4D STO principles

[Fluffy]

For @Pat and @Fluffy

I know what you are dealing with. There is a great resemblance with my situation.
You want to give your best and actually respect their boundaries and free will but they are
very unmature and without basic responsibility so all they do is manipulation, ackting up and chaos.

My partner is dismisive avoidant with a lot of narcissistic traits.
And realationship with that kind of person was in constant push/pull dinamics.
I didn't realise until 4 years (and we are married for 18) that basicaly - I'm just food source for him.
He doesn't want to see himself, be honest, every other word is a lie,
tries to manipulate and use everyone around and he is always a vicitim.

You are stupid, nagging, not giving him space, anoying...
They do not know how to give, even less to recieve, dont want connection, growth, any kind of change or improvement.
Just you to let them be their way in safe distance, unless something unpleasent changes for them (illnes,..)
Then they are victims again and then they will only accept something from you (not cause they care or respect or love you)
but for their pure survival.

Every other time they will comepletly ignore you exictence and every other need as human being.
It is extremly difficult when someone you love is like that and you see there is no way of changing their heart.

The point is - you have to put very firm boundaries if you have no means to leave physicaly.
Stop being food source for them. No more blaming mind games (mindfuck !) of any kind. Enough.
Protect yourself. Everything you offered out of love and understanding has been rejected. Right ?
Like Cass said - you work for you, not against them.
Although they will definitly try to manipulate you that you are the heartless and selfish one when you cut of they 'food' supply.

This is probably the hardest STO : STS basic drill we could have here on 3D.
Do not feed on others and do not let yourself be food. At least - try.
Until we find physical exit way out of that dinamic.
Save yourself and just let them.
I pray with all my heart we all succide in that as soon as possible.


Sorry for 'offtopic' guys

Sounds like you have your own little petty tyrant, they can be of great benefit if you can not let them drain your energy. I don’t know if it’s a gift to have one of these so close to us, I wonder if avoiding these kinds of people is taking the easy road, I don’t have the answers to those questions but I do know that in the face of such enormous challenges there’s always a personal victory to be had. It might be stupid of me but I’d rather stare down the beast and learn to outsmart its manoeuvres than run away from it.
I wish you well Maya

 

[Menna]

Mental blocking could be making a choice to stay in control of emotions in an argument, or remaining calm in a traffic jam. Craving a piece of chocolate cake when everyone at the party is eating some but deciding not to based on knowledge about what it’s made from. Mental blocking could also be feeling lazy and not wanting to work out, but instead of doing nothing you choose to go for a walk instead. I can think of hundreds of similar examples.

Mental blocking would involve intentionally directing negative thoughts about self or others into something affirming and positive, or resisting an urge to dissociate by doing something like a meditation or reading or helping someone else.

Gotcha, thank you

 

[3DStudent]

I think it was also stated that a simple mental, "No!" is considered mental blocking. Particularly with intrusive thoughts or Predator's Mind thought loops. But anything that you don't want to or know you shouldn't do. Isn't there a similar psychological exercise called, "Stop!"?

 

[Maya]

Sounds like you have your own little petty tyrant, they can be of great benefit if you can not let them drain your energy. I don’t know if it’s a gift to have one of these so close to us, I wonder if avoiding these kinds of people is taking the easy road, I don’t have the answers to those questions but I do know that in the face of such enormous challenges there’s always a personal victory to be had. It might be stupid of me but I’d rather stare down the beast and learn to outsmart its manoeuvres than run away from it.
I wish you well Maya

Yep, I agree and I'm basicaly doing the same thing but I'm running out of patience lately.
Although I mastered dealing with him pretty efficiently and learn tremendeosly about myself I can not to wonder
if life has something else for me ?
Maybe different kind of growth - not only from someone fertilise you with loads of their BS but maybe some love, care and tenderness.
Tired of being a hero, if you know what I mean
Take care

 

[Alma.Innovadora]

Mental blocking would involve intentionally directing negative thoughts about self or others into something affirming and positive, or resisting an urge to dissociate by doing something like a meditation or reading or helping someone else.

Mental blocks for "external" use and mental blocks for "internal" use.

It's better, IMO, to be an honest STS denizen, than the same STS being with illusions of being STO.

How much does "recognizing ourselves as STS" cover?

I think the scariest thing, and the one we rarely sit down to honestly consider, is precisely our STS actions, everything that being STS entails. I'm not just talking about being rude to someone, being indifferent, selfish, the daily fights with others, self-deception, etc. I think that's something that should be addressed with kid gloves.

If life is a reflection and something as basic as feeling anger toward another is an unresolved problem in us that can even be carried over from a past life, what about detesting a murderer? For example?

Remember when Cass mentioned that even revealing the position of a murderer (I don't remember the context) was a violation of free will? What would you do in a situation like that? Does saving a person in a certain dangerous situation always determine being a STS choice, no matter how well-intentioned the socially correct response? That's very difficult, right?

How about considering the journey from past lives as STS to our current existence?

Has anyone considered themselves to have been a psychopath in some of their lives? That in past lives they "took" someone's life for some reason? That progress is part of overcoming it? That it's also part of our progressive nature?

 

[Fluffy]

How about considering the journey from past lives as STS to our current existence?

Has anyone considered themselves to have been a psychopath in some of their lives? That in past lives they "took" someone's life for some reason? That progress is part of overcoming it? That it's also part of our progressive nature?

yes I have absolutely considered it, and at times I’ve felt like I can relate to murderers and psychopaths and it’s honestly quite shocking to me that I’ve had such a morbid curiosity about crimes involving brutal death, especially when it involves babies.

After doing a past life regression meditation and noticing there are other doors for me to go through when I do it again, I had a few flashes of some lives I will re-experience. One of them is so heinous and gruesome, and I’m the perpetrator and worst of all I liked what I was doing… I don’t know the details yet, and I’m not at all looking forward to finding out, though I realise I have to accept these parts of myself as legitimate and worthy if I truly want to integrate these bits of me into my whole self.

Like when the C’s talk about insectiods eating babies etc. it’s just our perception that it’s bad. Still it’s a very hard and spiky pill to swallow.

 

[Alma.Innovadora]

it’s just our perception that it’s bad.

Yes, we don't even need to remember a past life to consider that this "Evil STS" part is part of us if we pay attention to the experience we experience through simple indirect revenge and any thought of desire or resentment toward others. Something that's obvious and that we forget due to our "well-intentioned" perceptions.

To be STO, we must purify ourselves of STS energies, and to be STS, we must purify ourselves of STO energies, simple "progress/evolution." And throughout this process, we struggle internally to find a dramatic and poetic explanation for all this, thinking of "good" and "bad."

That's why we shouldn't force things and be careful not to categorize them as a guide or personal map, like someone who believes that by going to church every Sunday, it will "set us free."

Today, we are faced with the arduous task of making the conscious effort to understand the choice we make to anchor ourselves to a vibrational frequency. And it's barely the only thing we know and remember, and that makes it more difficult because there are things we like about this world, and many of the things we "like" even clash with both vibrational frequencies.

How the hell do you eat chocolate without feeling pleasure from it? (laughs)

Duf, we'll get where we need to go anyway. I'm just saying, don't be hard on yourself; remember to enjoy the journey, taking care not to fall into negligence due to knowledge that a large majority of the population doesn't yet possess.

 

[Alejo]

Remember when Cass mentioned that even revealing the position of a murderer (I don't remember the context) was a violation of free will? What would you do in a situation like that? Does saving a person in a certain dangerous situation always determine being a STS choice, no matter how well-intentioned the socially correct response? That's very difficult, right?

I think the key here is, are we ok with being STS? that is, recognizing our current state. You can still be well intentioned, and be STS, seek justice as an STS function.

I think STS does not necessarily mean ill intentioned, or seeking to harm another. it just means service to the self, it does mean taking from someone else, or something else, but it doesn't have to be with the intent to do so, not consciously I think.

I think a psychopathic criminal could be an extreme form of STS in our reality, and we can not be one, and still remain STS.

On the other point, well, I think progress and learning isn't tied to orientation, I don't think the purpose of life is to set a soul on the path towards STO, it is simply learning karmic principles, and then face the choice.

That's why I think that it's better to recognize the reality of STS existence, and be honest about it.

 

[Wandering Star]

How the hell do you eat chocolate without feeling pleasure from it? (laughs)

I don't think that enjoying the things around us be something bad.

Do you eat several whole bars of chocolate every day?

You can enjoy it or you can be greedy.

Giving up chocolate to have better frequency could be selfish or it might not be if it makes the person sick, for example.

My point of view.

 

[Scottie]

I don't think that enjoying the things around us be something bad.

Do you eat several whole bars of chocolate every day?

You can enjoy it or you can be greedy.

Giving up chocolate to have better frequency could be selfish or it might not be if it makes the person sick, for example.

And then you have the problem that giving up anything with the expectation of getting something in return - like 'better frequency' - is still STS. This is compounded by the fact that most of the time, our motivations for why we do what we do are mostly un/subconscious.

Put another way: Wallowing in 3D STS is not going to get you to 4D STO - or anywhere else... but pretending you're already there when you're still here as 3D STS is definitely not getting you anywhere, IMO.

 

[Fluffy]

And then you have the problem that giving up anything with the expectation of getting something in return - like 'better frequency' - is still STS. This is compounded by the fact that most of the time, our motivations for why we do what we do are mostly un/subconscious.

Put another way: Wallowing in 3D STS is not going to get you to 4D STO - or anywhere else... but pretending you're already there when you're still here as 3D STS is definitely not getting you anywhere, IMO.

So there comes the non-anticipation part. If we intentionally do things, change our diet, exercise, learn new things, be kind to others etc with the intention of raising our frequency, grow our antennae, ability to ride the Wave then that would effectively make us more STS than someone who just does those things because it’s what they do, not because it’s good for them or anyone or because there’s something to be gained.

Now I’m getting confused. So how does conscious suffering fit into all of this? How do we consciously suffer without an objective or purpose, which would imply anticipation?

This conversation is helping me to realise just how STS we/I really are/am.

 

[Alma.Innovadora]

I think the key here is, are we ok with being STS? that is, recognizing our current state. You can still be well intentioned, and be STS, seek justice as an STS function.

I know what that question means and that's what I've been wondering. I'll think about it because Scottie also said something very good to ask:

Do you feel good "Wallowing in 3D STS"?

I think STS does not necessarily mean ill intentioned, or seeking to harm another. it just means service to the self, it does mean taking from someone else, or something else, but it doesn't have to be with the intent to do so, not consciously I think.

Are you referring to the STS function for an STO candidate? that's what we do, I mean, harm others unconsciously and through this process we can then become aware of how not to do it.

But those are cases for our practically everyday social dynamics. By the scenario I mentioned, I was referring to a more complicated event where "doing the right thing," from our social perspective, isn't really the right thing or STO choice.

I don't think the purpose of life is to set a soul on the path towards STO,

"Religiously" speaking, no.

I think progress and learning isn't tied to orientation

My simplistic thinking has been that throughout our lives, we've made choices that have led us down one path or another: one time STS, another time STO, and so on, until we've anchored more toward STO. In this case, and only now, at this moment, can we consciously choose an "orientation" based on what you're saying about facing our choices because we are now "STO candidates."

It is simply learning karmic principles, and then face the choice.

I don't understand anything about karma beyond the familiar simplistic explanations, and I tend to conflate them with "reflections/mirrors" of life or experiences. Sometimes I have an intuition about a very repetitive pattern of behavior or experience, but I still can't pinpoint it.

Thanks for the extra info, as always.

I don't think that enjoying the things around us be something bad.

Here is the context of my comment about chocolate.

Q: It seems to me that it is possible to experience all of these things, including sex, without the need or desire to possess; only to give. In which case, I still don't understand how it can be a mechanism for a 'fall.'

A: If it is desired, then the mechanism is not to give. Do you eat a piece of chocolate cake because it is good to give to the stomach?

Q: Well, you could!

A: No, in STS, which is your realm do not forget, one gives because of the pleasant sensation which results.

So how does conscious suffering fit into all of this?

And this:

Q: For example: there are some people who like to suffer, because they believe that the flesh is sinful. That is a big thing that the Lizzies have instituted. For centuries they have wanted people to suffer, and they have made this big deal about sex and anything that might be considered pleasant or desirable should be denied, and that a person should suffer, and revel in their suffering. And, actually, making a person...

A: If one seeks to suffer, they do so in expectation of future reward. They desire to possess something in the end.


Q: What I am saying is: if a person can simply BE, in the doing and being of who and what they are, in simplicity; to become involved in doing everything as a meditation, or as a consecration, whether they are walking down the street and being at one with the air, the sunshine, the birds and trees and other people; in this state of oneness, doesn't that constitute a giving to the universe as giving oneself up as a channel for the universe to experience all these things?

A: Not if one is "feeling this oneness."

Q: We are what we are. Nature is nature. Progression is progression. And if people would just relax and be who and what they are in honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating the Free Will of others, that this is a more pure form of being than doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just BE, not want... just BE?

A: Yes, but STS does not do that.

 

[Fluffy]

that was the C’s comment I was referring to. Just being what you are while respecting freewill.
Yet in this world not many of us know what or who we are, and by design we must search for those answers, intentionally learn, seek, heal and anticipate an outcome to fulfill the duty to the self to find what it’s is to BE authenticity and honestly ourselves. We must serve ourselves first so then we can serve others, so it seems.

 

[Ricardo]

I like the keep it simple principle so , i'll add, meet love with love , as for suffering the tradition is a tool for human liberation , so suffering is meant to be used as same, not in anticipation / expectation of change , or rewards or whatever else , since in 3rd that's a given , this also means no confluence with it , but doing thus opens up learning possibilities , and implied therein growth and change. ( fwiiw /blah )

 

[Wandering Star]

Now I’m getting confused. So how does conscious suffering fit into all of this? How do we consciously suffer without an objective or purpose, which would imply anticipation?

Choice.

Some people choose a situation that will require effort, sacrifice, and in many cases, suffering.

Consciously, that person chooses the path that entails suffering, since the other possibilities would only generate personal, totally selfish well-being.

Something very simple would be, for example, a situation in which our family is hungry and there is only food for two out of three people.

Perhaps someone would consciously choose to go hungry and let the other two people eat.