Am I the Bad Guy for Wanting a Revolution?

[c0rv3n]

That's exactly how it works, in a way. It's one big stupid system, and if people actually knew how stupid it actually is, then their souls would get smashed.

But civilization's problems are the things it has given itself. Why would you want to help "save" something that isn't yours in the first place, and is always mathematically doomed to fail? Just use your effort to survive and thrive with as little reliance on the system as possible, and raise your kids in ways that they want to explore and you know to be true. That's it.

Let your current bunch of super successful, professional, slum-lord, ga-gillionaire psychos tear each others throats out, don't get enlisted into their fights, ignore the calls to arms from the next bunch who come in, and be ready to beat-up those who criminally trespass on your residence that seek to harm you. It's all you can do, and in truth it's what you must do. Otherwise the whole cycle will just start anew, books will be burned, kids will get brainwashed, and no one will know any better.

It's why the C's recommendations on STO candidature are simple, and rather sparse. They point you in the way, that gets you to a higher vantage point, such that you can see the error in every-"thing" that is by systemic-definition 3D STS.

I get that, I see all the errors and the BS. I wish I could do more to help, but I know I can't. The frustration is real. And I guess... this is where you let go.

 

[Joe]

Thanks @Joe I think I became identified with all the bad s***t happening in the world, need to stop doing that, I just need to figure out how. This reminds me of Seneca, he said pain is temporary but suffering is a choice, meaning, we spend so much time worried about bad things, hence choosing suffering, oh crap, this is hard.

Yeah, it's not easy. One thing that helps, I think, is to get to the point where you realize that the particular outcome - the time-frame and the way it happens - that you are hoping for is probably not gonna happen. Then you realize that the reason you are getting increasingly angry or depressed or both, is because the outcome you are hoping for is based on too limited an understanding of the whole shebang.

Luckily, we don't have to go searching for that new understanding, at least not here, because we've already been given one that seems to fit pretty well.

It's not easy to reframe it and make it stick, it requires changing our beliefs about what is 'moral' and 'right', but that can be done with that broader and more 'cosmic' perspective. OSIT. Maybe it's like something that "Don Juan" said to Castaneda about the 'Seers' of old facing the "infinite with impunity" (or words to that effect).

 

[Ben]

No, I would -and maybe this will sound crazy but what the hell -put all the world "leaders" inside a cage and make them fight, a bare knuckle fight, no weapons, if they are still standing, then I would open a discussion session and ask them to open their eyes and see how their greediness and lust for power has taken a toll on all of us, make them see this is the only planet we got, all this energy lust is just bananas, we don't own anything, nothing is ours, I would ask them what is the point of trying to amass large quantities of money/resources and why? You bastards are not taking anything with you, when you die you die, that's it!!!

Might as well ask a crocodile to show more empathy towards their prey. Those people do what is in their nature to do. They also play an important role, even though we rightly detest them from our level. I'm not sure how much you know about psychopathy and political ponerology. It gives a sobering but essential perspective on this kind of thing. As Lobaczewski put it:

"Germs are not aware that they will be burned alive or buried deep in the ground along with the human body whose death they are causing." - Political Ponerology; p199

 

[c0rv3n]

Might as well ask a crocodile to show more empathy towards their prey. Those people do what is in their nature to do. They also play an important role, even though we rightly detest them from our level. I'm not sure how much you know about psychopathy and political ponerology. It gives a sobering but essential perspective on this kind of thing. As Lobaczewski put it:

Well I don't know much about it, a psychopath is a human predator, they see social bonds and morality as a system to be manipulated for their own gain, amusement, or sense of power, something like that, maybe that's not accurate but I see your point.
I do not know anything about political ponerology but I'll investigate about it, sounds intriguing, I guess there's a connection between these two and the current situation or something. Thanks!

 

[Wandering Star]

Don Juan" said to Castaneda about the 'Seers' of old facing the "infinite with impunity" (or words to that effect).

I think the phrase is:

The amazement at the infinite.

For me, the meaning of the phrase is not impunity, but not taking anything for granted or blocking the way of dealing with it.

We will always be surprised, and that surprise can, so to speak, shed light where it didn't seem possible to achieve it.

 

[nicklebleu]

I think the phrase is:

The amazement at the infinite.

No - it’s impunity - see below quote.

He explained that one of the greatest accomplishments of the seers of the Conquest was a construct he called the three-phase progression. By understanding the nature of man, they were able to reach the incontestable conclusion that if seers can hold their own in facing petty tyrants, they can certainly face the unknown with impunity, and then they can even stand the presence of the unknowable.

 

[Wandering Star]

No - it’s impunity - see below quote.

So, face the unknown with impunity.

Ok

 

[Wandering Star]

Maybe it's like something that "Don Juan" said to Castaneda about the 'Seers' of old facing the "infinite with impunity" (or words to that effect).

I was sure I had read the phrase "amazement at the infinite" in relation to Castaneda, the seers, and the tyrants of the Spanish conquest.

I still seem to see the phrase in my mind.

It would be another timeline.

My apologies Joe.

 

[Nienna]

I get the cycle/balance/imbalance stuff but I'm not sure if the universe will do something, I can only hope, right?

Can you see how what you posted there is thinking that you know better than the Universe/Cosmic Mind? When we think this way, we are putting ourselves on the same level as the Universe/Cosmic Mind thinking that we know better than it does. If we can see that there is a grander purpose to what's going on here on 3D Earth (which I guess is just another way of saying what Joe said), maybe it will help to not get so emotionally involved with wanting to "fix" it. Which we can't do anyway.

The Cs did say that in order to get back into balance, things will have to get much worse than they are. So while we wait for whatever is to come, Working on ourselves, gaining knowledge about all that we can and learning as much as we can from it is, at least for me, the best we can do.

 

[c0rv3n]

Can you see how what you posted there is thinking that you know better than the Universe/Cosmic Mind? When we think this way, we are putting ourselves on the same level as the Universe/Cosmic Mind thinking that we know better than it does. If we can see that there is a grander purpose to what's going on here on 3D Earth (which I guess is just another way of saying what Joe said), maybe it will help to not get so emotionally involved with wanting to "fix" it. Which we can't do anyway.

The Cs did say that in order to get back into balance, things will have to get much worse than they are. So while we wait for whatever is to come, Working on ourselves, gaining knowledge about all that we can and learning as much as we can from it is, at least for me, the best we can do.

Well, I mean, like Joe said, I became identified with all the 'bad mojo' happening in the world. It's impossible for me not to. I tried not to think about it, tried to focus on my spiritual growth, but sometimes it's too much for me.
I'm aware that the universe, the cosmic mind, has its way to prepare us and open our eyes—I really do. But the atmosphere feels heavy. All the sadness. And I just wonder when the universe is going to intervene somehow, you know? Not to change everything, but just to make things a little easier. Stop the extreme violence...

...and now I'm in a spiral of expecting, wishful thinking, and anticipation. Geeez! Well, at least I caught myself this time, like I said this is hard, dammit!!! LOL.

I still have a LOT to learn pppppffffffffff

I appreciate you taking the time to reply!!!

 

[Harr077]

Thanks for this thread
Again I am reminded of the great minds here (especially memories). Thankyou for taking time to write for us.
The quotes from Castaneda really resonated with me.
Not just “Reading” for knowledge!! Learning to understand and really digest what I’m reading is a work in progress and something I’ve lacked and working on…
Strangely, I’m reading “Diary of a Yogi” atm. and it talked about ashrams studying the Bhagava Gita by reading a passage more than once and then a meditation on the subject. Taking some time to get through…
We are all a work in progress, though with this in mind, I may need a few more lives to go re-read all those books I blasted through for what I thought was knowledge