Is the Bible an occult book?

[Andrey]

I was roaming the net and came across a post saying that the Bible is an occult book.. that it is written in a language of symbols and that to read it literally is to miss its spirit. She said that the stories of Jesus are the stories of the soul's own journey through the stages of initiation from the manger to the resurrection. What do you guys think of this take? Is it true?

 

[Andrey]

She also said that the Old Testament is the outer veil of the Qabalah. She says that to the uninitiated it is a history of a nomadic tribe but to the initiate it is a symbolic map of the sephiroth describing the descent of divine energy into the world of form. Do you think this is true?

 

[Jtucker]

The Bible is a series of books that were written by many different authors over many centuries. Re-written and interpolated by later generations for their own purposes. The version we have today is the result of hundreds of editors, mis-translations and political agendas for hundreds of years.

There is no "one" message that ties all of those books together, other than the possibility of promoting the trap of monotheism through dogma.

Many of the early books in The Wave deal with specific sections of the Old Testament. What was going on in those Old Testament writings is very different than presented in current scripture. Laura's work and the C's sessions on that subject dig into many of the lost aspects that may have been intended in the original context for which they were written.

Reading, "From Paul To Mark", and carefully trying to understand the religious-political context of that time, is in my opinion, the best way to get a grasp on the meanings and events throughout the New Testament and how the ideas of the Old Testament contributed to the rise of Christianity and how it relates to our world today through Paul's message.

 

[palestine]

She also said that the Old Testament is the outer veil of the Qabalah. She says that to the uninitiated it is a history of a nomadic tribe but to the initiate it is a symbolic map of the sephiroth describing the descent of divine energy into the world of form. Do you think this is true?

Hello, can you post a link, please, if possible? I am studying some "historical" texts and I have been stumbling upon those precise elements. Thank you!

 

[Andrey]

Hello, can you post a link, please, if possible? I am studying some "historical" texts and I have been stumbling upon those precise elements. Thank you!

Sorry I cant find that post anymore. Try AI

 

[palestine]

Sorry I cant find that post anymore. Try AI

Thanks, if anything comes back to mind, would you let me know, please (was it on reddit, or a personal website? 4chan or else)?

 

[Nienna]

These types of things saying that there are codes in the Bible and that's what was meant for us to find has been going around for years and years. It's a bunch of horse hockey from those who have pattern recognition running amok.

As Jtucker said, read From Paul to Mark to see what the Bible was and is all about. All this "code" thing does is lead to more and more people being lead astray of just what the Bible is.

 

[808ravenflox]

Hi @Andrey

From my point of view, The Bible can sometimes reveal deeper meanings and information. However, most of the genuine data has deliberately been distorted by hyperdimensional STS factions, through the didactics and the eager for power of many controller agents of various religious movements, for millenniums.

The story of Christ walking on water, in my interpretation, could be a metaphor expressing that there does exist paths that can gradually lead someone who has chosen to endorse his shadow as well as his light, through the understanding of his own lessons, by transcending his memories of the soul and programmes, to a higher consciousness. In other words, Bernard de Montréal names that "le double cosmique" (Tr. the cosmic double) or "l'agent libre" (Tr. the free agent). Other sources of information may use other designations.

If my memory does not fail me, the Cassiopaeans said that Jesus was the representation of a hyperdimensional genetic project. Personally, the biggest lie in the story of The Bible would be that Christ is exclusive to a person. Whereas according to me, the deeper meaning would be that it can be found and arduously developed in every human being who is ready to accomplish his inner quest, in his own personal way. Bernard de Montréal said : "Dans chaque homme, il y a 7 frères." (Tr. In every man there are 7 brothers). In a way, how I understand his words is that someone who dares to reveals himself as a christ, is someone who has accepted and recognized his STS encipherments as well as unknown new genetic codes coming from higher consciousness centers, probably coming from 6th density STO. This brings me back to what the Cassiopaeans once said about the Ying-Yang symbol.

I once read somewhere : "There is 7 billions of humans on Earth, there could therefore exist 7 billions of ways to discover who you really are." I would hence suggest that Christ is not a personnification of someone, it would be the representation of a superior consciousness center, fully driven by Information and Spirit.

See you!

 

[Nienna]

If my memory does not fail me, the Cassiopaeans said that Jesus was the representation of a hyperdimensional genetic project.

Not exactly.

Session 22 July 1994

Q: (L) Was Jesus genetically engineered by Aliens as some channeled sources suggest?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Can you explain?
A: Too complex.
Q: (L) Was Mary a true virgin when she gave birth?
A: No.
Q: (L) Did she conceive in the normal way?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who did she have sex with?
A: Her husband.
Q: (L) Was Jesus genetically altered?
A: After - in childhood. Use computer.[10]
Q: (L) We tried it. It wasn't satisfactory. Was Jesus special, Christed as it is called, in any way?
A: Quick exalted - Yontar[11] - ancient wars - civil entrancement - Zindar council.
Q: (L) What is the Zindar Council?[12]
A: Two cycle exchangers mission.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: References vast. Use Laura Channel computer.[13] Must go.

But one must remember that in the beginning of the session there was a lot of strong biases on the part of the participants who really believed that there was a "Jesus" as noted in the Bible and those biases interfered with the transmissions and, also the Cs would choose not to go against their free will of their beliefs. Laura did realize this later:

Session 9 Jun 1996

Q: (L) D4's next question: what did Paul say during his out of body experience, and why were these things not 'lawful for a man to speak?'

A: Jesus said: "Give to Caesar that which is Caesars."

Q: (L) How does that apply to this question?

A: Ponder for learning.

Laura’s note: This last exchange above takes on an all-new meaning in light of the recent (2013) discoveries that point to Julius Caesar having been the real “Jesus”.

They go more into Caesar in the following along with Laura finding out why the Cs going along with her belief that Jesus was a real person.

Session 12 July 2014

Q: (L) Anything else anybody wants to ask about that before we change topics? Everybody here is waiting for the change of topic... Okay, I've been going over all of the early sessions, and I noticed that I had a particular obsession with the topic of Jesus during the first year at the very least, 1994, because of my particular religious upbringing and background and so forth. And I had a lot of energy invested in - not just a lot of energy, but a lot of emotion - so, I'm reading back over these previous answers we received on the topic of Jesus, and I would like to ask if, in fact, Julius Caesar is Jesus, or was the model for Jesus, why were you giving me answers that sometimes could have been applied to Caesar, but other times could not?

A: You would not have been able to receive. When you ask a question with strong prejudice, we cannot violate your will to believe.

Q: (L) I think we asked about Caesar... Didn't we also ask if there was somebody also in Palestine who was...

(Perceval) Was there even a real person that played any part in the creation of the Jesus Story.

(L) And what did they say at that time?

(Perceval) There was someone.

(Pierre) An unknown person.

(L) So, was there someone, because on one occasion I asked about what Jesus looked like, and you gave a description which obviously... And I think I prefaced it "Jesus of Nazareth" or "Jesus in Palestine"... I mean, I put all kinds of qualifiers around my questions at the time.

(Perceval) And the answer you got was...

(L) Yeah, what I got was GIGO: Garbage In, Garbage Out. I mean, what do you expect? But was that description... [laughs] I don't even know why I need to ask! Was that individual related in some way to the story, the one that was described who was a carpenter?

A: A stoic philosopher of local fame now long forgotten except for minor contribution to the Jesus legend.

Q: (L) So, a person who is really wrapped up in a belief about Jesus could be asking questions about Jesus, this guy who was in this particular area and did whatever, and the answers could come up about that individual, but in the larger scheme of things, the real model was Caesar?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay. The other question is: You once talked about Jesus being in a state of hyperconsciousness, the soul-replicating thing and people talking to him, and so on and so forth. Does that have anything to do with Caesar?

A: Indeed it does!

Q: (L) Okay, so... Hmm.

(Perceval) Can I asked a question?

(L) Yeah.

(Perceval) Was Caesar... What I kind of wanted to ask is: Was Caesar of the kind of quality of soul that people kind of ascribe to Jesus in a certain sense, even though that's a myth? Was he a highly-evolved soul of kind of higher density or higher level, or higher nature?

A: That should come through even highly charged prejudicial tales.

Q: (L) Let me come back to that. I'm not quite ready for that yet. I want to ask one other question. When I asked the question about Jesus or something, and there was something about three days in a comatose state, 96 hours of clear-channel meditation, emergence, prophesying to his followers, and then ascending into a mother ship? WHERE did that come from??

A: You and Frank mostly.

Q: (Andromeda) Did anything similar to that happen?

(L) You want to know did anything similar to that take place with anybody, at any time?

A: No

Q: (L) So, Frank was onto the UFOs, and I was pretty determined that something remarkable must have happened. So between the two of us and our extremely strong invested beliefs, I don't see how anything else could have come through.

(Perceval) That story about Jesus coming to the cave, or being placed in a cave... That comes straight from your biblical...

(L) My biblical training! And the UFO, Frank was all about UFOs! [laughter]

(Perceval) Trance meditation, you were fairly into that at the time.

(L) So, it occurs to me that in terms of many of the transcripts, probably the best information is when we didn't have any beliefs or assumptions about anything at all. We were just asking out of pure curiosity.

A: Yes

Q: (L) Okay, well, I'm going to try to avoid having any beliefs or assumptions here about Caesar. [laughter]

(Mr. Scott) Try to ignore all the Caesar busts we have all over the house!

(Pierre) What about...?

(Mr. Scott) I was talking to the C's. [laughter]

(L) I would like to ask questions about Caesar's life.

(Perceval) Did Caesar exist? Let's start from the bottom! [laughter]

(L) Did Caesar really exist?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Alright! [laughter] Did Caesar exist pretty much as he has been depicted in the historical accounts, i.e. Cicero, and Sallust, and Suetonius, and the other guys, the historians and so forth?

A: Prejudicial and inability to recognize one of his caliber.

Q: (L) Well that's an answer you expect to get from me! I mean...

(Atriedes) Caliber, huh?

(L) Okay, well, let me... Okay, now... Caesar himself apparently penned The Gallic Wars. Textual studies do suggest that there has been SOME modification, but not a whole lot. It's very difficult to write in Caesar's style. Caesar's style is said to be the most impeccable and glorious writing that has ever been produced in the Latin language...

(Perceval) Can I ask an impartial question? [laughter]

(L) Yes?

(Perceval) Did Caesar write the Gallic Wars?

A: Yes.

(Perceval) Alright. Well, we've gotta get these basic concepts down first!

Q: (L) So anyhow, as I was saying, he wrote The Gallic Wars. In The Gallic Wars, it's really a conundrum, because you see this incredible shining spirit on the one hand, and then you read of these incredible acts of barbarity on the other hand. But the thing is, the only reports that we know of about most of what's in The Gallic Wars is what Caesar "wrote". So, let me ask...

(Pierre) Did he exaggerate the number of casualties to impress the people in Rome?

A: Not only! Others added to this later to increase the horror factor. Notice that his closest friend was a Gaul from Spain. Also notice the extraordinary honor in which he was held in Gaul for centuries after his death. Also notice the very fact that the legend of a great soul come down to earth!

Q: (L) What was the last sentence? [Review of answer and wonky last sentence] Was that last sentence incomplete?

A: Yes ...formed around him within days of his death!!

Q: (Atriedes) I have a question. Is Caesar also the inspiration for the Arthurian legend?

A: Yes.

Q: (Atriedes) And was him pulling the sword from the stone a reference to his sword, Crocea Mors?

(L) His what?

(Atriedes) Was the sword in the stone story a reference to Caesar's sword, Crocea Mors - the Yellow Death? Because it was made in Bronze...

(L) That was Caesar's sword?

(Atriedes) Yes.

(L) Says who?

(Atriedes) We sat down and read it together! There's a myth from Nennius about his sword getting stuck in his shield. The Yellow Death was its name.

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, I'd say it's close, but Nennius did something to it.

(Atriedes) Well, of course he did something to it.

And what the Cs have said concerning the Bible.

Session 30 September 1994

A: Near. In that general area. The Bible is not entirely accurate.

Q: (L) When Jesus attended the marriage at Cana, whose wedding was it?

A: Did not happen.

Q: (L) Did Jesus feed thousands of people with a few loaves and fishes?

A: No.

Q: (L) Are you saying that all the miracles of the Bible are myths?

A: Remember this is corrupted information altered after the fact for purposes of political and economic gain and control.

 

[iamthatis]

In addition to From Paul to Mark, one can also read plenty about the Old Testament as a handbook for psychopathy. I first learned about its fraudulent origins in the MindMatters videos/SOTT articles featuring Russell Gmirkin. There are also good books like The Controversy of Zion and Guyenot's From Yaweh to Zion for lengthy commentaries on the effects of the OT on the world. So in a sense, yes - the OT part of the Bible is 'occult' in that it can be read as an instruction manual for channelling negative energies.

 

[Huila]

I was roaming the net and came across a post saying that the Bible is an occult book.. that it is written in a language of symbols and that to read it literally is to miss its spirit. She said that the stories of Jesus are the stories of the soul's own journey through the stages of initiation from the manger to the resurrection. What do you guys think of this take? Is it true?

It would be difficult to provide a comment on those works; without the material at hand to examine. One would also need to look at which books in particular does she draw such understanding from. According to what you have seen, read of that work what are your overall impressions of them?

There have been different people over the years that have examined the book of Revelation (as well as the events of the Armageddon). Each of them more or less arriving at the conclusion that the Book of Revelation is the revelation of the spirit (awakening) within an individual and the death of the carnal mind (view of ones life and the world). This was Edgar Cayce, Neville Goddard and William Donhue's understanding of Book of Revelation.


Neville Goddard on the Book of Revelation (with Discussion)

A Text Transcript of this Neville Goddard Talk.

...The word genesis means beginning; an apocalypse is the end—a complete unveiling of the purpose of the play...

...I can only tell you that God conceived the play. He not only conceived it and wrote all the parts, but he built all the scenery; and God and God alone is playing all the parts. His name is I AM. So you can say “I am”—that’s God. He’s playing that part that we call Mary or Jane or John, or by some other name. He’s playing that part. We are the incarnation of the tragedy and the glory of this divine play. We must not forget the glory in the tragedy. There’s more of the glory than of the tragedy, but when we are in that tragic state we tend to forget the glory...

...he speaks in Genesis of a serpent, which was the beginning of the exit from a state of bliss—and they speak of the serpent in Revelation. You might think, as I was taught to believe, it’s some horrible monster that in some strange way came into God’s picture, and it isn’t. There’s only God in this world...And that is life: an obstacle race. The opponent in this is God, and the being playing the part is God. And it’s called in the drama “the serpent.”

...in Isaiah 27 we are told, “We are called and redeemed one by one.” So redemption is not something that takes place as the world has been taught to believe, suddenly, where billions of us are suddenly brought to the end. No, the play is on and we are playing it, God is playing it, and we go through this horrible obstacle race. As Paul said in his final letter to Timothy, he said, “The time for my departure has come. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith” (2 Timothy 4:6). That’s what everyone has to do, fight the good fight, finish the race, and finish it only by the keeping of faith.

...but there’s something lacking and the one thing lacking is repentance. Repent. I know you’ve done it. In the midst of the horrible world you kept the faith alive to an extent, but you have not quite fulfilled the command to repent.

Now, to repent means a radical change of mind toward what you see in the world. Here is the obstacle race. It’s a horrible race that God set up to develop himself, to bring forth himself as you, as me, as every being in the world. And the only way we can go through it is to repent. To repent means a radical change of attitude toward life. It hasn’t a thing to do with remorse, with regret. I see you and you do not look as I would like you to look, and you, in a conversation, you tell me things are not going well. I am supposed at that very moment not to wait, at that moment to change you in my mind’s eye and to see you as you ought to be seen by yourself and by me, and remain loyal to that changed aspect relative to you.

...Teach the principle of repentance to the whole vast world. And the principle is this: When you see anything, beginning with yourself, and things are not as you would like them to be, assume that they are as they ought to be, and dare to live in the assumption as though it were true, just as though it were true. And then you go through this strange obstacle race quicker, easier, by repentance...

It’s a new world, a new kingdom; everything is new. No need even for a sun—you are light unto yourself. No need for anything you have here, not even for the sea. If there’s need for a sea, you’ll create a sea. For the whole vast world will be subject to your imaginative power. It’s all Imagination that’s playing this wonderful, wonderful drama. Divine Imagination creates it, Divine Imagination is playing it, and when he comes out, your wonderful human Imagination is Divine Imagination, creating everything, as it desires in this world.

'666'- ...The beast that opposes me happens to be myself. I am opposed by myself; for the number is the number of a man; it’s a human number.

...we are opposed only by ourselves. We have to overcome our beliefs in this world, no matter what we believe in. That I am unwanted in the world? I’ve got to overcome it. Not by hitting the one who thinks that I think he opposes me, no, I must overcome that belief in myself. That I am unwanted? I’ve got to feel I am the most wanted being in the world and not crush anyone who reflects my unwantedness. I will actually feel, in spite of that reflection, I am so wanted. When I look at the same being, he wants me, and he reflects the whole vast world.

Now, in this picture of the 666, I tell you it hasn’t a thing to do with any being outside of yourself. The whole vast world is the animal that opposes you, but it’s yourself. Because, “All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within, in your Imagination” and this world of mortality only reflects that which is taking place within you. But if you think you’re unwanted? All right, as long as you think you’re unwanted and you try to force the issue and break it down on the outside, you’re fighting the most horrible tyrant in the world. You’ve got to assume that you are the most wanted being in the world, that your contribution to the world is so great the whole vast world rushes to praise you. And when you live in this wonderful dream as though it were true, you produce whatever is necessary to make the world see it and praise you, regardless of where you are today. That’s how you overcome the beast.

...You’ll feel yourself lifted up, right through your skull. And you’ll feel yourself in the most glorious world where there is no sun. You are light unto yourself—there’s no need of a sun. You radiate light from your own being. You are luminous...

You walk by this sea of imperfection, and as you walk by they are all transformed into beauty. Those who are blind, they are made perfect. Those who are deaf begin to hear. Those who have lost their arms, arms come out of nowhere and the arms are returned, everything is returned, and everything is made perfect. And then you will understand the words, “And those I will call forward, the lame, the halt, and those whom I have afflicted I redeem” (Micah 4:6). Read it. I’ll call them all and those whom I have afflicted. Haven’t I afflicted in my world? Haven’t I fought with my shadow? Haven’t I seen someone who I thought was my opponent and fought with them? And haven’t I, in my own mind’s eye, whittled him down to a smaller state so that I could take advantage of him? So I have whittled down everyone in my journey, from the beginning to the end. So all that I have lamed and maimed and I have hurt, I’ll call them all and redeem them.

...For he tells us: To him that overcometh, I will let him sit with me on my throne, as I myself overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. So here is a form of overcoming. But he gives us the clue in the very beginning: we overcome by repentance and repentance is a radical change of attitude toward the world. Instead of thinking that “he” is opposing me, it’s because I felt myself inferior he rises in my world against me. I know it. I’m speaking from experience.

So Revelation tells us, “To him that overcometh.” I don’t overcome the other by hitting the shadow and destroying the shadow, for I am ever casting the shadow. If I destroy the shadow at this moment and remain where I am, I cast a similar shadow one moment later. And so, I may kill John, who offends me, well then, Peter will rise in my midst and reflect the same distortion in me that I hold of myself. So everyone has to simply change his own concept of self. As he changes the concept of himself, he changes the world in which he lives, and goes on overcoming, overcoming and overcoming until he comes whose right it is to rule, and it’s yourself.

...For without opposition not a thing could happen in this world. I couldn’t leave the platform unless I was opposed, the car couldn’t move unless opposed, the bird couldn’t fly unless opposed, the plane couldn’t take off unless opposed, the fish couldn’t swim unless opposed. Everything in this world must be opposed in order to move, so God sets up that opposition...

...Our playwright will show in some fifth act what this wild drama means.” And what you and I, completely awake, forming one body, will create tomorrow will put all this fabulous world into kindergarten. What we will do in our next creative power when we are awake will make it all look as though this was really kindergarten. And yet, we pass through it as though it’s the most horrible thing in the world. So take comfort, he who created all became you because he loved what he created when he created you, and he’s buried in you.

Now take the message of Revelation and practice the art of repentance.

Edgar Cayce's Amazing Interpretation of The Book Of Revelation

Edgar Cayce approaches the Revelation most closely to the traditional symbolic interpretation. But he saw beyond the symbolism of earthly matters, seeing the text filled with metaphors of mental and spiritual matters. In fact, Cayce teaches that the whole Bible is more than a historic record of humanity’s physical journey with God and with one another; it is also an allegory of metaphysical activities and influences. And as an allegory it contains hidden teachings, insights, lessons, and instructions concerning the origin, growth, and destiny of our nonphysical souls. And it is both a microcosmic view in which the story is very personal to each individual soul, and a macrocosmic view in which all souls are involved as a soul group

William Donhue - 306 Synagogue of Satan (Covering Revelation)

"Revelation is a book about the human body and the human mind. It has nothing to do with outside things. It's mystical. It's spiritual. And it's written in such a way as to hide it from those who would interpret it literally. Those who do not meditate will never be able to understand the book of Revelation. And of course, as you know, in all the years that you've been studying religion, the book of Revelation has revealed nothing to anybody. And the way that you can really tell that it hasn't revealed anything to anybody is because the ones who come on television and interpret it talk about a God who's going to destroy the world with bombs and Jesus going to come back in a hail of bullets and all of this nonsense when those are are symbols of really the Christ consciousness within you that rains down fire or spirit power to destroy the earth or destroy those things which are trying to destroy you the thoughts of the human mind...And I think you're going to for the first time in your life understand the book of Revelation as the only way it could be a love message from God to you, which has been totally missed by Christianity. Okay, we're going to start right at chapter one, the revelation of Jesus Christ to St. John. And that's the first thing you want to try to understand. This revelation is from Christ. In other words, it's a book of statements from that which is Jesus Christ, the Christ consciousness, talking to that which is within you, describing, letting you in on the truth, the real secrets of life and what life is about..."