Q: (L) Anything else anybody wants to ask about that before we change topics? Everybody here is waiting for the change of topic... Okay, I've been going over all of the early sessions, and I noticed that I had a particular obsession with the topic of Jesus during the first year at the very least, 1994, because of my particular religious upbringing and background and so forth. And I had a lot of energy invested in - not just a lot of energy, but a lot of emotion - so, I'm reading back over these previous answers we received on the topic of Jesus, and I would like to ask if, in fact, Julius Caesar is Jesus, or was the model for Jesus, why were you giving me answers that sometimes could have been applied to Caesar, but other times could not?
A: You would not have been able to receive. When you ask a question with strong prejudice, we cannot violate your will to believe.
Q: (L) I think we asked about Caesar... Didn't we also ask if there was somebody also in Palestine who was...
(Perceval) Was there even a real person that played any part in the creation of the Jesus Story.
(L) And what did they say at that time?
(Perceval) There was someone.
(Pierre) An unknown person.
(L) So, was there someone, because on one occasion I asked about what Jesus looked like, and you gave a description which obviously... And I think I prefaced it "Jesus of Nazareth" or "Jesus in Palestine"... I mean, I put all kinds of qualifiers around my questions at the time.
(Perceval) And the answer you got was...
(L) Yeah, what I got was GIGO: Garbage In, Garbage Out. I mean, what do you expect? But was that description... [laughs] I don't even know why I need to ask! Was that individual related in some way to the story, the one that was described who was a carpenter?
A: A stoic philosopher of local fame now long forgotten except for minor contribution to the Jesus legend.
Q: (L) So, a person who is really wrapped up in a belief about Jesus could be asking questions about Jesus, this guy who was in this particular area and did whatever, and the answers could come up about that individual, but in the larger scheme of things, the real model was Caesar?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Okay. The other question is: You once talked about Jesus being in a state of hyperconsciousness, the soul-replicating thing and people talking to him, and so on and so forth. Does that have anything to do with Caesar?
A: Indeed it does!
Q: (L) Okay, so... Hmm.
(Perceval) Can I asked a question?
(L) Yeah.
(Perceval) Was Caesar... What I kind of wanted to ask is: Was Caesar of the kind of quality of soul that people kind of ascribe to Jesus in a certain sense, even though that's a myth? Was he a highly-evolved soul of kind of higher density or higher level, or higher nature?
A: That should come through even highly charged prejudicial tales.
Q: (L) Let me come back to that. I'm not quite ready for that yet. I want to ask one other question. When I asked the question about Jesus or something, and there was something about three days in a comatose state, 96 hours of clear-channel meditation, emergence, prophesying to his followers, and then ascending into a mother ship? WHERE did that come from??
A: You and Frank mostly.
Q: (Andromeda) Did anything similar to that happen?
(L) You want to know did anything similar to that take place with anybody, at any time?
A: No
Q: (L) So, Frank was onto the UFOs, and I was pretty determined that something remarkable must have happened. So between the two of us and our extremely strong invested beliefs, I don't see how anything else could have come through.
(Perceval) That story about Jesus coming to the cave, or being placed in a cave... That comes straight from your biblical...
(L) My biblical training! And the UFO, Frank was all about UFOs! [laughter]
(Perceval) Trance meditation, you were fairly into that at the time.
(L) So, it occurs to me that in terms of many of the transcripts, probably the best information is when we didn't have any beliefs or assumptions about anything at all. We were just asking out of pure curiosity.
A: Yes
Q: (L) Okay, well, I'm going to try to avoid having any beliefs or assumptions here about Caesar. [laughter]
(Mr. Scott) Try to ignore all the Caesar busts we have all over the house!
(Pierre) What about...?
(Mr. Scott) I was talking to the C's. [laughter]
(L) I would like to ask questions about Caesar's life.
(Perceval) Did Caesar exist? Let's start from the bottom! [laughter]
(L) Did Caesar really exist?
A: Yes
Q: (L) Alright! [laughter] Did Caesar exist pretty much as he has been depicted in the historical accounts, i.e. Cicero, and Sallust, and Suetonius, and the other guys, the historians and so forth?
A: Prejudicial and inability to recognize one of his caliber.
Q: (L) Well that's an answer you expect to get from me! I mean...
(Atriedes) Caliber, huh?
(L) Okay, well, let me... Okay, now... Caesar himself apparently penned The Gallic Wars. Textual studies do suggest that there has been SOME modification, but not a whole lot. It's very difficult to write in Caesar's style. Caesar's style is said to be the most impeccable and glorious writing that has ever been produced in the Latin language...
(Perceval) Can I ask an impartial question? [laughter]
(L) Yes?
(Perceval) Did Caesar write the Gallic Wars?
A: Yes.
(Perceval) Alright. Well, we've gotta get these basic concepts down first!
Q: (L) So anyhow, as I was saying, he wrote The Gallic Wars. In The Gallic Wars, it's really a conundrum, because you see this incredible shining spirit on the one hand, and then you read of these incredible acts of barbarity on the other hand. But the thing is, the only reports that we know of about most of what's in The Gallic Wars is what Caesar "wrote". So, let me ask...
(Pierre) Did he exaggerate the number of casualties to impress the people in Rome?
A: Not only! Others added to this later to increase the horror factor. Notice that his closest friend was a Gaul from Spain. Also notice the extraordinary honor in which he was held in Gaul for centuries after his death. Also notice the very fact that the legend of a great soul come down to earth!
Q: (L) What was the last sentence? [Review of answer and wonky last sentence] Was that last sentence incomplete?
A: Yes ...formed around him within days of his death!!
Q: (Atriedes) I have a question. Is Caesar also the inspiration for the Arthurian legend?
A: Yes.
Q: (Atriedes) And was him pulling the sword from the stone a reference to his sword, Crocea Mors?
(L) His what?
(Atriedes) Was the sword in the stone story a reference to Caesar's sword, Crocea Mors - the Yellow Death? Because it was made in Bronze...
(L) That was Caesar's sword?
(Atriedes) Yes.
(L) Says who?
(Atriedes) We sat down and read it together! There's a myth from Nennius about his sword getting stuck in his shield. The Yellow Death was its name.
A: Close.
Q: (L) So, I'd say it's close, but Nennius did something to it.
(Atriedes) Well, of course he did something to it.
