Am I the Bad Guy for Wanting a Revolution?

[c0rv3n]

That's exactly how it works, in a way. It's one big stupid system, and if people actually knew how stupid it actually is, then their souls would get smashed.

But civilization's problems are the things it has given itself. Why would you want to help "save" something that isn't yours in the first place, and is always mathematically doomed to fail? Just use your effort to survive and thrive with as little reliance on the system as possible, and raise your kids in ways that they want to explore and you know to be true. That's it.

Let your current bunch of super successful, professional, slum-lord, ga-gillionaire psychos tear each others throats out, don't get enlisted into their fights, ignore the calls to arms from the next bunch who come in, and be ready to beat-up those who criminally trespass on your residence that seek to harm you. It's all you can do, and in truth it's what you must do. Otherwise the whole cycle will just start anew, books will be burned, kids will get brainwashed, and no one will know any better.

It's why the C's recommendations on STO candidature are simple, and rather sparse. They point you in the way, that gets you to a higher vantage point, such that you can see the error in every-"thing" that is by systemic-definition 3D STS.

I get that, I see all the errors and the BS. I wish I could do more to help, but I know I can't. The frustration is real. And I guess... this is where you let go.

 

[Joe]

Thanks @Joe I think I became identified with all the bad s***t happening in the world, need to stop doing that, I just need to figure out how. This reminds me of Seneca, he said pain is temporary but suffering is a choice, meaning, we spend so much time worried about bad things, hence choosing suffering, oh crap, this is hard.

Yeah, it's not easy. One thing that helps, I think, is to get to the point where you realize that the particular outcome - the time-frame and the way it happens - that you are hoping for is probably not gonna happen. Then you realize that the reason you are getting increasingly angry or depressed or both, is because the outcome you are hoping for is based on too limited an understanding of the whole shebang.

Luckily, we don't have to go searching for that new understanding, at least not here, because we've already been given one that seems to fit pretty well.

It's not easy to reframe it and make it stick, it requires changing our beliefs about what is 'moral' and 'right', but that can be done with that broader and more 'cosmic' perspective. OSIT. Maybe it's like something that "Don Juan" said to Castaneda about the 'Seers' of old facing the "infinite with impunity" (or words to that effect).

 

[Ben]

No, I would -and maybe this will sound crazy but what the hell -put all the world "leaders" inside a cage and make them fight, a bare knuckle fight, no weapons, if they are still standing, then I would open a discussion session and ask them to open their eyes and see how their greediness and lust for power has taken a toll on all of us, make them see this is the only planet we got, all this energy lust is just bananas, we don't own anything, nothing is ours, I would ask them what is the point of trying to amass large quantities of money/resources and why? You bastards are not taking anything with you, when you die you die, that's it!!!

Might as well ask a crocodile to show more empathy towards their prey. Those people do what is in their nature to do. They also play an important role, even though we rightly detest them from our level. I'm not sure how much you know about psychopathy and political ponerology. It gives a sobering but essential perspective on this kind of thing. As Lobaczewski put it:

"Germs are not aware that they will be burned alive or buried deep in the ground along with the human body whose death they are causing." - Political Ponerology; p199

 

[c0rv3n]

Might as well ask a crocodile to show more empathy towards their prey. Those people do what is in their nature to do. They also play an important role, even though we rightly detest them from our level. I'm not sure how much you know about psychopathy and political ponerology. It gives a sobering but essential perspective on this kind of thing. As Lobaczewski put it:

Well I don't know much about it, a psychopath is a human predator, they see social bonds and morality as a system to be manipulated for their own gain, amusement, or sense of power, something like that, maybe that's not accurate but I see your point.
I do not know anything about political ponerology but I'll investigate about it, sounds intriguing, I guess there's a connection between these two and the current situation or something. Thanks!

 

[Wandering Star]

Don Juan" said to Castaneda about the 'Seers' of old facing the "infinite with impunity" (or words to that effect).

I think the phrase is:

The amazement at the infinite.

For me, the meaning of the phrase is not impunity, but not taking anything for granted or blocking the way of dealing with it.

We will always be surprised, and that surprise can, so to speak, shed light where it didn't seem possible to achieve it.

 

[nicklebleu]

I think the phrase is:

The amazement at the infinite.

No - it’s impunity - see below quote.

He explained that one of the greatest accomplishments of the seers of the Conquest was a construct he called the three-phase progression. By understanding the nature of man, they were able to reach the incontestable conclusion that if seers can hold their own in facing petty tyrants, they can certainly face the unknown with impunity, and then they can even stand the presence of the unknowable.

 

[Wandering Star]

No - it’s impunity - see below quote.

So, face the unknown with impunity.

Ok

 

[Wandering Star]

Maybe it's like something that "Don Juan" said to Castaneda about the 'Seers' of old facing the "infinite with impunity" (or words to that effect).

I was sure I had read the phrase "amazement at the infinite" in relation to Castaneda, the seers, and the tyrants of the Spanish conquest.

I still seem to see the phrase in my mind.

It would be another timeline.

My apologies Joe.

 

[Nienna]

I get the cycle/balance/imbalance stuff but I'm not sure if the universe will do something, I can only hope, right?

Can you see how what you posted there is thinking that you know better than the Universe/Cosmic Mind? When we think this way, we are putting ourselves on the same level as the Universe/Cosmic Mind thinking that we know better than it does. If we can see that there is a grander purpose to what's going on here on 3D Earth (which I guess is just another way of saying what Joe said), maybe it will help to not get so emotionally involved with wanting to "fix" it. Which we can't do anyway.

The Cs did say that in order to get back into balance, things will have to get much worse than they are. So while we wait for whatever is to come, Working on ourselves, gaining knowledge about all that we can and learning as much as we can from it is, at least for me, the best we can do.

 

[c0rv3n]

Can you see how what you posted there is thinking that you know better than the Universe/Cosmic Mind? When we think this way, we are putting ourselves on the same level as the Universe/Cosmic Mind thinking that we know better than it does. If we can see that there is a grander purpose to what's going on here on 3D Earth (which I guess is just another way of saying what Joe said), maybe it will help to not get so emotionally involved with wanting to "fix" it. Which we can't do anyway.

The Cs did say that in order to get back into balance, things will have to get much worse than they are. So while we wait for whatever is to come, Working on ourselves, gaining knowledge about all that we can and learning as much as we can from it is, at least for me, the best we can do.

Well, I mean, like Joe said, I became identified with all the 'bad mojo' happening in the world. It's impossible for me not to. I tried not to think about it, tried to focus on my spiritual growth, but sometimes it's too much for me.
I'm aware that the universe, the cosmic mind, has its way to prepare us and open our eyes—I really do. But the atmosphere feels heavy. All the sadness. And I just wonder when the universe is going to intervene somehow, you know? Not to change everything, but just to make things a little easier. Stop the extreme violence...

...and now I'm in a spiral of expecting, wishful thinking, and anticipation. Geeez! Well, at least I caught myself this time, like I said this is hard, dammit!!! LOL.

I still have a LOT to learn pppppffffffffff

I appreciate you taking the time to reply!!!

 

[Harr077]

Thanks for this thread
Again I am reminded of the great minds here (especially memories). Thankyou for taking time to write for us.
The quotes from Castaneda really resonated with me.
Not just “Reading” for knowledge!! Learning to understand and really digest what I’m reading is a work in progress and something I’ve lacked and working on…
Strangely, I’m reading “Diary of a Yogi” atm. and it talked about ashrams studying the Bhagava Gita by reading a passage more than once and then a meditation on the subject. Taking some time to get through…
We are all a work in progress, though with this in mind, I may need a few more lives to go re-read all those books I blasted through for what I thought was knowledge

 

[Nienna]

And I just wonder when the universe is going to intervene somehow, you know? Not to change everything, but just to make things a little easier. Stop the extreme violence...

Who said that the Universe was going to intervene? The Universe/Cosmic Mind is about balance. It prefers balance. Below are 3 sessions where balance is discussed. The Quorum has a lot to do with this according to the Cs.

Session 6 July 2024:

Q: (L) Okay. So you say the Quorum is meeting. Is that the Quorum you have spoken of in previous sessions?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) And where are they meeting?

A: 4D.

Q: (L) And is it unusual for them to meet? I mean, is that why you brought this up?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) When was the last time they met?

A: 40 years ago.

Q: (L) Was that 40 years, or did I miss a number? Was it 40?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) 40 years ago was when?

(Joe) 1984.

Q: (L) 1984. Uh-oh, argh! [Laughter]

(Joe) What are they meeting to discuss or decide?

A: Future of Earth.

Q: (L) Is it a good thing they're meeting, or a bad thing?

A: Depends on perspective.

Q: (L) Okay. Is it a good thing from our perspective?

A: Probably not.

Q: (L) Does it mean that from our perspective they're going to effect, or make some nefarious plans in the direction of greater control of human beings?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is it because there is too much resistance against the increasing control, or not enough?

A: Not enough for balance.

Q: (L) So, based on things you've said in the past, does that mean there needs to be more suffering so that more people wake up?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Well, swell!

(Joe) So the meeting that they're having, the decision that they're coming to will determine the future of Earth in a definitive way, or is it just another step?

A: Not as you suggest, no.

Q: (Gaby) It's more about the future of humanity...

(Joe) Or the future trajectory, or the next step in the...

A: There needs to be balance.

Q: (Joe) There needs to be balance, but they said there's not enough resistance from people, right?

(Chu) Yeah.

(Joe) And there's not enough resistance for balance. And there needs to be balance. So...

(L) They need to make more resistance.

(Joe) Well, these people aren't intending to produce more resistance. They're probably intending to create more control, but by trying to do that, they'll provoke more resistance.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So the controls may get tighter.

(Joe) And then people will rebel more.

(L) Well, swell! There went my retirement!

Session 17 August 2024

(seek10) One quick question, Laura. Is it the good guys in the Quorum who intervened?

A: Not the right concept.

Q: (Niall) Yeah. Remember the Quorum thinks in terms of... it's not good or bad per se, it's what will work. And remember they were thinking of resistance and balance as well. If they were going to off Trump, when there's so much support for him, at least some among them realize that's a breach, that's going too far.

(L) It's like Ra said, you know? If they go against the free will of humanity, STS gets degaussed.

(Joe) There's blowback.

(L) Yeah, serious blowback.

(Joe) Because in one of the last sessions, when talking about the Quorum and program changes, they said that the Quorum was meeting to affect changes, to produce more control. And we discussed it. But that control would lead to more resistance because more balance is needed. So it brings in the question of whether these people in the Quorum are aware of the broader scale of things.

(L) They might have lost control completely, if they had actually succeeded.

(Joe) Right. And they're aware of the broader dynamics involved and how balance is needed. But you know... because it is weird, they're planning to create resistance by introducing some kind of pandemic or some things that are going to make people suffer...

(Andromeda) Some sort of extra control...

(Joe) ...that will cause resistance. And that creates more balance, right? So it's almost like the idea of people who are intending evil but doing good.

(Andromeda) Right.

(Joe) But they're aware of that as well, at the same time. So it's probably kind of high-level stuff. And it's not so simple.

(L) It's a way of thinking that we don't... we hardly can fathom.

(Joe) It's big picture thinking, you know?

Session 19 October 2024

(Joe) So going back many years, the Cs have on many occasions said, "Sit back and enjoy the show." Do you remember that, yeah?

(L) Oh yeah! More than once.

(Joe) More than once, and sometimes just at the end of the session, or whatever. So given the kind of stuff that's going on in the planet right now, which isn't very pleasant, particularly in some parts, and with predictions that it could get worse... You know, Pierre just mentioned something along those lines, and they've said that many will not survive and stuff, that there needs to be a cleansing, etcetera... In what context would we have to view all of what's going on now, what may yet come, in order for us to enjoy that kind of a show?

(L) Enjoy?!

(Joe) Yeah, I mean, they said it so many times that it must be that "enjoy" means something slightly different from the literal 3D interpretation of it.

(L) Yeah, how can we enjoy all this horrible...

(Joe) We've been having a discussion about it on the forum ("Enjoying The Show" As The World Burns) and have pretty much come up with what we think would be the answer, but I'm just wondering if there's something else.

A: The point was to convey the cosmic nature of the spectacle and to remind all of you that you are NOT your body!

Q: (L) I'd say that they wanted that underlined.

(Niall) Yeah.

(Joe) Because there's still the element of suffering, which is more than just body suffering. The people who are suffering right now,

(L) Well, I think a lot of us suffer just from knowing what's going on. I mean, you suffer in your heart.

(Joe) As well. That's apart from the people who are actually suffering. So we have the cosmology that you're not your body and it's part of a grand plan, and all those different things, but it still makes it difficult to enjoy.

(L) I think that what they just said, it was their point to remind us. So you don't really think that we'll actually enjoy it?

A: No, who could? But you have a larger perspective that it is all happening for a reason. To restore balance. Think of it in terms of the legendary battle between Ahriman and Ahura Mazda of Zoroaster. Though it is not as simple as depicted there. Close enough for horseshoes.

Q: (L) Is everybody familiar with the story of Ahriman and Ahura Mazda from the Zoroastrian cosmology? Do you want me to tell you? Well, the thing is, is that basically Ahriman and Ahura Mazda, being more or less equal, came to an agreement that each would have domination over the Earth for a certain period of time.

(Andromeda) 2,600 years or something?

(L) Yeah, something like 9,000 years or whatever, or 3,000 or whatever. I don't remember. I'd have to look it up again. And then they would switch back and forth. There would be periods where Ahura Mazda was in charge of the Earth and things would be kind of STO, so to speak. And then during the periods when Ahriman was in charge, everything would be just spiraling down into horror. And supposedly Ahriman declared that he would ultimately win, and Ahura Mazda declared that he would ultimately win. And of course the Zoroastrians were convinced that Ahura Mazda would ultimately win, but you got the feeling that there was not really...

(Andromeda) Any real winner in that contest...

(L) Yeah, that maybe it wasn't like the Zoroastrians thought, which was that it would be ultimately the win of Ahura Mazda and that everything would be perfect, beauty and light and rainbows, and unicorns and stuff. But that was just simply the cosmic factor of things cycling around. And that means that what we are in the midst of, is we are in the midst of the getting of balance again, because things have gotten so bad, so corrupt, gone so wrong that it will take a cleansing just to set things right again. Because I mean, think about some of those libtard people. Do you think they could be reprogrammed to be sensible? Anybody? I mean, does anybody think that? No.

(T.C.) Actually yes, because I think if they hear on the media to act a different way, they're going to act a different way. But that's just me, maybe I'm wrong.

(L) I don't think they can be reprogrammed. I think that they're... oh, it's just such a horrible situation! Anyway, some of them can, surely, but I think that there's some hardcore ones that just can't. Okay, next question.

I don't know if those excerpts will help you, but I thought that, maybe, it would help in understanding of what the Cs say is going on with all of this suffering.

fwiw

 

[Alma.Innovadora]

Am I just supposed to turn away and think about rainbows, unicorns, and how beautiful ladybugs are? Is that really it?

There comes a point when yes, it's better to think about unicorns so as not to explode emotionally. Put more productively, "deciding" to be in "peace/control" in the face of "adversity." Especially if it's something that doesn't depend on us.

The world cannot be beautiful only when we have only pleasant experiences and horrible when it offers us the opposite.