationalism angle, and applies it carte blanche to basically every structure bigger than a house built before the early 20th century.

They also built the white house and most of the capitol buildings. As well as every classical and neoclassical building. If it has columns and/or a dome, they think the Tartarians built it.


Essentially most of world history is completely fabricated by their account. Most of humanity was bunga bunga sticks and stones, except the 1 super advanced civ. They collapsed, and the rest of us just kind of took over their old buildings. Anybody who disagreed with just forgetting about the Tartarians got tossed into an asylum. Most of the really big buildings and the ones that were inconvenient to convert were demolished. Examples of that are the “temporary” structures built for the 1915 world fair in San Francisco. The ones they couldn’t find an excuse to demolish were deliberately targeted during the world wars.

 
IF so, that would put the buildings with huge monumental doors suitable for giants at the fall of the Roman empire. But many of those look "Tartatian" (don't like using that term here, but you get the idea) and get dated by the official narrative at a much later date...and so there is a detection of something.

*But note - the C's did not respond to this assumption - either 540AD or that this was the last big change.

And that is what the buildings are pointing to: some sort of big change between the fall of Rome and the present era.

I understand one part of the logic behind this theory. And that is that it is not possible that humans could forget how to do some things that quickly, so those buildings had to be built in much earlier times by some advanced civilization. But I think that it is possible for humans to devolve that quickly. And I think that we can also see that phenomena in our time. And people talked about it 100 years ago. Weston Price talked about it when he was showing big differences between just two or three generations of humans in his time, and others at the beginning of 20th century were also complaining that new generations are not as good as previous ones. So there seems to be a constant degradation of human beings for who knows how many thousands of years. And that goes against the theory that human civilization is improving over time. Well, on one hand you do have the process of learning and passing on the knowledge which is improving the civilization, but on the other hand you also have a degradation of human abilities over time, for some reason. And perhaps some cosmic events could speed up that process. Or, in some cases, temporary reverse it. So you could have a temporary burst of civilization that builds amazing things, after which new generations that reverted to the normal state of humanity would awe in wonder how was that possible.
 
So there seems to be a constant degradation of human beings for who knows how many thousands of years.
Degradation in what way? The percentage of people who are more or less aware of what is really going on in the world is probably higher now than at any point in recorded history. According to various sources, we may not get a repeat of Atlantean planet-wide cataclysms this time either.
 
Degradation in what way?

In every possible way.

The percentage of people who are more or less aware of what is really going on in the world is probably higher now than at any point in recorded history.

But we are not much aware about our history.

According to various sources, we may not get a repeat of Atlantean planet-wide cataclysms this time either.

Why not? All the ingredients are there.
 
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